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Daniel Kokotajlo

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Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

And why aren't they able to use their general intelligence to use this asymmetric advantage to some enormous capability overhang?

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Now, you could infer that same statement by saying, okay, well, once they do have that general intelligence, they will be able to use their asymmetric advantage to make all these enormous gains that humans are, in principle, less capable of, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

So basically, if you do subscribe to this view that AIs could do all these things if only they had general intelligence, you're going to be like, well, once we actually do get the AGI, it's actually going to be totally transformative because they will have all of human knowledge memorized and they can use that to make all these connections.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

You're so conservative, Daniel.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Look, your AI product works best when it has access to all of your client's information.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Your copilot needs your customer's entire code base, and your chatbot needs to access all of your client's documents.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

But for your users, this presents a massive security risk.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Your client's IT people are going to need more assurance to even consider your product.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Enterprise customers need secure auth, granular access controls, robust logging, and a lot more just to start with.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Building all these features from scratch is expensive, tough, and time-consuming.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

That's where my new sponsor, WorkOS, comes in.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

WorkOS is kind of like Stripe for enterprise features.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

They provide a set of APIs to quickly add all the capabilities so that your app, AI or otherwise, can become enterprise-ready and scale up market.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

They're powering top AI companies, including OpenAI, Cursor, Perplexity, and Anthropic, and hundreds more.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

If you want to learn more about making your app enterprise-ready, go to workos.com and just tell them that Dworkesh sent you.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

All right, back to Scott and Daniel.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

So if I look back at AI progress in the past, if we were back in, say, 2017,

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

Yeah, suppose we had these super home encoders in 2017.

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

The amount of progress we've made since then, so where we are currently in 2025, by when could we have had that instead?

Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model — Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo

That seems plausible to me.