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Daniel Okrent

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

When Sondheim was coming to dinner at Feinstein's house and asked if there was anything particularly that he would like at dinner, and Sondheim replied, according to Feinstein, vodka, vodka, and more vodka.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

And there are dozens of other incidents where the alcohol is so visibly a tool that he uses to make it through his work and, I think, through his life.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

In the late 1970s, his mother, known as Foxy, that was her nickname, wrote him a letter, the content of which he revealed in an interview with the New York Times in 1994, in which he said, Now, that's a kind of a powerful statement.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

And that kind of explains the, or at least measures the intensity of his negative feelings about his mother.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

And it's a story that he, from that point, told over and over and over again.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

All the Sondheads, as we sometimes are known as those people who really know everything about him or want to know everything about him, we all know this letter.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

He referred to it so frequently.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

I found, however, in the Mary Rogers papers, Mary Rogers was

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

his lifelong friend, daughter of Richard Rogers, he sent her what he said was a copy of the letter he had written to his mother.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

when he received that.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

And so a letter in which he says, I never want to have anything to do with you again.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

This is just the end of our relationship.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

But in that letter, which he represents to his oldest friend as the accurate version of the letter that he had sent in 1978, she doesn't say, I regret giving birth to you.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

She says, the only guilt I have is giving birth to you.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

And there's a mile of distance between guilt and regret.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

Oh, that's interesting.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

I go the opposite direction.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

I like your first version better.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

I don't see any evidence that she felt that she had unleashed a monster on the world, even in her bitterest expressions to him.

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Best Of: John Lithgow / Sondheim’s tumultuous life

Well, in fact, it is about his mother in a way.