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Dara Lind

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The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

And so I am surprised that there hasn't been more of a crackdown on, you know, excluding countries from the visa waiver program if they have a history of birth tourism, more aggressive interviews at consulates about like, gee, I noticed that this 90-day window, it seems like pretty definite. Are you really staying for the whole 90 days? Can you talk more about what you're doing during that time?

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

And so I am surprised that there hasn't been more of a crackdown on, you know, excluding countries from the visa waiver program if they have a history of birth tourism, more aggressive interviews at consulates about like, gee, I noticed that this 90-day window, it seems like pretty definite. Are you really staying for the whole 90 days? Can you talk more about what you're doing during that time?

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

And like, so that's, you know, I think what we're identifying is a policy problem. I like, I see where you are. I just think that it's reasonable to talk about like a solution on the scale of the problem. I take that point.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

And like, so that's, you know, I think what we're identifying is a policy problem. I like, I see where you are. I just think that it's reasonable to talk about like a solution on the scale of the problem. I take that point.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

I mean, it is the arbiters on how much Calvin Ball we're playing with constitutional law are the people in robes. And I agree with Matt that they would have to be playing a whole lot of Calvin Ball in order to side with the administration on this.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

I mean, it is the arbiters on how much Calvin Ball we're playing with constitutional law are the people in robes. And I agree with Matt that they would have to be playing a whole lot of Calvin Ball in order to side with the administration on this.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

But, you know, I think the other question here when we're talking about the kind of broad politics of how do we talk about unauthorized immigrants is that we have A wave of new arrivals of people primarily entering through the asylum system over the last decade.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

But, you know, I think the other question here when we're talking about the kind of broad politics of how do we talk about unauthorized immigrants is that we have A wave of new arrivals of people primarily entering through the asylum system over the last decade.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

The growing population of people with temporary protections such as TPS, such as these Biden parole programs, who are also more recent arrivals. And you still have the unauthorized immigrants that you had 10 years ago who have been here 10 years longer and who, for the most part, still haven't had any point of access into the immigration system.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

The growing population of people with temporary protections such as TPS, such as these Biden parole programs, who are also more recent arrivals. And you still have the unauthorized immigrants that you had 10 years ago who have been here 10 years longer and who, for the most part, still haven't had any point of access into the immigration system.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

And so as we've talked for the last 10 years about immigration as being a border asylum issue, you know, and I think Matt was calling this out years ago, that that like created political problems for Democrats because it – took a population that had been here for a long time and made them feel like they were being shunted aside in favor of more recent arrivals.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

And so as we've talked for the last 10 years about immigration as being a border asylum issue, you know, and I think Matt was calling this out years ago, that that like created political problems for Democrats because it – took a population that had been here for a long time and made them feel like they were being shunted aside in favor of more recent arrivals.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

But it also means that they're now in danger of getting lumped in as like invaders. And I think that the invasion, like the legal aspects of the invasion argument are really hard because they're primarily military and I'm not an expert in that.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

But it also means that they're now in danger of getting lumped in as like invaders. And I think that the invasion, like the legal aspects of the invasion argument are really hard because they're primarily military and I'm not an expert in that.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

It's odd. Can I step back a little bit? Because like... I think that one of the things that really strikes me going into this Trump administration as opposed to the first one is the first time around, it was very clear that Donald Trump was a politician without a constituency. He had not been made by anybody.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

It's odd. Can I step back a little bit? Because like... I think that one of the things that really strikes me going into this Trump administration as opposed to the first one is the first time around, it was very clear that Donald Trump was a politician without a constituency. He had not been made by anybody.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

And so there was nobody who was going to haul him into a room and say, we brought you here. If you don't listen to us, we will end you. And that made it much harder to predict what he would do. It made like The kind of White House intrigue stories of who he was listening to much more important because you couldn't use that standard political calculus.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

And so there was nobody who was going to haul him into a room and say, we brought you here. If you don't listen to us, we will end you. And that made it much harder to predict what he would do. It made like The kind of White House intrigue stories of who he was listening to much more important because you couldn't use that standard political calculus.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

This time around, he's coming in with what looks much more like a traditional political coalition with various people feeling they have claims on him, which includes both in this case, the like Musk and company industrialist policy, crony capitalist. It is very important for the government to affirmatively subsidize the things that we want.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

This time around, he's coming in with what looks much more like a traditional political coalition with various people feeling they have claims on him, which includes both in this case, the like Musk and company industrialist policy, crony capitalist. It is very important for the government to affirmatively subsidize the things that we want.