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Dara Lind

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The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

So, like, on the interior side, there's a very big shift toward both the kind of expanded legal authority and the expanded capacity, which you can't do immediately, but which they're building toward.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

So, like, on the interior side, there's a very big shift toward both the kind of expanded legal authority and the expanded capacity, which you can't do immediately, but which they're building toward.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

So as far as self-deportation, the immigration hawk theory of self-deportation has never really been about fear of deportation will lead people to self-deport. It's the inability to work is going to lead people to self-deport. And as far as that is concerned, there's a provision in these executive orders that says that the agencies shall ensure that no unauthorized immigrant has a work permit.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

So as far as self-deportation, the immigration hawk theory of self-deportation has never really been about fear of deportation will lead people to self-deport. It's the inability to work is going to lead people to self-deport. And as far as that is concerned, there's a provision in these executive orders that says that the agencies shall ensure that no unauthorized immigrant has a work permit.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

Now, that's actually not current regulation. Current regulation is if you have a pending application for asylum, for a green card, et cetera, and it's been pending for a you can apply for a work permit and work in the U.S. legally.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

Now, that's actually not current regulation. Current regulation is if you have a pending application for asylum, for a green card, et cetera, and it's been pending for a you can apply for a work permit and work in the U.S. legally.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

If they're going to change those regulations, that takes people who are currently working legally, puts them into the illegal labor pool, and potentially removes what would be an impetus for them to stay. So that's definitely something to watch for. And there's this noise about

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

If they're going to change those regulations, that takes people who are currently working legally, puts them into the illegal labor pool, and potentially removes what would be an impetus for them to stay. So that's definitely something to watch for. And there's this noise about

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

restricting all federal funding from any sanctuary jurisdiction, which was followed up with a memo sent by the Department of Justice to attorneys saying that they should investigate state and local officials who refuse to cooperate with the Trump administration.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

restricting all federal funding from any sanctuary jurisdiction, which was followed up with a memo sent by the Department of Justice to attorneys saying that they should investigate state and local officials who refuse to cooperate with the Trump administration.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

So the question of whether places that would be resistant are going to be bullied into cooperating and places that are enthusiastic are going to have the full support of the federal government behind them, if you do both of those things, then you really ramp up the ability to do this more frictionless thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

So the question of whether places that would be resistant are going to be bullied into cooperating and places that are enthusiastic are going to have the full support of the federal government behind them, if you do both of those things, then you really ramp up the ability to do this more frictionless thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

The extent to which E-Verify, and I was noticing this even under the first Trump term, like that it had just fallen out of the top tier of the list.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

The extent to which E-Verify, and I was noticing this even under the first Trump term, like that it had just fallen out of the top tier of the list.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

I mean, I think it's because the kind of Traditional immigration hawks, the Center for Immigration Studies folks who put together the intellectual framework of attrition through enforcement, which is what got called self-deportation, aren't the people who are running the show. They're a different flavor of immigration hawks who are much more concerned about cultural threat.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

I mean, I think it's because the kind of Traditional immigration hawks, the Center for Immigration Studies folks who put together the intellectual framework of attrition through enforcement, which is what got called self-deportation, aren't the people who are running the show. They're a different flavor of immigration hawks who are much more concerned about cultural threat.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

The Stephen Miller approach is what are all of the other parts of the U.S. code that we haven't been looking at that can be used? You know, there's a provision in here that cites a little used provision of U.S. law that says aliens have to register and says, OK, so the federal government's going to publicize that people have to register.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

The Stephen Miller approach is what are all of the other parts of the U.S. code that we haven't been looking at that can be used? You know, there's a provision in here that cites a little used provision of U.S. law that says aliens have to register and says, OK, so the federal government's going to publicize that people have to register.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

And then we have to do as much as possible to criminally enforce failure to register now. people who entered the U.S. without papers have not had an opportunity to register in many cases. And so there's a certain bit of paradox for like punishing people for failing to do something you never let them do. But it's that sort of thing. It's identifying unused tools.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

And then we have to do as much as possible to criminally enforce failure to register now. people who entered the U.S. without papers have not had an opportunity to register in many cases. And so there's a certain bit of paradox for like punishing people for failing to do something you never let them do. But it's that sort of thing. It's identifying unused tools.