Darby Saxbe

That kind of goes with the whole alloparenting idea.

We evolved to sort of know how to take care of each other.

And that could be through adoption, through step parenthood or through biological parenthood.

The more we can kind of empower men to participate fully in care, the more we can value care as something that isn't just the domain of one gender.

That requires some investment.

I think it requires really smart policy and it requires kind of cultural change, right, to kind of see men as natural caregivers.

I think it's interesting.

We're living in this era where it feels like there's a resurgence of neo-traditional gender roles.

The trad wife and the sort of breadwinner male.

To me, that runs a little counter to our evolutionary history, which is about flexibility and not about getting locked in to this is the job of moms and this is the job of dads.

So I really think that if we were a society that really valued the welfare of young kids, we would be a society that champions fathers.

Not to the exclusion of mothers, but fathers are really important for mothers' well-being too.

And we would be a society that really puts its resources into how do we nurture the next generation of humans.

Yeah, definitely.

The research is finding that when companies have parental leave, paternity leave,

It's good for retention.

It's good for employee well-being.

It's actually unfortunate, just in the last few weeks, there have been some headlines that some big companies are actually cutting their parental leave programs, sort of a cost-cutting thing.

But it's really good for worker loyalty and for worker productivity.

And then we have these international models where we have more generous leaves in other countries.