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Dario Amodei

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2714 total appearances

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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Seems very I mean, it's hard to predict things, but like it seems very logical that this would be true in the short run.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Now, in the longer run, maybe just the slightly longer run, robotics is advancing quickly.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And we shouldn't exclude that even without very powerful A.I.,

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

There are things being automated in the physical world.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

You know, if you've seen a Waymo or a Tesla recently, I think we're not that far from the world of self-driving cars.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And then I think AI itself will accelerate it because if you have these really smart brains, one of the things they're going to be smart at is how do you design better robots and how do you operate better robots?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

It was used to like plan and pilot the Mars rover.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And we've looked at like other robotics applications.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

We're not the only company that's doing it.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

You know, there are like different companies that are that are this is a general thing, not just something that we're doing.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

But we have generally found that while the complexity is higher, piloting a robot is it's not different in kind than playing a video game.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

It's different in complexity.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And we're starting to get to the point where we have that complexity.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Now, what is hard is the physical form of the robot handling the higher-stakes safety issues that happen with robots.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Like, you know, you don't want robots literally crushing people, right?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

That's the, like, oldest... We're against that, yes.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Oldest sci-fi trope in the book is, like, the robot crushes you.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Or you don't want the robot nanny dropping the baby, breaking the dishes.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

You know, there's a number of...

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

practical issues that will slow, you know, just like, you know, what you described in, you know, in the law and in human custom, that there are these kind of safety issues that will slow things down.