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Dario Amodei

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1816 total appearances

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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Yeah, so I think for a little background, before I worked in AI, before I worked in tech at all, I was a biologist.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

I first worked on computational neuroscience, and then I worked at Stanford Medical School on finding protein biomarkers for cancer, on trying to improve diagnostics and curing cancer.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And one of the observations that I most had when I worked in that field was the incredible complexity of it.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

You know, each protein has a level localized within each cell.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

It's not enough to measure the level within the body, the level within each cell.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

You have to measure the level in a particular part of the cell and the other proteins that it's interacting with or complexing with.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And I had the sense of, man, this is too complicated for humans.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

We're making progress on all these problems of biology and medicine, but we're making progress relatively slowly.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And so what drew me to the field of AI was this idea that, you know, could we make progress more quickly?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

We've been trying to apply AI and machine learning techniques to biology for a long time.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Typically, they've been for analyzing data.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

But as AI gets really powerful, I think we should actually think about it differently.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

We should think of AI as doing

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

you know, doing the job of the biologist, right?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Doing the whole thing from end to end.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And part of that involves proposing experiments, coming up with new techniques.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

I have this section where I say, look, a lot of the progress in biology has been driven by this relatively small number of insights that lets us measure or get at or intervene in the stuff that's really small.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

You look at a lot of these techniques, they're invented very much as a matter of serendipity, right?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

CRISPR, which is one of these gene editing technologies, was invented because someone went to a lecture on the bacterial immune system and connected that to the work they were doing on gene therapy.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And that connection could have been made 30 years ago.