Dario Amodei

We could enter a world where growth is really easy, and it's kind of the distribution that's hard because it's happening so fast, right?

The pie is being increased so fast.

And I talk about that in the other episode.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, absolutely.

So yeah, I mean, machines of loving grace, I kind of like, you know, I'm just like,

Let's dream.

Let's dream about how it could go well.

I don't know how likely it is, but we got we got to lay out a dream.

Let's try to make the dream happen.

So I think the positive version, you know, I don't I admit there that I don't know that the technology inherently favors liberty.

Right.

I think it inherently favors curing disease and it inherently favors economic growth.

But I worry like you that it may not inherently favor liberty.

But what I say there is, can we make it favor liberty?

Right.

Can we make the United States and other democracies get ahead in this technology?

You know, the United States has been technologically and militarily ahead, has meant that we have throw weight around the world through, you know, augmented by our alliances with other democracies.

And, you know, we've been able to shape a world that I think is better than the world would be if it were shaped by Russia or by China or by other authoritarian countries.

And so can we use our lead in AI to shape liberty around the world?

You know, there's obviously a lot of debates about how interventionist we should be, how we should wield that power.