Darren Shand

TV goes, don't look too good from up here.

So the next thing, the sideline official contacts the referee.

Who stops the game?

So my entire career, yeah.

I'm a, yeah, I'm a, like a, I'm a flatliner, you know.

Takes a lot to get me, yeah.

And so down, oh, son, looks like you're ready to get out there.

So I trot on out there.

Onto the field?

Onto the field, called out by the referee.

During the game?

During the game.

He stops the game.

Is this the first time you've ever been on the field during a test match?

Yeah, so I've been capped once, yeah.

256 tests.

I did manage to get on once.

is nigel owens right nigel owens is on there and look there was this is interesting because in the business that i do now i talk to audiences about who you are like in that moment under the most pressure who i was mattered more than anything and so like not one thing i did through my entire career was think that the referees the humans and that i'm probably the front door so i need to have a really you know honorable respectful an all-black standard relationship with them

Because I know in the background, I've got coaches constantly looking at how they perform and spending, in my opinion, an inordinate amount of time trying to understand them when it actually will make no difference.

So I walked out there.