Daryl Davis

I would have come pick you up.

You don't have to drive home, whatever.

And you and I would still be friends.

But if I call you and say, hey, man, you know, I got arrested for murder or for rape, you'd be like, why are you calling me?

You know, you're distancing.

So even though these people might have been friends with somebody who later became a white supremacist or whatever, the stigma of it, even now that they're out, you know, they still are a little leery and want to stay clear because you're judged by the company you keep.

So it's always, you know, ex-con, you know, blah, blah, blah.

Instead of just saying so-and-so is working here.

Right, exactly.

The tiger strikes the leopard.

But then why – if you're not going to forgive that person or that ideology, right –

then why do you want to fight it?

Why do you want to combat it?

Why not just accept it?

Because it's not going to change, or at least you're not going to change your attitude towards it.

Right.

Exactly.

I mean, you know, prison is a is a penal institution, not a reform institution, which is why this country has the highest recidivism rate of any country in the world.

Right.

People go in there and they don't get reformed and they learn from better people than they were at their crime.