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I missed that. Okay, I got you.
I missed that. Okay, I got you.
No, neither do I. You don't?
No, neither do I. You don't?
Oh, no, Marco. No, no, no.
Oh, no, Marco. No, no, no.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Buffeting or whatever.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Buffeting or whatever.
Oh, no. Marco, no.
Oh, no. Marco, no.
When did it go in?
When did it go in?
Oh, my gosh.
Oh, my gosh.
You guys didn't decide together? But you were the one who told me to leave. You said it would be better for both of us if I did that.
You guys didn't decide together? But you were the one who told me to leave. You said it would be better for both of us if I did that.
No, no, no, no. You brought that up to me. And I agreed.
No, no, no, no. You brought that up to me. And I agreed.
I'm going to take your word now? What?
I'm going to take your word now? What?
No, that she's shocked? I find it hard to believe that she's shocked.
No, that she's shocked? I find it hard to believe that she's shocked.
To his job? Yeah, yeah. Maybe you could have taken me out to dinner with your big race.
To his job? Yeah, yeah. Maybe you could have taken me out to dinner with your big race.
Oh, yes. I would love to come in and help you get more ahead. Oh, dang.
Oh, yes. I would love to come in and help you get more ahead. Oh, dang.
Somebody who puts a knife in my back. Sure.
Somebody who puts a knife in my back. Sure.
Maybe I should go in and talk to HR. You know, maybe let them know what we were doing.
Maybe I should go in and talk to HR. You know, maybe let them know what we were doing.
Yeah, you're gone. Oh, yes. You can call me Tom. Okay.
Yeah, you're gone. Oh, yes. You can call me Tom. Okay.
Well... I have a really awkward situation, and I really did want to do it on the radio, but I don't know what else to do.
Well... I have a really awkward situation, and I really did want to do it on the radio, but I don't know what else to do.
Well, what's going on? So not too long ago, I was at a company, and I ended up having a... a fling with one of my younger co-workers.
Well, what's going on? So not too long ago, I was at a company, and I ended up having a... a fling with one of my younger co-workers.
I was her boss.
I was her boss.
Yeah, and unlike Brooke, she liked me.
Yeah, and unlike Brooke, she liked me.
That's how it works. Yes, so we were keeping everything on the DL, keeping everything on the down low because, like you guys are saying, we could both get in trouble. But then we got to the point where we wanted to bring it out into the public, let everybody know, and stop sneaking around. I felt that way. She felt that way.
That's how it works. Yes, so we were keeping everything on the DL, keeping everything on the down low because, like you guys are saying, we could both get in trouble. But then we got to the point where we wanted to bring it out into the public, let everybody know, and stop sneaking around. I felt that way. She felt that way.
Yes. Oh, okay.
Yes. Oh, okay.
But we felt like if we did that, our coworkers would be really weirded out by it, especially if they find out how long it was going on before we told them. So we were talking, she gave me this idea. It's like, if we didn't work together, we wouldn't have a problem.
But we felt like if we did that, our coworkers would be really weirded out by it, especially if they find out how long it was going on before we told them. So we were talking, she gave me this idea. It's like, if we didn't work together, we wouldn't have a problem.
So I thought, yeah, she's right. And I thought, okay, what I'm going to do is I have more job experience. I could get a job here. more easily than she could. So I put in my notice and I quit.
So I thought, yeah, she's right. And I thought, okay, what I'm going to do is I have more job experience. I could get a job here. more easily than she could. So I put in my notice and I quit.
I was able to get another job, a little less money, but I did get another job.
I was able to get another job, a little less money, but I did get another job.
Well, so this is the part where it might not have been worth it because ever since I quit, the relationship's gone kind of cold. I mean, it was really hot and heavy for the first month, but now it seems like she's distancing herself from me.
Well, so this is the part where it might not have been worth it because ever since I quit, the relationship's gone kind of cold. I mean, it was really hot and heavy for the first month, but now it seems like she's distancing herself from me.
I have no idea because she won't respond to my text. She won't respond to my calls. No explanation. And meanwhile, I'm over here like, what the hell? I went and quit my job for you. And now I'm out in the cold.
I have no idea because she won't respond to my text. She won't respond to my calls. No explanation. And meanwhile, I'm over here like, what the hell? I went and quit my job for you. And now I'm out in the cold.
But the thing was, she was all for it when I said I was going to do it.
But the thing was, she was all for it when I said I was going to do it.
Well, that was to quote Adam Sandler. That's information I needed to know yesterday.
Well, that was to quote Adam Sandler. That's information I needed to know yesterday.
I don't have dementia. No, I know what's going on.
I don't have dementia. No, I know what's going on.
12 years.
12 years.
You have a lovely voice, Brooke.
You have a lovely voice, Brooke.
Oh.
Oh.
It's Dave. It's me, Dave.
It's Dave. It's me, Dave.
Wow. I wish you were a little more excited to hear from me because I haven't heard from you in a while. You know, I miss talking to you. I miss hearing your lovely voice.
Wow. I wish you were a little more excited to hear from me because I haven't heard from you in a while. You know, I miss talking to you. I miss hearing your lovely voice.
How are you doing?
How are you doing?
Well, funny you should ask. I'm calling to see how we're doing. Because you haven't answered my calls. You haven't answered my texts. And I literally quit my job so we could be together. So I just want to know what's going on.
Well, funny you should ask. I'm calling to see how we're doing. Because you haven't answered my calls. You haven't answered my texts. And I literally quit my job so we could be together. So I just want to know what's going on.
Well, I mean... I did it because you are just a fantastic person, and I think we were fantastic together. I've never been with somebody as beautiful and smart as you are.
Well, I mean... I did it because you are just a fantastic person, and I think we were fantastic together. I've never been with somebody as beautiful and smart as you are.
I mean, you know, if you're too uncomfortable to do this on the phone, I can come into the office. We can sit down. We can talk in person.
I mean, you know, if you're too uncomfortable to do this on the phone, I can come into the office. We can sit down. We can talk in person.
What do you mean the supervisor won't let me? I mean, I was pretty real like at that place.
What do you mean the supervisor won't let me? I mean, I was pretty real like at that place.
What kind of changes are you talking about? You're being a little vague here. What's going on over there?
What kind of changes are you talking about? You're being a little vague here. What's going on over there?
Oh, my God. Wait, what? You took my old job? I mean, I make a lot more money now and... Yeah, I'm sure you would because I know how much I made and I know how much you made.
Oh, my God. Wait, what? You took my old job? I mean, I make a lot more money now and... Yeah, I'm sure you would because I know how much I made and I know how much you made.
Don't congratulate her. I'm taking my job. Why? Did you plan on this? Is this why you got me to quit? So you could have my job? No.
Don't congratulate her. I'm taking my job. Why? Did you plan on this? Is this why you got me to quit? So you could have my job? No.
You guys didn't decide together? But you were the one who told me to leave. You said it would be better for both of us if I did that.
No, no, no, no. You brought that up to me. And I agreed.
I'm going to take your word now? What?
No, that she's shocked? I find it hard to believe that she's shocked.
To his job? Yeah, yeah. Maybe you could have taken me out to dinner with your big race.
Oh, yes. I would love to come in and help you get more ahead. Oh, dang.
Somebody who puts a knife in my back. Sure.
Maybe I should go in and talk to HR. You know, maybe let them know what we were doing.
Yeah, you're gone. Oh, yes. You can call me Tom. Okay.
Well... I have a really awkward situation, and I really did want to do it on the radio, but I don't know what else to do.
Well, what's going on? So not too long ago, I was at a company, and I ended up having a... a fling with one of my younger co-workers.
I was her boss.
Yeah, and unlike Brooke, she liked me.
That's how it works. Yes, so we were keeping everything on the DL, keeping everything on the down low because, like you guys are saying, we could both get in trouble. But then we got to the point where we wanted to bring it out into the public, let everybody know, and stop sneaking around. I felt that way. She felt that way.
Yes. Oh, okay.
But we felt like if we did that, our coworkers would be really weirded out by it, especially if they find out how long it was going on before we told them. So we were talking, she gave me this idea. It's like, if we didn't work together, we wouldn't have a problem.
So I thought, yeah, she's right. And I thought, okay, what I'm going to do is I have more job experience. I could get a job here. more easily than she could. So I put in my notice and I quit.
I was able to get another job, a little less money, but I did get another job.
Well, so this is the part where it might not have been worth it because ever since I quit, the relationship's gone kind of cold. I mean, it was really hot and heavy for the first month, but now it seems like she's distancing herself from me.
I have no idea because she won't respond to my text. She won't respond to my calls. No explanation. And meanwhile, I'm over here like, what the hell? I went and quit my job for you. And now I'm out in the cold.
But the thing was, she was all for it when I said I was going to do it.
Well, that was to quote Adam Sandler. That's information I needed to know yesterday.
I don't have dementia. No, I know what's going on.
12 years.
You have a lovely voice, Brooke.
Oh.
It's Dave. It's me, Dave.
Wow. I wish you were a little more excited to hear from me because I haven't heard from you in a while. You know, I miss talking to you. I miss hearing your lovely voice.
How are you doing?
Well, funny you should ask. I'm calling to see how we're doing. Because you haven't answered my calls. You haven't answered my texts. And I literally quit my job so we could be together. So I just want to know what's going on.
Well, I mean... I did it because you are just a fantastic person, and I think we were fantastic together. I've never been with somebody as beautiful and smart as you are.
I mean, you know, if you're too uncomfortable to do this on the phone, I can come into the office. We can sit down. We can talk in person.
What do you mean the supervisor won't let me? I mean, I was pretty real like at that place.
What kind of changes are you talking about? You're being a little vague here. What's going on over there?
Oh, my God. Wait, what? You took my old job? I mean, I make a lot more money now and... Yeah, I'm sure you would because I know how much I made and I know how much you made.
Don't congratulate her. I'm taking my job. Why? Did you plan on this? Is this why you got me to quit? So you could have my job? No.
And everybody was worried it was too dry, and then some is too wet. It's the old too wet, it's too dry, and I still want a free hat. Yeah. But, yeah, the equilibrium of just being – You know, we always love those rains that aren't, I remember you called me one day, Corey, he's like, this sucks, turn the damn water off, we're ready to go. Water's good, but too much of it was bad.
And everybody was worried it was too dry, and then some is too wet. It's the old too wet, it's too dry, and I still want a free hat. Yeah. But, yeah, the equilibrium of just being – You know, we always love those rains that aren't, I remember you called me one day, Corey, he's like, this sucks, turn the damn water off, we're ready to go. Water's good, but too much of it was bad.
There was a happy medium in the middle.
There was a happy medium in the middle.
How much of this is you just, as you said, dorking out on it? Or does it make any more money? So when I look at it, I don't have a whole lot more time. So I'm like, all right, what is everybody doing? What's the basics? And just do the basics. But we've got the opportunity to interview hundreds of people that all have a different way to make two more bushel, two more something.
How much of this is you just, as you said, dorking out on it? Or does it make any more money? So when I look at it, I don't have a whole lot more time. So I'm like, all right, what is everybody doing? What's the basics? And just do the basics. But we've got the opportunity to interview hundreds of people that all have a different way to make two more bushel, two more something.
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Is this you just really like the science of it?
Is this you just really like the science of it?
And you get the tax write-off for R&D. That's funny. That show's not out yet.
And you get the tax write-off for R&D. That's funny. That show's not out yet.
So you were thrown into this. It kind of sounds like when your father passed and you were going a different direction. Are you happy you went back this direction or are there other things you want to chase? Landscaping, marketing, something new?
So you were thrown into this. It kind of sounds like when your father passed and you were going a different direction. Are you happy you went back this direction or are there other things you want to chase? Landscaping, marketing, something new?
I think you just got to hit that time right because I think back to LaserDiscs. they were way more space than a CD or a Blu-ray or a DVD, but they might have been ahead of their time, and by the time we needed that much space, well, then direct downloads were there or SSD hard drives were there. That's in the technology space as an example of what that looks like. Even think of Redbox.
I think you just got to hit that time right because I think back to LaserDiscs. they were way more space than a CD or a Blu-ray or a DVD, but they might have been ahead of their time, and by the time we needed that much space, well, then direct downloads were there or SSD hard drives were there. That's in the technology space as an example of what that looks like. Even think of Redbox.
I mean, I remember thinking, like, It finally went down. Yeah, it finally went down. They had a vending machine. I'm like, who's going to do this and bring it back? And then it just kind of took off. But they pivoted, you know, and it's more Netflix-ish. And now look at Netflix. So they just happened to hit it right at the right time and know when to pivot.
I mean, I remember thinking, like, It finally went down. Yeah, it finally went down. They had a vending machine. I'm like, who's going to do this and bring it back? And then it just kind of took off. But they pivoted, you know, and it's more Netflix-ish. And now look at Netflix. So they just happened to hit it right at the right time and know when to pivot.
If I take you back to social media wise, there's not a lot of people on social media that show their mistakes. So we just talked about meat and then didn't pan out. We might have lost money, but we broke even maybe or something in that nature. Being first time farmer, I've tried to show some mistakes online because it's not all peaches and cream.
If I take you back to social media wise, there's not a lot of people on social media that show their mistakes. So we just talked about meat and then didn't pan out. We might have lost money, but we broke even maybe or something in that nature. Being first time farmer, I've tried to show some mistakes online because it's not all peaches and cream.
And nobody at the coffee shop says, oh, man, my yield is just, you know, I mean, they don't say that. What's the reception from the rest of the world if you posted some of this stuff? as far as failure. Yeah. Everybody loves like, okay, you got a hundred and you know, whatever bushel beans. Hey, that's fantastic. Oh great.
And nobody at the coffee shop says, oh, man, my yield is just, you know, I mean, they don't say that. What's the reception from the rest of the world if you posted some of this stuff? as far as failure. Yeah. Everybody loves like, okay, you got a hundred and you know, whatever bushel beans. Hey, that's fantastic. Oh great.
He's doing that over there, but nobody really says I'm going to lose 80 grand this year.
He's doing that over there, but nobody really says I'm going to lose 80 grand this year.
Well, this is a Farm for Fun episode without the drinks. So rather than talking crops the whole time, if you were an animal, what would you be?
Well, this is a Farm for Fun episode without the drinks. So rather than talking crops the whole time, if you were an animal, what would you be?
Join Corey. You boys want some popsicles?
Join Corey. You boys want some popsicles?
We should do it. We just set up a golf tournament at every farm show. Farm Progress this week. You guys could go to Farm Progress or come to our golf tournament. What's your handicap? Do you know?
We should do it. We just set up a golf tournament at every farm show. Farm Progress this week. You guys could go to Farm Progress or come to our golf tournament. What's your handicap? Do you know?
And I've always known you on social anyways. The short amount of times we've met is innovation. You know, always looking for the next idea. And I think that's kind of what spurred Constant Canopy, correct?
And I've always known you on social anyways. The short amount of times we've met is innovation. You know, always looking for the next idea. And I think that's kind of what spurred Constant Canopy, correct?
So we've been on a train. We've been on a plane. Been now on a trailer. In a hotel lobby and on a trailer on the flatbed.
So we've been on a train. We've been on a plane. Been now on a trailer. In a hotel lobby and on a trailer on the flatbed.
These Nebraskans are trying to get us Iowans to stay here because now we have no cell phone reception. Nobody's going to have any idea how to get out of here because you can't use your GPS on your phone. We are all in SOS mode, so we had to Morse code in order to get him to find us. the booth itself.
These Nebraskans are trying to get us Iowans to stay here because now we have no cell phone reception. Nobody's going to have any idea how to get out of here because you can't use your GPS on your phone. We are all in SOS mode, so we had to Morse code in order to get him to find us. the booth itself.
So that also means we don't have any music. Corey gets to do his intro without music.
So that also means we don't have any music. Corey gets to do his intro without music.
They look at you running a sprayer and it's a massive piece of equipment. Yeah. Yeah.
They look at you running a sprayer and it's a massive piece of equipment. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm going to be a big brother. Yeah. And then you'd be 10 years old, so you'd be in fifth grade. Yeah. You know a little bit more. My little brother, yeah. Same thing. Hey, I got another.
I'm going to be a big brother. Yeah. And then you'd be 10 years old, so you'd be in fifth grade. Yeah. You know a little bit more. My little brother, yeah. Same thing. Hey, I got another.
You didn't come out of Walmart with the brother. No. No, no, no. You came out of Walmart and got the call. That was CSI.
You didn't come out of Walmart with the brother. No. No, no, no. You came out of Walmart and got the call. That was CSI.
We hadn't kidnapped him yet.
We hadn't kidnapped him yet.
That's cool. Yeah. That's right, because she hates gravel.
That's cool. Yeah. That's right, because she hates gravel.
Everything about me just... Put it in the comment section.
Everything about me just... Put it in the comment section.
Also, apparently, pick on me. Yes. We do like to pick on Tanner. So now I'm ready. Oh, my God. I don't know why you're telling me you're ready.
Also, apparently, pick on me. Yes. We do like to pick on Tanner. So now I'm ready. Oh, my God. I don't know why you're telling me you're ready.
I want to know, why do people follow you? What's the big deal? That's a tough question. I don't know. Because you're millions, and you do it over and over and over again.
I want to know, why do people follow you? What's the big deal? That's a tough question. I don't know. Because you're millions, and you do it over and over and over again.
Yeah, exactly. Five years ago, the three of us probably wouldn't take comments the same way that we take them now. Yeah. Now we're calloused. Yeah. And we bring it on. Yeah. If you say whatever you want to say, great, thanks. This is helping the algorithm. Yeah. Keep coming at us. Awesome.
Yeah, exactly. Five years ago, the three of us probably wouldn't take comments the same way that we take them now. Yeah. Now we're calloused. Yeah. And we bring it on. Yeah. If you say whatever you want to say, great, thanks. This is helping the algorithm. Yeah. Keep coming at us. Awesome.
That is.
That is.
I mean, I love history podcasts, so, you know, a lot on the Oregon Trail. But then the Gold Rush is always fascinating to me, too. And there's two routes to get to the Klondike. And they were both deadly. It's just, did you want to die in the first two weeks, or did you want to die two months into it? It's kind of like... pick your poison, how you were going to get there.
I mean, I love history podcasts, so, you know, a lot on the Oregon Trail. But then the Gold Rush is always fascinating to me, too. And there's two routes to get to the Klondike. And they were both deadly. It's just, did you want to die in the first two weeks, or did you want to die two months into it? It's kind of like... pick your poison, how you were going to get there.
But then when you got there, you still weren't guaranteed to be leaving there as a gold, with pockets full of gold, and just the amount of balls that would have taken. Have you guys seen 1890?
But then when you got there, you still weren't guaranteed to be leaving there as a gold, with pockets full of gold, and just the amount of balls that would have taken. Have you guys seen 1890?
No, he watches after he's had three vodka Red Bulls at 1 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, you just go all day long. Yeah, and your heart's about to explode out of your chest. Ding dong. He's like, I have to watch something that makes me not hear my heart. Don't talk about vodka Red Bulls, dude.
No, he watches after he's had three vodka Red Bulls at 1 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, you just go all day long. Yeah, and your heart's about to explode out of your chest. Ding dong. He's like, I have to watch something that makes me not hear my heart. Don't talk about vodka Red Bulls, dude.
No sugar. We had ice cream before we went to bed Monday night when we got out here. And poor Corey never went to bed because that was just too much sugar. I just sat there and just had a bunch on my mind.
No sugar. We had ice cream before we went to bed Monday night when we got out here. And poor Corey never went to bed because that was just too much sugar. I just sat there and just had a bunch on my mind.
Oh, yeah. Oh, the ladder. The salmon ladder or whatever it is.
Oh, yeah. Oh, the ladder. The salmon ladder or whatever it is.
Yeah. Warped wall or whatever they call it. In jeans and dudes. And dudes, too. That's impressive.
Yeah. Warped wall or whatever they call it. In jeans and dudes. And dudes, too. That's impressive.
I usually slop around in dudes. I put them in four-wheel drive.
I usually slop around in dudes. I put them in four-wheel drive.
That's got to be one of the most injured track sports. I was going to say, we are all three not going to be able to walk into this place tomorrow. Yeah. If we try to pole vault tonight.
That's got to be one of the most injured track sports. I was going to say, we are all three not going to be able to walk into this place tomorrow. Yeah. If we try to pole vault tonight.
My jumping would be better with the pole vault. We'd have to go TikTok live and we'll just see who can do the high jump the highest. We just did it. TikTok live juggling.
My jumping would be better with the pole vault. We'd have to go TikTok live and we'll just see who can do the high jump the highest. We just did it. TikTok live juggling.
sounds like he's uh watched us before or listen listen to it that's right when we do it right yeah well maybe five actually now i've started putting it out at midnight oh yeah really and we get it's fascinating we'll get you know seven eight hundred people before five o'clock in the morning hell yeah that's when i answered every freaking email this morning alarm went off you guys showered i freaking went to business yeah dave still stinks
sounds like he's uh watched us before or listen listen to it that's right when we do it right yeah well maybe five actually now i've started putting it out at midnight oh yeah really and we get it's fascinating we'll get you know seven eight hundred people before five o'clock in the morning hell yeah that's when i answered every freaking email this morning alarm went off you guys showered i freaking went to business yeah dave still stinks
Yeah, it is. Okay. I'm very glad you got that right. Well, did you look at the sign out front when you pulled up? Uh-uh. Because I put you as TikTok's greatest farmer. That's pretty accurate. It's pretty close. It's pretty accurate. It's pretty close. But he says you're TikTok's favorite farmer.
Yeah, it is. Okay. I'm very glad you got that right. Well, did you look at the sign out front when you pulled up? Uh-uh. Because I put you as TikTok's greatest farmer. That's pretty accurate. It's pretty close. It's pretty accurate. It's pretty close. But he says you're TikTok's favorite farmer.
yeah yeah right from the fan i haven't showered yeah i haven't showered in two weeks it's great yeah you look you look fantastic dry shampoo must be dry shampoos it's working pretty nice yeah you you look like pig pen you can just see the little lines of stink coming off from charlie brown yeah has it grown for you like yeah obviously the worth in it yeah because it's it's weird when we say a podcast is a lot of work but it can be
yeah yeah right from the fan i haven't showered yeah i haven't showered in two weeks it's great yeah you look you look fantastic dry shampoo must be dry shampoos it's working pretty nice yeah you you look like pig pen you can just see the little lines of stink coming off from charlie brown yeah has it grown for you like yeah obviously the worth in it yeah because it's it's weird when we say a podcast is a lot of work but it can be
Try transferring off of three SD cards. Yeah.
Try transferring off of three SD cards. Yeah.
That's what I'm going to do, but I haven't done it yet. That's what I played a lot of Oregon Trail on was the old big Mac colored back.
That's what I'm going to do, but I haven't done it yet. That's what I played a lot of Oregon Trail on was the old big Mac colored back.
Man, we came a long way.
Man, we came a long way.
I forget. Well, I know there's like 17,000 pieces of artifacts on the shelf. I got some more stuff to bring in. These guys brought all their awards into the studio. Not all of them. If I brought them all in. If you think that's all of our awards.
I forget. Well, I know there's like 17,000 pieces of artifacts on the shelf. I got some more stuff to bring in. These guys brought all their awards into the studio. Not all of them. If I brought them all in. If you think that's all of our awards.
No, I just picked out the livestock ones. Uh-huh. Hmm. He says he's got athletic awards all over the place, but I just don't believe it. I gave them to the neighbor's kid. I bet you did. I did. I'll believe it. I did. His mom was pissed. So you live in the farmhouse by yourself or you got roommates?
No, I just picked out the livestock ones. Uh-huh. Hmm. He says he's got athletic awards all over the place, but I just don't believe it. I gave them to the neighbor's kid. I bet you did. I did. I'll believe it. I did. His mom was pissed. So you live in the farmhouse by yourself or you got roommates?
Well, thank God, because if you had roommates, you'd probably have them pull the stunt that Corey pulled on me this morning. We're staying at the Airbnb. Girls on the first floor, guys on the second floor, and it's got a bathroom and a futon and a bed, and then it's like a nook. You got a duck to go into the doorway, and then I'm sleeping on a trundle bed in the kids' toy room of this Airbnb.
Well, thank God, because if you had roommates, you'd probably have them pull the stunt that Corey pulled on me this morning. We're staying at the Airbnb. Girls on the first floor, guys on the second floor, and it's got a bathroom and a futon and a bed, and then it's like a nook. You got a duck to go into the doorway, and then I'm sleeping on a trundle bed in the kids' toy room of this Airbnb.
There's a fan to push all the air into this little nook. Right, because it's hot as balls the first night we got there. Turned the split unit. What do they call them? The AC unit? Mini split? Mini split. Turned that on, and I needed to get air into there. So there's a fan blowing air from the outside room. A series of fans. To another fan that blows it in there so I don't die when I sleep.
There's a fan to push all the air into this little nook. Right, because it's hot as balls the first night we got there. Turned the split unit. What do they call them? The AC unit? Mini split? Mini split. Turned that on, and I needed to get air into there. So there's a fan blowing air from the outside room. A series of fans. To another fan that blows it in there so I don't die when I sleep.
And you like it cold. Corey, I get up, take a shower this morning, go back in there, fill in my pockets, and I turn around to Corey with the fan to his ass, and he farts into the fan and fills the room.
And you like it cold. Corey, I get up, take a shower this morning, go back in there, fill in my pockets, and I turn around to Corey with the fan to his ass, and he farts into the fan and fills the room.
Ike ran out of the room. He started gagging. He did. And then I couldn't go back. I still wasn't done.
Ike ran out of the room. He started gagging. He did. And then I couldn't go back. I still wasn't done.
A 22-year-old grump. Yep. There's the next TikTok name. Well, you know, just a Jackson thing, he's 63 years old, and in a 9- or 10-year-old's body, you're just going to be 63 years old in a 22-year-old body.
A 22-year-old grump. Yep. There's the next TikTok name. Well, you know, just a Jackson thing, he's 63 years old, and in a 9- or 10-year-old's body, you're just going to be 63 years old in a 22-year-old body.
If we end up back at the John Deere Classic, we should see if we can get him to come over, too. Talk to the grounds crew there. That was fascinating.
If we end up back at the John Deere Classic, we should see if we can get him to come over, too. Talk to the grounds crew there. That was fascinating.
Meaning... He says best ball.
Meaning... He says best ball.
Whatever.
Whatever.
Golf courses go out of business, and he buys their crap. He buys their crap and puts it into his fleet. I'm in a group that's golf maintenance equipment for sale.
Golf courses go out of business, and he buys their crap. He buys their crap and puts it into his fleet. I'm in a group that's golf maintenance equipment for sale.
What, you want to play a game? Yeah. Okay. We're going to play start, bench, cut. So just like sports team, you've got three people that you have at tryouts. You're going to pick one to be your starter. You're going to pick one to put on your bench. And the one that's your least favorite, you're going to cut from the team. Understood. John Deere, Case, New Holland.
What, you want to play a game? Yeah. Okay. We're going to play start, bench, cut. So just like sports team, you've got three people that you have at tryouts. You're going to pick one to be your starter. You're going to pick one to put on your bench. And the one that's your least favorite, you're going to cut from the team. Understood. John Deere, Case, New Holland.
Okay. Isn't it mostly Deere?
Okay. Isn't it mostly Deere?
Yeah. I like him. I thought you were going to say some people mistake you for Steph Curry.
Yeah. I like him. I thought you were going to say some people mistake you for Steph Curry.
How many times have you been to Hawaii?
How many times have you been to Hawaii?
Really?
Really?
Now when you go back, find yourself a cute Hawaiian girl and ask her what it means. I'll have to ask what it means, yeah. But either way, I just wear it.
Now when you go back, find yourself a cute Hawaiian girl and ask her what it means. I'll have to ask what it means, yeah. But either way, I just wear it.
So out of the three of us, which one of the three of us do you think has tattoos? I'm going to go with you. You have no tattoos. I do not.
So out of the three of us, which one of the three of us do you think has tattoos? I'm going to go with you. You have no tattoos. I do not.
Yeah. How many? I just have one. I just have one. At the family crest on my shoulder. Oh, that's cool. On the back or front? On the back. Yeah. Sweet. Does that feel good? So it's seven colors. It was a four and a half hour setting. Yeah. It was pretty cool because I told every girl that I knew that it was happening and they could come watch it happen.
Yeah. How many? I just have one. I just have one. At the family crest on my shoulder. Oh, that's cool. On the back or front? On the back. Yeah. Sweet. Does that feel good? So it's seven colors. It was a four and a half hour setting. Yeah. It was pretty cool because I told every girl that I knew that it was happening and they could come watch it happen.
So I was just laying there face down on the table and everybody just feeling in, feeling out, bringing food, bringing something to drink.
So I was just laying there face down on the table and everybody just feeling in, feeling out, bringing food, bringing something to drink.
I go through phases with everything. I think we should fundraise and get to a certain level for some charity somewhere for Corey to get a tramp stamp. A tramp stamp. That would be funny. I should call it, sorry, we don't want to get canceled, a lower back tattoo. A lower back tattoo. Like a Loch Ness Monster.
I go through phases with everything. I think we should fundraise and get to a certain level for some charity somewhere for Corey to get a tramp stamp. A tramp stamp. That would be funny. I should call it, sorry, we don't want to get canceled, a lower back tattoo. A lower back tattoo. Like a Loch Ness Monster.
Cool.
Cool.
What about a still start bench cut? TikTok, Instagram, YouTube.
What about a still start bench cut? TikTok, Instagram, YouTube.
Almost the right direction to God's country, but just not there yet.
Almost the right direction to God's country, but just not there yet.
We've got nothing else to do. Yeah.
We've got nothing else to do. Yeah.
Irrigate and social.
Irrigate and social.
I knew when I walked in. Big girth guy. Yeah. Out of the three of us, which one do you think?
I knew when I walked in. Big girth guy. Yeah. Out of the three of us, which one do you think?
Yeah, that helps.
Yeah, that helps.
And I eat like a bird. Higher metabolism. I wonder how a 22-year-old's going to... We try to ask the same question over a period of three, four, six months. Yeah. And compile answers together to let our listeners, one, know that they're not alone in something, or we're just damn curious. Man, now it's therapy. Let's go. It kind of is.
And I eat like a bird. Higher metabolism. I wonder how a 22-year-old's going to... We try to ask the same question over a period of three, four, six months. Yeah. And compile answers together to let our listeners, one, know that they're not alone in something, or we're just damn curious. Man, now it's therapy. Let's go. It kind of is.
Fair enough. That's all it is. Or make videos and drink. And drink.
Fair enough. That's all it is. Or make videos and drink. And drink.
We know that it's hard for farmers that work a lot and have families to get over the thought in their head that they aren't there as much as they should be as a parent. So we've been asking people, how do you juggle work and personal life?
We know that it's hard for farmers that work a lot and have families to get over the thought in their head that they aren't there as much as they should be as a parent. So we've been asking people, how do you juggle work and personal life?
The observation that we've picked up on asking this question for a couple of months now is 92 to 95% of the people start the answer off the same way. Well, I don't do it very well. Yeah. And that's what we're trying to help is you do. You do what you can do. It's not a balance. No. Don't think you're not doing it well. You're doing it the way that it works for you.
The observation that we've picked up on asking this question for a couple of months now is 92 to 95% of the people start the answer off the same way. Well, I don't do it very well. Yeah. And that's what we're trying to help is you do. You do what you can do. It's not a balance. No. Don't think you're not doing it well. You're doing it the way that it works for you.
That's good.
That's good.
I'm glad we got to do this. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad that we got to have a conversation with you, and hopefully it made you feel more comfortable than you were when you were freaked out about getting here. Yeah, I was a little bit. Needless to say, we weren't ready for you anyway, so you didn't miss anything. It worked out. It did. I appreciate it. Appreciate you. It's wild. I can't.
I'm glad we got to do this. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad that we got to have a conversation with you, and hopefully it made you feel more comfortable than you were when you were freaked out about getting here. Yeah, I was a little bit. Needless to say, we weren't ready for you anyway, so you didn't miss anything. It worked out. It did. I appreciate it. Appreciate you. It's wild. I can't.
This is our pleasure. Corey, what do you tell the audience? Crack a cold one.
This is our pleasure. Corey, what do you tell the audience? Crack a cold one.
So is that the typical government job where there's four of you to do one person's job, three of you watched it? Yeah, four of us watched it.
So is that the typical government job where there's four of you to do one person's job, three of you watched it? Yeah, four of us watched it.
Beatrice. Beatrice. So you did Precision Ag there and you made it to... Spring break. Spring break. Yeah. Just never came back after spring break.
Beatrice. Beatrice. So you did Precision Ag there and you made it to... Spring break. Spring break. Yeah. Just never came back after spring break.
We got to get that back. Yeah.
We got to get that back. Yeah.
What a fascinating time it is out here at Husker Harvest Days. Listeners, we appreciate you joining us again. This is a guest who has been on the podcast before. Yeah, I say that in my intro. Don't steal my thunder. Well, I'm reading your intro for you, right? Oh, nice.
What a fascinating time it is out here at Husker Harvest Days. Listeners, we appreciate you joining us again. This is a guest who has been on the podcast before. Yeah, I say that in my intro. Don't steal my thunder. Well, I'm reading your intro for you, right? Oh, nice.
When I was on Vance's Ag Tribes report, I said that I still think every farm kid needs to go to college. But I think you need to go to college with a different mindset. You're not going there to learn anything except for business sense. HR, you know, being able to communicate with people and manage because most of these farms now it's not family.
When I was on Vance's Ag Tribes report, I said that I still think every farm kid needs to go to college. But I think you need to go to college with a different mindset. You're not going there to learn anything except for business sense. HR, you know, being able to communicate with people and manage because most of these farms now it's not family.
It's, it's other types of workers and you have to be able to, to effectively communicate and then be input in and around people that you don't agree with. If you, if you just went and had like an ag understanding degree, that's what you went in there to do is just how can I get along with people and how can I run a business? That's probably all you need to take out of it. Yeah.
It's, it's other types of workers and you have to be able to, to effectively communicate and then be input in and around people that you don't agree with. If you, if you just went and had like an ag understanding degree, that's what you went in there to do is just how can I get along with people and how can I run a business? That's probably all you need to take out of it. Yeah.
Go make some friends, go meet your spouse, uh, Go back to the farm.
Go make some friends, go meet your spouse, uh, Go back to the farm.
No. So why aren't you TikTok's most eligible bachelor instead of TikTok's favorite farmer?
No. So why aren't you TikTok's most eligible bachelor instead of TikTok's favorite farmer?
I thought about it. I gave my nephew some of that advice last fall. He was riding with me, and I said, just go talk to the pretty girl. Yeah. Worst case scenario, you never see her again. She never talks to you again.
I thought about it. I gave my nephew some of that advice last fall. He was riding with me, and I said, just go talk to the pretty girl. Yeah. Worst case scenario, you never see her again. She never talks to you again.
This is how a professional podcast gets started. Oh, yeah. Just so you know.
This is how a professional podcast gets started. Oh, yeah. Just so you know.
I've done one of those. Taking a girl to the formal and then she leaves with the ex-boyfriend that I was apparently just a jealous token for her.
I've done one of those. Taking a girl to the formal and then she leaves with the ex-boyfriend that I was apparently just a jealous token for her.
The poor guy's been standing here for an hour waiting for us to get started.
The poor guy's been standing here for an hour waiting for us to get started.
They're out there. Better taxes.
They're out there. Better taxes.
That'd be fun.
That'd be fun.
Where'd you hear that? Where'd you hear that? I think I saw it on TikTok, actually.
Where'd you hear that? Where'd you hear that? I think I saw it on TikTok, actually.
Love it.
Love it.
I don't even know if it's female, Corey, right now, because when I get to go speak at schools, there's a lot of young people that want to be farmers, and I keep telling them there's no entitlement there. Nobody said you get to farm. This is an expensive game. And so people look at it like, oh, well, you just get a farm.
I don't even know if it's female, Corey, right now, because when I get to go speak at schools, there's a lot of young people that want to be farmers, and I keep telling them there's no entitlement there. Nobody said you get to farm. This is an expensive game. And so people look at it like, oh, well, you just get a farm.
if your family wasn't in it to start with, I make this statement, I made it a lot. It is very hard barrier to entry to get into it. So luckily your family was in farming. You were able to do it. Your family was in farming. You were able to do it. I've been trying to get into it and I have to buy my way in, you know, just make a lot of money and try and buy my way in and learn everything you can.
if your family wasn't in it to start with, I make this statement, I made it a lot. It is very hard barrier to entry to get into it. So luckily your family was in farming. You were able to do it. Your family was in farming. You were able to do it. I've been trying to get into it and I have to buy my way in, you know, just make a lot of money and try and buy my way in and learn everything you can.
You're quickly learning. Like I don't even make any money. And it's not going to do it. So, but there's a lot of, I think young folks out there that would, see the dream of farming, but maybe their family's not in it or their parents didn't set them up the same. Mine didn't.
You're quickly learning. Like I don't even make any money. And it's not going to do it. So, but there's a lot of, I think young folks out there that would, see the dream of farming, but maybe their family's not in it or their parents didn't set them up the same. Mine didn't.
Doesn't mean that I'm entitled that I should get to farm or be jealous of you guys that that's what your family helped you with or provided just by being born in that deal. Not that they gave it to you. They didn't just say, here's the farm, but there's a little bit of it's really tough to get in if your family's not in it. So I think some of the haters might...
Doesn't mean that I'm entitled that I should get to farm or be jealous of you guys that that's what your family helped you with or provided just by being born in that deal. Not that they gave it to you. They didn't just say, here's the farm, but there's a little bit of it's really tough to get in if your family's not in it. So I think some of the haters might...
Not me clued into that, you know, thinking about that holistically. They're just like, oh, I want what they have.
Not me clued into that, you know, thinking about that holistically. They're just like, oh, I want what they have.
Taxes. They're like, oh, that guy doesn't pay any taxes. Actually, he just has a really good tax accountant. He's really smart.
Taxes. They're like, oh, that guy doesn't pay any taxes. Actually, he just has a really good tax accountant. He's really smart.
to you know decipher right we just got to figure it out like you got to be smart and figure it out so did you start the influencer side of the world because you just like to be on socials or because you wanted to some some gals that we've interviewed want to be like oh i want to encourage young women to do this is that your thing or is it just i'm just talking about my farm period
to you know decipher right we just got to figure it out like you got to be smart and figure it out so did you start the influencer side of the world because you just like to be on socials or because you wanted to some some gals that we've interviewed want to be like oh i want to encourage young women to do this is that your thing or is it just i'm just talking about my farm period
I think of like the, if we had a woman president, he'd be the first, first man, you know, like the first lady. Like, I don't know that anybody wants to be the first, first man.
I think of like the, if we had a woman president, he'd be the first, first man, you know, like the first lady. Like, I don't know that anybody wants to be the first, first man.
But so your, your husband is in this, like my wife's into cattle and I always, that's her thing. She really likes the cattle. So every time we go to a conversation. Somebody will say like, oh, hey, what bloodlines do you have? What breeding? And I totally like delay the conversation. I've tried actively to not learn the genetics because that's her thing. She really wants to talk about it.
But so your, your husband is in this, like my wife's into cattle and I always, that's her thing. She really likes the cattle. So every time we go to a conversation. Somebody will say like, oh, hey, what bloodlines do you have? What breeding? And I totally like delay the conversation. I've tried actively to not learn the genetics because that's her thing. She really wants to talk about it.
So then I just kind of look to her and they let her answer the first question. Then they look back at me and they ask me another question. And then by about the third time I delay to her. They're like, oh, she's the one I'm having the conversation with. And then I walk away because she likes that. She really likes to talk cattle. You and your husband have something like that? Is he into farming?
So then I just kind of look to her and they let her answer the first question. Then they look back at me and they ask me another question. And then by about the third time I delay to her. They're like, oh, she's the one I'm having the conversation with. And then I walk away because she likes that. She really likes to talk cattle. You and your husband have something like that? Is he into farming?
Does he feel jealous that you're the attention of the deal?
Does he feel jealous that you're the attention of the deal?
He's a techie, right?
He's a techie, right?
So, like, vice versa, you're fiancé now.
So, like, vice versa, you're fiancé now.
Fiancé now, and you have a farm together, but you guys kind of both geek out on it together. Like, you're into cattle, he's into cattle.
Fiancé now, and you have a farm together, but you guys kind of both geek out on it together. Like, you're into cattle, he's into cattle.
Make decisions together, you know.
Make decisions together, you know.
Well, like buying a farm, that's a lot of money.
Well, like buying a farm, that's a lot of money.
Do you guys have, like, your sides, I say sides of the beds, you have your space that you...
Do you guys have, like, your sides, I say sides of the beds, you have your space that you...
Do you ever wish that Tanner was more involved?
Do you ever wish that Tanner was more involved?
Is your Rachel, is she involved in the decision-making? I mean, we sold a farm for you, and I'm thinking, Rachel signed the papers.
Is your Rachel, is she involved in the decision-making? I mean, we sold a farm for you, and I'm thinking, Rachel signed the papers.
Like, what am I signing here? Like, what am I signing here?
Like, what am I signing here? Like, what am I signing here?
we should probably just like let her know that changes throughout the years when we were first married like big purchase was like okay a couple thousand dollars yeah and now like my wife will go spend 10 grand and not consult with me and it's like changes so i would say the harder on on our side of the things is it's just to make sure that you're supporting your spouse right like because you don't necessarily understand it like you would like oh yeah he's gonna go buy this yeah
we should probably just like let her know that changes throughout the years when we were first married like big purchase was like okay a couple thousand dollars yeah and now like my wife will go spend 10 grand and not consult with me and it's like changes so i would say the harder on on our side of the things is it's just to make sure that you're supporting your spouse right like because you don't necessarily understand it like you would like oh yeah he's gonna go buy this yeah
Expensive bowl. And that's what I did even with the cattle side. I don't want to know the genetics. That's her game. But she wants me to carry the equipment. But we all know our space. I'm the guy that's supposed to drive the truck, get her there. And then it's her game. And I just put the equipment together. And then I go find a drink or something.
Expensive bowl. And that's what I did even with the cattle side. I don't want to know the genetics. That's her game. But she wants me to carry the equipment. But we all know our space. I'm the guy that's supposed to drive the truck, get her there. And then it's her game. And I just put the equipment together. And then I go find a drink or something.
And maybe you told me early on that like your wife wasn't used to the schedule of what a farm does. So when it came harvest time, it's like it took a little learning curve to say, this is when I'm... That's why you date for a while before... This is my busy season. Did you have that? Is there like a learning curve for Tanner that...
And maybe you told me early on that like your wife wasn't used to the schedule of what a farm does. So when it came harvest time, it's like it took a little learning curve to say, this is when I'm... That's why you date for a while before... This is my busy season. Did you have that? Is there like a learning curve for Tanner that...
But you guys work away from each other every week, don't you?
But you guys work away from each other every week, don't you?
So let's talk about your operation. You're corn and beans. You're in Ohio. You took over Dad's and expanding more. What's the future? What's the 2026 Zoe, Farming with Zoe, look like?
So let's talk about your operation. You're corn and beans. You're in Ohio. You took over Dad's and expanding more. What's the future? What's the 2026 Zoe, Farming with Zoe, look like?
That was amazing, the difference.
That was amazing, the difference.
If you're not farming for profit, you won't be farming for long.
If you're not farming for profit, you won't be farming for long.
So which videos do better? The ones where you spill corn all over the side of the bins or the ones where you're like, hey, I just made a bunch of money with fungicide. Do you like to show the negatives just as much as the positives?
So which videos do better? The ones where you spill corn all over the side of the bins or the ones where you're like, hey, I just made a bunch of money with fungicide. Do you like to show the negatives just as much as the positives?
I think it's the best. Corey got me farming, and I made mistakes in the field planting this year to where I finally just broke down. I'm like, I got to call him. I got to call him. And I probably blew up his phone like a teenage schoolgirl. But we got it done, and he was able to advise me over the phone, and he fixed it in like 10 seconds. Like, son of a buck.
I think it's the best. Corey got me farming, and I made mistakes in the field planting this year to where I finally just broke down. I'm like, I got to call him. I got to call him. And I probably blew up his phone like a teenage schoolgirl. But we got it done, and he was able to advise me over the phone, and he fixed it in like 10 seconds. Like, son of a buck.
This is tough for me. I was telling you guys this.
This is tough for me. I was telling you guys this.
This is tough for me. So I have employees, and I want them to be self-thinkers. Figure out the problem. Figure out the problem. And I say, look, I don't want to micromanage, so here, I need this done. Figure out the problem. And they've been going to chat. They've been going to Google. They try to figure it out. And then I come in, and like, how long has it taken you to do this one thing?
This is tough for me. So I have employees, and I want them to be self-thinkers. Figure out the problem. Figure out the problem. And I say, look, I don't want to micromanage, so here, I need this done. Figure out the problem. And they've been going to chat. They've been going to Google. They try to figure it out. And then I come in, and like, how long has it taken you to do this one thing?
Oh, it's three days later, and they're still working on it, haven't figured it out. And I'm like, why didn't you guys call me? If you'd have called me, it's right here. It's in this file. It's right here. And we could have answered it. So there's a fine line where I want them to not ask for help and figure it out themselves. But I don't want them to waste time either.
Oh, it's three days later, and they're still working on it, haven't figured it out. And I'm like, why didn't you guys call me? If you'd have called me, it's right here. It's in this file. It's right here. And we could have answered it. So there's a fine line where I want them to not ask for help and figure it out themselves. But I don't want them to waste time either.
So I want to just, if it's taking you too long or you can't figure it out, just call me. I don't know where the line is.
So I want to just, if it's taking you too long or you can't figure it out, just call me. I don't know where the line is.
So have you farmed with the tile in the ground yet?
So have you farmed with the tile in the ground yet?
Did you see a yield bump?
Did you see a yield bump?
How many decisions in farming are made based on time frame?
How many decisions in farming are made based on time frame?
We gave you this sweet sweater.
We gave you this sweet sweater.
tenant but but here's the thing if my dad paid for it he would just jack up the rent more to pay for it so i'm paying for it i think most of the tenants ask the landlord to do it first off they say hey good land stewardship this would help us do better on your field now who gets the benefit off of it is normally the tenant so there's a cost share there if they have a multiple year agreement if they have a three or five year agreement i see more of the tenants putting it in
tenant but but here's the thing if my dad paid for it he would just jack up the rent more to pay for it so i'm paying for it i think most of the tenants ask the landlord to do it first off they say hey good land stewardship this would help us do better on your field now who gets the benefit off of it is normally the tenant so there's a cost share there if they have a multiple year agreement if they have a three or five year agreement i see more of the tenants putting it in
If it's not, the tenants are asking the landlord. I have lots of tenants that say they ask the landlord. Where I get on the backside is, who owns the data then? Because then I have the tenants put it in. They're like, well, we're not sharing that data with you when we go to sell it. Versus if the landlord has it, then they have the maps. They have the, you know.
If it's not, the tenants are asking the landlord. I have lots of tenants that say they ask the landlord. Where I get on the backside is, who owns the data then? Because then I have the tenants put it in. They're like, well, we're not sharing that data with you when we go to sell it. Versus if the landlord has it, then they have the maps. They have the, you know.
Yeah, correct. Four or five years.
Yeah, correct. Four or five years.
I think the discussion really needs to be not that I want to put tile in to make more money. The land stewardship conversation is we can do a better job farming your farm as a tenant. I think lots of the landlords want to hear that conversation.
I think the discussion really needs to be not that I want to put tile in to make more money. The land stewardship conversation is we can do a better job farming your farm as a tenant. I think lots of the landlords want to hear that conversation.
If the tenant's telling me we need this and we need it for conservation, for land stewardship, we're in with NRCS, it seems to get buy-in a whole lot more than I just want to make more money, which is a benefit off of it, though.
If the tenant's telling me we need this and we need it for conservation, for land stewardship, we're in with NRCS, it seems to get buy-in a whole lot more than I just want to make more money, which is a benefit off of it, though.
And it does improve their ground. And if you can get... That statement out there, it does bring $1,000 an acre if it's pattern tiled, probably. $1,000 more. Yeah.
And it does improve their ground. And if you can get... That statement out there, it does bring $1,000 an acre if it's pattern tiled, probably. $1,000 more. Yeah.
But at least you've just increased your worth. And it's a great write-off.
But at least you've just increased your worth. And it's a great write-off.
Going back to the female attribute, is there a time frame for our female listeners, is there a time frame that it took you to earn respect in the community is the question. The reason I bring it up, my wife worked for Capital City, and I think, I told her, I think it takes four or five years before people are going to give you the credit.
Going back to the female attribute, is there a time frame for our female listeners, is there a time frame that it took you to earn respect in the community is the question. The reason I bring it up, my wife worked for Capital City, and I think, I told her, I think it takes four or five years before people are going to give you the credit.
But, like, I'll say, like – But when you go to the seed dealer or the – you're the person making the decision.
But, like, I'll say, like – But when you go to the seed dealer or the – you're the person making the decision.
Does your dad do that as you're taking over, you know, as operations? You're kind of managing there, making decisions on seed, make decisions on spending rights. Did your dad also pass the buck to you? Like, hey, you know what? This year, Mr. Banker, Mr. Whoever, Corey's going to be the decision maker.
Does your dad do that as you're taking over, you know, as operations? You're kind of managing there, making decisions on seed, make decisions on spending rights. Did your dad also pass the buck to you? Like, hey, you know what? This year, Mr. Banker, Mr. Whoever, Corey's going to be the decision maker.
I got to imagine that relationship, though. It helps pass the torch a little bit. Yeah.
I got to imagine that relationship, though. It helps pass the torch a little bit. Yeah.
I think parents should bring their kids with them to every meeting to really learn that. You're learning stuff, even if you're not even in the conversation, you're just soaking it in.
I think parents should bring their kids with them to every meeting to really learn that. You're learning stuff, even if you're not even in the conversation, you're just soaking it in.
So you said you have siblings though. So brothers, sisters?
So you said you have siblings though. So brothers, sisters?
There you go. I've had some farms that we've got to sell that... They said, well, I'll just use Zoe as an example. Well, Zoe's been actively farming the farm and took over for dad, helped dad through, you know, retirement, et cetera. And you other two kids out here doing your other thing, you weren't as involved. We're going to sell the farm. We're going to give Zoe a discount.
There you go. I've had some farms that we've got to sell that... They said, well, I'll just use Zoe as an example. Well, Zoe's been actively farming the farm and took over for dad, helped dad through, you know, retirement, et cetera. And you other two kids out here doing your other thing, you weren't as involved. We're going to sell the farm. We're going to give Zoe a discount.
She gets to buy it at 60%. Yeah. So some farmers have that. We've had this conversation. There's fair. There's equal. splitting it up, they're not the same thing. Fair and equal are not the same thing. It might be fair to just give you 60%, but the other two siblings might say, well, that's not equally splitting it. I didn't say it had to be, but it's still fair. It's all on the parent.
She gets to buy it at 60%. Yeah. So some farmers have that. We've had this conversation. There's fair. There's equal. splitting it up, they're not the same thing. Fair and equal are not the same thing. It might be fair to just give you 60%, but the other two siblings might say, well, that's not equally splitting it. I didn't say it had to be, but it's still fair. It's all on the parent.
What's your thoughts on that? Do you think that should happen for kids that are taking care of the farm?
What's your thoughts on that? Do you think that should happen for kids that are taking care of the farm?
So you've done some estate planning already.
So you've done some estate planning already.
Yeah. I hate, for our listeners, I hate first right of refusals, and here's why. Nobody ever does them right. And what I say by right is, okay, so Zoe's got first right of refusal. Great. How long does she have to make the decision? Oh, that wasn't written in there. So could she delay for six months, a year, two years until the other siblings know?
Yeah. I hate, for our listeners, I hate first right of refusals, and here's why. Nobody ever does them right. And what I say by right is, okay, so Zoe's got first right of refusal. Great. How long does she have to make the decision? Oh, that wasn't written in there. So could she delay for six months, a year, two years until the other siblings know?
Or is it just written in there that she gets first right of refusal? So does it hijack the other siblings if they decide to sell? That's the first problem. The second problem is, well, how much is fair? What is the price? What did dad, what did the estate planning, what did grandma, grandpa want to offer that at? Nobody clearly defines how we determine a price. It's just whatever's fair.
Or is it just written in there that she gets first right of refusal? So does it hijack the other siblings if they decide to sell? That's the first problem. The second problem is, well, how much is fair? What is the price? What did dad, what did the estate planning, what did grandma, grandpa want to offer that at? Nobody clearly defines how we determine a price. It's just whatever's fair.
Well, then they get online and they say, well, I saw their farm sold $30,000 an acre. That's what we want. And then you have the other kids like, oh, she's been doing it. Just give it to her at $5,000 an acre. And then you get sibling wars. I see it all the time in my world. So I wish they'd say something very clear like...
Well, then they get online and they say, well, I saw their farm sold $30,000 an acre. That's what we want. And then you have the other kids like, oh, she's been doing it. Just give it to her at $5,000 an acre. And then you get sibling wars. I see it all the time in my world. So I wish they'd say something very clear like...
We're going to get three appraisals and each sibling is going to have to pay for an appraisal. You have to pay for one person you hired. You have to pay for one person you hired and you have to pay for one person you hired. We are going to collectively put those appraisals together. Whatever the average is, that's the price guaranteed.
We're going to get three appraisals and each sibling is going to have to pay for an appraisal. You have to pay for one person you hired. You have to pay for one person you hired and you have to pay for one person you hired. We are going to collectively put those appraisals together. Whatever the average is, that's the price guaranteed.
Like I wish people would make it more defined rather than just, Oh, yep. If we ever sell it, I'll give you a shot because there's not parameters. So then we get into, um, then we get into, um, Somebody wants to sell it, and we don't have any clarity of how to go forward. And even the attorneys are like, well, it's really not clear. So yeah, listeners, do that.
Like I wish people would make it more defined rather than just, Oh, yep. If we ever sell it, I'll give you a shot because there's not parameters. So then we get into, um, then we get into, um, Somebody wants to sell it, and we don't have any clarity of how to go forward. And even the attorneys are like, well, it's really not clear. So yeah, listeners, do that.
Oh, man, we forgot to do Tanner's hot takes. We don't need to do that.
Oh, man, we forgot to do Tanner's hot takes. We don't need to do that.
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They're blowing up.
They're blowing up.
And you relate it to other, I'd say, female things like tanning. You had a whole series on mixing bronzer with chemical application.
And you relate it to other, I'd say, female things like tanning. You had a whole series on mixing bronzer with chemical application.
What's the term we need here? That's skibbity? Skibbity. Is that what you say? Or that's the Riz? What?
What's the term we need here? That's skibbity? Skibbity. Is that what you say? Or that's the Riz? What?
Bruh?
Bruh?
Just raw. Like Carrie Underwood. I mean, just... I'll sing it. I'll just sing it. We're good. We're good.
Just raw. Like Carrie Underwood. I mean, just... I'll sing it. I'll just sing it. We're good. We're good.
Yeah, Iron Man.
Yeah, Iron Man.
So what other farming female hacks are out there? We need a series. Farming female hacks with Zoe.
So what other farming female hacks are out there? We need a series. Farming female hacks with Zoe.
We're in the fridge. In the fridge.
We're in the fridge. In the fridge.
I never thought about the older farmers because even my dad is scaling down in the stuff that he can do. You know, even grabbing a table or something that he used to just be, you know, Superman. And he lifted over his head and it was nothing. And now it's like he's not there anymore. And you can see it slowly declining. I bet there's a lot of that. And it's kind of not talked about.
I never thought about the older farmers because even my dad is scaling down in the stuff that he can do. You know, even grabbing a table or something that he used to just be, you know, Superman. And he lifted over his head and it was nothing. And now it's like he's not there anymore. And you can see it slowly declining. I bet there's a lot of that. And it's kind of not talked about.
Of course, you don't want to.
Of course, you don't want to.
I want to see you ride the drone. You probably can lift it. You can. I bet it could. You're small enough. It would just take you. I need to get to the other side of that field. Here we go. Hold on, boys. I always want to do that elk hunt. I'm like, oh, you can't cross that private ground to get to the state ground. Just lift me up. Take me over there. Airspace. I'm going to fly in. Yeah. Yeah.
I want to see you ride the drone. You probably can lift it. You can. I bet it could. You're small enough. It would just take you. I need to get to the other side of that field. Here we go. Hold on, boys. I always want to do that elk hunt. I'm like, oh, you can't cross that private ground to get to the state ground. Just lift me up. Take me over there. Airspace. I'm going to fly in. Yeah. Yeah.
So did you get your official card already, your 107 card?
So did you get your official card already, your 107 card?
I can't believe. Woo! You left out the important part of the intro there. What's that?
I can't believe. Woo! You left out the important part of the intro there. What's that?
Gotcha.
Gotcha.
I figured you're the one that's been on the plane and done the whole deal.
I figured you're the one that's been on the plane and done the whole deal.
Really?
Really?
Really?
Really?
Corey's like, oh, I've been on the plane.
Corey's like, oh, I've been on the plane.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So, Zoe, for the listeners that haven't heard yet, we'll go back to the other episode. We'll link back to it. But you're like 200,000 people on Instagram, 100,000 on TikTok, and you've built a social following.
So, Zoe, for the listeners that haven't heard yet, we'll go back to the other episode. We'll link back to it. But you're like 200,000 people on Instagram, 100,000 on TikTok, and you've built a social following.
Really?
Really?
I was going to say it was long enough I didn't know she was married. So you're married now to Tanner.
I was going to say it was long enough I didn't know she was married. So you're married now to Tanner.
Tanner and Tanner.
Tanner and Tanner.
Was it near your current operation?
Was it near your current operation?
Did they offer it to you direct or did you have to buy it at auction?
Did they offer it to you direct or did you have to buy it at auction?
Do you have that written in any of your cash rent agreements?
Do you have that written in any of your cash rent agreements?
It's a tough spot to be as a tenant, so I get calls all the time. And I actually normally, when we're selling something, recommend, hey, it's good politics to maybe ask your tenant. See if they're interested, but a lot of times they'll ask for a number. Of course, they want an appraisal then. And then they'll say, well, hey, here's an appraisal.
It's a tough spot to be as a tenant, so I get calls all the time. And I actually normally, when we're selling something, recommend, hey, it's good politics to maybe ask your tenant. See if they're interested, but a lot of times they'll ask for a number. Of course, they want an appraisal then. And then they'll say, well, hey, here's an appraisal.
And then if Corey doesn't give enough money as a tenant, we don't even give him a second chance. We're taking it right to auction. So you want to come aggressive enough to be in the game, but you still want to get the best deal you can. So there's a fine line of being like, I want to come in heavy, but I don't want to come in too heavy and pay too much.
And then if Corey doesn't give enough money as a tenant, we don't even give him a second chance. We're taking it right to auction. So you want to come aggressive enough to be in the game, but you still want to get the best deal you can. So there's a fine line of being like, I want to come in heavy, but I don't want to come in too heavy and pay too much.
Conversely, I've had people that have sold and I asked for a number and I said, well, hey, it's worth $18,000 an acre. And they're like... Well, what would be a good deal to the tenant? And they've asked me, and I said, boy, if they got it for $15,000, that'd be a great deal. Well, they've been a good tenant. Tell you what, let's sell it to them at that. And I'm like, what? My job outdrops?
Conversely, I've had people that have sold and I asked for a number and I said, well, hey, it's worth $18,000 an acre. And they're like... Well, what would be a good deal to the tenant? And they've asked me, and I said, boy, if they got it for $15,000, that'd be a great deal. Well, they've been a good tenant. Tell you what, let's sell it to them at that. And I'm like, what? My job outdrops?
I'm like, well, you guys are leaving a million dollars on the table. They're like, that's okay. We don't necessarily need it. So there's two types of sellers. There's the ones that are just, you know, looking for the money, and then some that are just looking for the most successful relationship.
I'm like, well, you guys are leaving a million dollars on the table. They're like, that's okay. We don't necessarily need it. So there's two types of sellers. There's the ones that are just, you know, looking for the money, and then some that are just looking for the most successful relationship.
Yeah, it will. They'll probably put you on an arm then. You're probably five years and then renegotiate that interest rate.
Yeah, it will. They'll probably put you on an arm then. You're probably five years and then renegotiate that interest rate.
I've seen a lot of that. Rather than fixing and just making it a 30-year fix, even the one that I bought last year, that's the way that they're wanting to do it. I hadn't heard the 90 days deal.
I've seen a lot of that. Rather than fixing and just making it a 30-year fix, even the one that I bought last year, that's the way that they're wanting to do it. I hadn't heard the 90 days deal.
Can I ask you a tough question? You don't have to answer it, but I'm just curious. Do you think being a female helped them want to sell it to you versus if Corey would have come in and said, oh, I see your mom, dad passed. I'd like to buy the farm. Do you think that gave you an uphill advantage?
Can I ask you a tough question? You don't have to answer it, but I'm just curious. Do you think being a female helped them want to sell it to you versus if Corey would have come in and said, oh, I see your mom, dad passed. I'd like to buy the farm. Do you think that gave you an uphill advantage?
It was a relationship, not necessarily the gender.
It was a relationship, not necessarily the gender.
Very good.
Very good.
The reason I ask that is I see on your TikTok every once in a while that you'll have a hater comment to you. Oh, you're female, that your daddy gave you this or whatever. And you do a great job of responding to most of those people. What's that like?
The reason I ask that is I see on your TikTok every once in a while that you'll have a hater comment to you. Oh, you're female, that your daddy gave you this or whatever. And you do a great job of responding to most of those people. What's that like?
Tanner and I won't be very present.
Tanner and I won't be very present.
Really?
Really?
The ground that is being expanded into, because you did say you have a lot of potential ground there. It's not in production right now.
The ground that is being expanded into, because you did say you have a lot of potential ground there. It's not in production right now.
So the farmland you're expanding on is mainly rangeland. that is like pasture, right?
So the farmland you're expanding on is mainly rangeland. that is like pasture, right?
I always thought about the whole Amazon. They're slashing the Amazon for more farmland. And it's like, I don't know if I would want to do that. Have you seen the documentaries with the snakes? How big the snakes? Everything in there wants to kill you. Right. They can eat a human. There's frogs. You touch the wrong frog. Mm-hmm. It'll kill you. Like, I don't want that stuff coming out in my field.
I always thought about the whole Amazon. They're slashing the Amazon for more farmland. And it's like, I don't know if I would want to do that. Have you seen the documentaries with the snakes? How big the snakes? Everything in there wants to kill you. Right. They can eat a human. There's frogs. You touch the wrong frog. Mm-hmm. It'll kill you. Like, I don't want that stuff coming out in my field.
You stay in the Amazon and I'll stay out here.
You stay in the Amazon and I'll stay out here.
Yeah, you dated her, right?
Yeah, you dated her, right?
He dumped her, yeah, for his wife. Yeah, so your wife is much hotter, right?
He dumped her, yeah, for his wife. Yeah, so your wife is much hotter, right?
Because he didn't have one. Right, right. Well, I mean, I knew we needed to talk.
Because he didn't have one. Right, right. Well, I mean, I knew we needed to talk.
That's a lot of labor.
That's a lot of labor.
The reason I think that it's so much older here is it takes so much more capital or a lot of capital. I'm not going to say more because I can't compare, but are they making good money as farmers in Brazil?
The reason I think that it's so much older here is it takes so much more capital or a lot of capital. I'm not going to say more because I can't compare, but are they making good money as farmers in Brazil?
So, like, when you say states and we're looking at, you got Uruguay.
So, like, when you say states and we're looking at, you got Uruguay.
That's why, you know, John is so good at marketing, and they have been for so long. And this summer, they kind of stubbed their toe, right? Like, every news article that came out was laying off people or then their chief tractor officer, and people, like, on social media were really... kind of coming after them. And they're so good at marketing. It almost felt on purpose.
That's why, you know, John is so good at marketing, and they have been for so long. And this summer, they kind of stubbed their toe, right? Like, every news article that came out was laying off people or then their chief tractor officer, and people, like, on social media were really... kind of coming after them. And they're so good at marketing. It almost felt on purpose.
Like, hey, we can't win all the time. Let's set ourselves back here a little bit. It's almost like it was strategic.
Like, hey, we can't win all the time. Let's set ourselves back here a little bit. It's almost like it was strategic.
Let's get a lay of the land by his hometown. How did you say that? Curitiba.
Let's get a lay of the land by his hometown. How did you say that? Curitiba.
Well, and then the people that don't even like meat, where do you get your protein? You know, whey powder and edamame, tofu.
Well, and then the people that don't even like meat, where do you get your protein? You know, whey powder and edamame, tofu.
And I think if you can break that, there's that undertow of, like, we think you're a competitor, right? Brazil's a competitor to us because, yeah, you're producing the same thing that we are. But when you start thinking about the technology that's going down there, it's the same thing of, like, well, I can't get any more land up here because the big farmer just takes it from me.
And I think if you can break that, there's that undertow of, like, we think you're a competitor, right? Brazil's a competitor to us because, yeah, you're producing the same thing that we are. But when you start thinking about the technology that's going down there, it's the same thing of, like, well, I can't get any more land up here because the big farmer just takes it from me.
And it's like, well, what good is complaining going to do about it? Figure out how to make it work, right? Create the technology to send down to Brazil. Right. Send...
And it's like, well, what good is complaining going to do about it? Figure out how to make it work, right? Create the technology to send down to Brazil. Right. Send...
Is that because you haven't maximized your acres yet? Because here, there's not 25 million more acres that we can go grow corn on or soybeans or any other crop. We kind of got to this full. We're full. Now we have to do more with what we have. Right. Right? So that's where I think the technology and innovation comes from. It's like, okay, now we've got to do this better.
Is that because you haven't maximized your acres yet? Because here, there's not 25 million more acres that we can go grow corn on or soybeans or any other crop. We kind of got to this full. We're full. Now we have to do more with what we have. Right. Right? So that's where I think the technology and innovation comes from. It's like, okay, now we've got to do this better.
Well, yeah, because the low-hanging fruit for you is like, can we grow it? We can just go get that other section up there and turn that into soybean ground.
Well, yeah, because the low-hanging fruit for you is like, can we grow it? We can just go get that other section up there and turn that into soybean ground.
So it's like agroforestry or what do they call that here? We have a name for that of growing livestock in forests and things of that nature.
So it's like agroforestry or what do they call that here? We have a name for that of growing livestock in forests and things of that nature.
So I would think the pastures and the forages would do a lot better. You'd have shade for the cattle. And then a lot of that stuff can really take advantage of the shade and then the sun. Whereas us around here, we grow corn. And if it's by trees, usually... It's a big hit to yield because of the tree roots and the shading. Right. So it gets shaded a large portion of the day.
So I would think the pastures and the forages would do a lot better. You'd have shade for the cattle. And then a lot of that stuff can really take advantage of the shade and then the sun. Whereas us around here, we grow corn. And if it's by trees, usually... It's a big hit to yield because of the tree roots and the shading. Right. So it gets shaded a large portion of the day.
Then you plant a tree that produces nuts like an acorn or something like that.
Then you plant a tree that produces nuts like an acorn or something like that.
Well, you can cut the tree and make money, but the livestock can use it as they drop. I was growing some Berkshire hogs, and we were thinking about acorn trees. Like a lot of over in Europe, they'll finish hogs on acorns instead of corn.
Well, you can cut the tree and make money, but the livestock can use it as they drop. I was growing some Berkshire hogs, and we were thinking about acorn trees. Like a lot of over in Europe, they'll finish hogs on acorns instead of corn.
I don't know if anyone says the USDA is that successful.
I don't know if anyone says the USDA is that successful.
Do you guys have to have emissions on your diesel engines, on your John Deere tractors? Like a deaf diesel exhaust fluid and all that, the particulate filters? Probably just like here. Really? Yeah, I would say... Because in Australia, you don't have to. Yeah, you don't?
Do you guys have to have emissions on your diesel engines, on your John Deere tractors? Like a deaf diesel exhaust fluid and all that, the particulate filters? Probably just like here. Really? Yeah, I would say... Because in Australia, you don't have to. Yeah, you don't?
No, there's a lot of countries that you don't have to.
No, there's a lot of countries that you don't have to.
I was just curious because that adds so much cost to tractors and, well, and just downtime because extra sensors and all this crap that...
I was just curious because that adds so much cost to tractors and, well, and just downtime because extra sensors and all this crap that...
So, let's see. Where would you have been from? Were you in town?
So, let's see. Where would you have been from? Were you in town?
I mean, that was an interesting story that you told us at coffee. Is that something you can share about how John Deere came to Brazil?
I mean, that was an interesting story that you told us at coffee. Is that something you can share about how John Deere came to Brazil?
I wonder if Neil Dahlstrom would have any of this information, too. He's head of... What do you call that? John Deere Archives. The Archives. Yeah, he probably knows all of that. So it had a Mercedes engine in... What year was that? Built in Brazil. I lost the years. Sorry, I'm taking notes at the same time.
I wonder if Neil Dahlstrom would have any of this information, too. He's head of... What do you call that? John Deere Archives. The Archives. Yeah, he probably knows all of that. So it had a Mercedes engine in... What year was that? Built in Brazil. I lost the years. Sorry, I'm taking notes at the same time.
It had a Mercedes engine before it went to John Deere on the last year that it... That's what it says there, right? I wonder if John Deere took any of your guys' technology in tractors or combines back... with them to the United States.
It had a Mercedes engine before it went to John Deere on the last year that it... That's what it says there, right? I wonder if John Deere took any of your guys' technology in tractors or combines back... with them to the United States.
I just wondered if there's any... sort of that they did something different on their tractor or, you know, a technology of some sort.
I just wondered if there's any... sort of that they did something different on their tractor or, you know, a technology of some sort.
And really, when the seed companies decided to go south to you guys and get those extra growing seasons, it allowed them... Because technology only took them so far in the States, right? Because they only had one growing season a year. Now they could actually...
And really, when the seed companies decided to go south to you guys and get those extra growing seasons, it allowed them... Because technology only took them so far in the States, right? Because they only had one growing season a year. Now they could actually...
expedite the process of doing all these hybrids and variety trials and traits and actually so i've grown soybean seed before that had to come from south america right and i came on a boat or a plane was flown in you know so i could plant it on june 5th and i was done planting on may 5th you know but it's it's crazy that that is is available to us now yeah it's cool
expedite the process of doing all these hybrids and variety trials and traits and actually so i've grown soybean seed before that had to come from south america right and i came on a boat or a plane was flown in you know so i could plant it on june 5th and i was done planting on may 5th you know but it's it's crazy that that is is available to us now yeah it's cool
So that's what your company was based on, was travel?
So that's what your company was based on, was travel?
No, I had some other stuff going on. I have hog feed I have to order before 10, and it's 10.09. That was not on the clock, right?
No, I had some other stuff going on. I have hog feed I have to order before 10, and it's 10.09. That was not on the clock, right?
And that's based because generally people in ag want to see how ag is in other parts of the world.
And that's based because generally people in ag want to see how ag is in other parts of the world.
There's places you don't go in St. Louis and Chicago. Right.
There's places you don't go in St. Louis and Chicago. Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was a bad move by Tanner.
That was a bad move by Tanner.
Yeah, there's going to be a lot more shows, I think, based on this. What do you say, Corey? Crack a cold one. You deserve it.
Yeah, there's going to be a lot more shows, I think, based on this. What do you say, Corey? Crack a cold one. You deserve it.
So most of your clients was probably more the corporations, the John Deere's, the seed companies, or even like the soybean growers or the corn growers, right? Because every time I've been offered a trip or seen someone go on a trip like that, it was never the individual that was paying. It was, well, I'm going with the soybean associations.
So most of your clients was probably more the corporations, the John Deere's, the seed companies, or even like the soybean growers or the corn growers, right? Because every time I've been offered a trip or seen someone go on a trip like that, it was never the individual that was paying. It was, well, I'm going with the soybean associations.
I mean, you came here and you have access to Harry Stein and the Summit Group and all that. Like that's... A lot of people from here don't even have access to those type of people. That's pretty cool.
I mean, you came here and you have access to Harry Stein and the Summit Group and all that. Like that's... A lot of people from here don't even have access to those type of people. That's pretty cool.
So, listeners, welcome to the show. This is a Farm for Fun show that was not planned at all. Tanner and I went to coffee with an amazing person this morning. His name is Julio, not Julio. Bravo. And you are from Brazil. And I'm going to let you introduce yourself and what part of Brazil you're from. And just go through your whole story of how you came to the United States.
So, listeners, welcome to the show. This is a Farm for Fun show that was not planned at all. Tanner and I went to coffee with an amazing person this morning. His name is Julio, not Julio. Bravo. And you are from Brazil. And I'm going to let you introduce yourself and what part of Brazil you're from. And just go through your whole story of how you came to the United States.
Yeah. You can get up into the North once.
Yeah. You can get up into the North once.
You're going back for something and you're coming back. And everything that you do, just give us the 30,000-foot view.
You're going back for something and you're coming back. And everything that you do, just give us the 30,000-foot view.
Really? Yeah, well. We can do this in Spanish.
Really? Yeah, well. We can do this in Spanish.
How much of that like relates back to farming and agriculture? Like you set up your combine just right so that it's, you know, and then you set up your car just right. I mean, is it equal? No, it's totally different. Just as much time or less time? Oh, way more time than setting up a combat. All right. Fair enough.
How much of that like relates back to farming and agriculture? Like you set up your combine just right so that it's, you know, and then you set up your car just right. I mean, is it equal? No, it's totally different. Just as much time or less time? Oh, way more time than setting up a combat. All right. Fair enough.
You're making me... You're making me think of the interview we did yesterday with Sync, which is a new powered by Sukup. Basically, if you don't know yet, Zach, there's like a whole suite of technology that they're on. They said phase one. They couldn't tell us a whole lot, but you have to get signed up. They got a QR code to sign up, learn all about this like new special tech that's coming.
You're making me... You're making me think of the interview we did yesterday with Sync, which is a new powered by Sukup. Basically, if you don't know yet, Zach, there's like a whole suite of technology that they're on. They said phase one. They couldn't tell us a whole lot, but you have to get signed up. They got a QR code to sign up, learn all about this like new special tech that's coming.
Is that when it was? He probably knows. He was just at Sukup at the dryer class.
Is that when it was? He probably knows. He was just at Sukup at the dryer class.
Hey, guys, maybe we even start before you, Corey. Let me interject. We would just like to thank our partners. And Sukup is where we're at today. and what a great guest to have here. For all of you that are in the live audience, thank you for being here. One of our proud partners is Sukup Grain Bins and Sukup Grain Handling.
Hey, guys, maybe we even start before you, Corey. Let me interject. We would just like to thank our partners. And Sukup is where we're at today. and what a great guest to have here. For all of you that are in the live audience, thank you for being here. One of our proud partners is Sukup Grain Bins and Sukup Grain Handling.
It just keeps raining. Guys, one of the things, you were talking safety. I'm missing John this year. John Wasukup retired. He made the safety door. So if you do get to the bottom of that bin, you might need to actually use that.
It just keeps raining. Guys, one of the things, you were talking safety. I'm missing John this year. John Wasukup retired. He made the safety door. So if you do get to the bottom of that bin, you might need to actually use that.
If you are a next generation farmer, make sure that you're putting this brand stuck in your head, okay? It's one of the best brands out there. If you are a current farmer and you're just listening and says, who are these guys here? Grab one of the people in the green shirts that are around. They're all black and today. They won't kill you. They're really nice guys.
If you are a next generation farmer, make sure that you're putting this brand stuck in your head, okay? It's one of the best brands out there. If you are a current farmer and you're just listening and says, who are these guys here? Grab one of the people in the green shirts that are around. They're all black and today. They won't kill you. They're really nice guys.
So we talked about the economy a little bit. It's just a different market right now with corn being down and interest rates up and whatnot. You got any tech tips for the audience or tech tips for the listeners down the road of something that the Millennial Farmer is going to do this year to try to be more profitable? Man, I don't know about that. Specific tech tips?
So we talked about the economy a little bit. It's just a different market right now with corn being down and interest rates up and whatnot. You got any tech tips for the audience or tech tips for the listeners down the road of something that the Millennial Farmer is going to do this year to try to be more profitable? Man, I don't know about that. Specific tech tips?
You're putting me on the spot there.
You're putting me on the spot there.
Tanner's smiling over there. He's a freak in the sheets. What do you use? Excel documents. Excel document sheets, that is, as a banker.
Tanner's smiling over there. He's a freak in the sheets. What do you use? Excel documents. Excel document sheets, that is, as a banker.
They're not overbearing salesmen. If you have questions, I love to ask them questions. Just do that. Great resource.
They're not overbearing salesmen. If you have questions, I love to ask them questions. Just do that. Great resource.
He's a great guy. Some people are. Last time we talked, you were talking about maybe expanding a little bit. Did that ever go down, if I can ask? Did you get any more land since I sell land?
He's a great guy. Some people are. Last time we talked, you were talking about maybe expanding a little bit. Did that ever go down, if I can ask? Did you get any more land since I sell land?
Manage the expectations. We educate sellers, not buyers. Buyers know what they want to give. They know what they can afford and what the bank will loan them on.
Manage the expectations. We educate sellers, not buyers. Buyers know what they want to give. They know what they can afford and what the bank will loan them on.
I think we know what table that came from. So you have a podcast. It was Off the Husk. Is it still a thing? Does it still exist? You used it to raise money and then...
I think we know what table that came from. So you have a podcast. It was Off the Husk. Is it still a thing? Does it still exist? You used it to raise money and then...
We should have followed suit with you. We started on YouTube, and now as we switch sides. Yeah.
We should have followed suit with you. We started on YouTube, and now as we switch sides. Yeah.
Did you get the sweet YouTube plaque that's like gold or silver? Yeah.
Did you get the sweet YouTube plaque that's like gold or silver? Yeah.
That could be. So non-farm related, do you have YouTube people that you follow, like Mr. Beast or somebody that might be bigger than what your presence is? I don't follow anybody too closely.
That could be. So non-farm related, do you have YouTube people that you follow, like Mr. Beast or somebody that might be bigger than what your presence is? I don't follow anybody too closely.
Barstool Zach.
Barstool Zach.
Yeah, that's what it seems like.
Yeah, that's what it seems like.
There's a meet and greet today.
There's a meet and greet today.
So I just saw some of the local trap shooters come in right here at this table that are near me. Have you ever shot a perfect trap score? No, I'm not that good. What's your highest?
So I just saw some of the local trap shooters come in right here at this table that are near me. Have you ever shot a perfect trap score? No, I'm not that good. What's your highest?
Have you, Dave? No, I haven't. I haven't. Has anybody on the trap team shot a perfect score? There's a couple of them that got up into the 80s, maybe 90s over there. But it'll come quick.
Have you, Dave? No, I haven't. I haven't. Has anybody on the trap team shot a perfect score? There's a couple of them that got up into the 80s, maybe 90s over there. But it'll come quick.
I always see the girls do a little better. They don't get frustrated as much. The guys get mad when they miss one, and the girls are like, whatever, I'll shoot the next one.
I always see the girls do a little better. They don't get frustrated as much. The guys get mad when they miss one, and the girls are like, whatever, I'll shoot the next one.
I said that earlier.
I said that earlier.
Work doesn't sound good. Tanner gave him a phone number for a free Uber, so now all he's got to do is call it, and he's got to drive you to Minnesota.
Work doesn't sound good. Tanner gave him a phone number for a free Uber, so now all he's got to do is call it, and he's got to drive you to Minnesota.
Yeah. A dance-off. A dance-off.
Yeah. A dance-off. A dance-off.
No, they would hate that.
No, they would hate that.
We need a racetrack here. You know, you were talking about a wrestling arena. How about a racetrack, and we'll get Jackson, and we'll just like the tractor pull. Inside. The CTO, we'll get Millennial Farmer. You do that, and they're not going to have any room for their displays.
We need a racetrack here. You know, you were talking about a wrestling arena. How about a racetrack, and we'll get Jackson, and we'll just like the tractor pull. Inside. The CTO, we'll get Millennial Farmer. You do that, and they're not going to have any room for their displays.
Yeah, that'd be fun.
Yeah, that'd be fun.
I'd like to see all you guys just go out to where they're parking, and everybody grab a horse, and we'll make a contest out of it. That sounds fun, too. I've never drove a horse. You've never drove a horse? No. You've never rode a horse? No.
I'd like to see all you guys just go out to where they're parking, and everybody grab a horse, and we'll make a contest out of it. That sounds fun, too. I've never drove a horse. You've never drove a horse? No. You've never rode a horse? No.
Have you ever drove a horse?
Have you ever drove a horse?
Ride, drive. Dave, what do you do? Do you drive a horse? I guess you could say drive. I mean, you tell it direction. You give it cues of left or right.
Ride, drive. Dave, what do you do? Do you drive a horse? I guess you could say drive. I mean, you tell it direction. You give it cues of left or right.
Well, in the auction industry, we say sell it with a ride and drive. So now you can just use both.
Well, in the auction industry, we say sell it with a ride and drive. So now you can just use both.
So speaking of hockey, if you had a choice, you get to start, you get to bench, you get to cut one of these. Baseball, football. You've played that game with us before, right? No, I never have.
So speaking of hockey, if you had a choice, you get to start, you get to bench, you get to cut one of these. Baseball, football. You've played that game with us before, right? No, I never have.
How you doing?
How you doing?
Stick around.
Stick around.
For what? Start, bench, cut. What's your favorite? Bodies of water. A river, a lake, or an ocean.
For what? Start, bench, cut. What's your favorite? Bodies of water. A river, a lake, or an ocean.
Planting and harvest. I'm starting the planting corn. That's my favorite thing to do. You have a new planter too. We do, yeah. With some cool stickers on it. What happened to our stickers? They took them off.
Planting and harvest. I'm starting the planting corn. That's my favorite thing to do. You have a new planter too. We do, yeah. With some cool stickers on it. What happened to our stickers? They took them off.
And I was on the hitch right up towards the front. I'm like, you're hooking this up. So if you guys don't know that's in the crowd, while we were at Commodity Classic, we kind of added a little swag to his new planner that he got and waited to see if he would find them. But apparently they cleaned that planner up before they gave it back to him.
And I was on the hitch right up towards the front. I'm like, you're hooking this up. So if you guys don't know that's in the crowd, while we were at Commodity Classic, we kind of added a little swag to his new planner that he got and waited to see if he would find them. But apparently they cleaned that planner up before they gave it back to him.
Since we're talking about family, one of our questions we've been asking everyone at the end, we try to put a compilation together at the end, how do you juggle work and family together?
Since we're talking about family, one of our questions we've been asking everyone at the end, we try to put a compilation together at the end, how do you juggle work and family together?
Honey Creek. Honey Creek. Yeah, that's where they said they were going. I thought it was a creek. Just when I thought you had influence of just like eight-year-old girls on YouTube, my neighbor, who's like 75, who's a hay guy, is like, have you ever met this guy, the Millennial Farmer guy? And I was like, okay, his swath is a little bigger than I thought it was.
Honey Creek. Honey Creek. Yeah, that's where they said they were going. I thought it was a creek. Just when I thought you had influence of just like eight-year-old girls on YouTube, my neighbor, who's like 75, who's a hay guy, is like, have you ever met this guy, the Millennial Farmer guy? And I was like, okay, his swath is a little bigger than I thought it was.
I saw your face.
I saw your face.
It's terrifying for me.
It's terrifying for me.
Shaping the minds of the next generation. Oh, I hope not. Not too much. That's hard to think about if you really start thinking deep.
Shaping the minds of the next generation. Oh, I hope not. Not too much. That's hard to think about if you really start thinking deep.
Have you been to a farmer coffee shop? They know everyone who lived here, there, then, and when, and where.
Have you been to a farmer coffee shop? They know everyone who lived here, there, then, and when, and where.
And it always ends with, a good time was had by all. The Carol B. See, we still have that in our little paper.
And it always ends with, a good time was had by all. The Carol B. See, we still have that in our little paper.
We got thumbs down. Hold on.
We got thumbs down. Hold on.
There's an auction description.
There's an auction description.
David would know that. You need to advertise. Yeah, right. You need to advertise birth announcements. You've got the hall for 300 people. People can break their clay and it can give a color. There's your next idea. We might need to bring you on.
David would know that. You need to advertise. Yeah, right. You need to advertise birth announcements. You've got the hall for 300 people. People can break their clay and it can give a color. There's your next idea. We might need to bring you on.
So I know we talked about this last time and how much it's growing. I have a different question for you. What's your favorite gun?
So I know we talked about this last time and how much it's growing. I have a different question for you. What's your favorite gun?
Not necessarily just shotguns either. Are you brand loyal, like Remington or Weatherby?
Not necessarily just shotguns either. Are you brand loyal, like Remington or Weatherby?
Perfect.
Perfect.
Yes.
Yes.
Ladies and gentlemen, farmers, ranchers, and distinguished guests, thank you for listening to the Farm for Profit podcast, where we discuss the latest ideas, methods, trends, and techniques available to help your farm achieve higher levels of farm profitability.
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Remember, if you aren't farming for profit, you won't be farming for long.
Remember, if you aren't farming for profit, you won't be farming for long.
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Very good.
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And Brad McDonald. Brad McDonald, head of farm in Delaware County. And yeah, I'm also COO of Continuum Ag out of Washington, Iowa as well. Just a row crop operation on the home farm. Also have pigs that my dad and brother operate together. If you ever saw the big boars at the Iowa State Fair, we had three of them, three winners.
And Brad McDonald. Brad McDonald, head of farm in Delaware County. And yeah, I'm also COO of Continuum Ag out of Washington, Iowa as well. Just a row crop operation on the home farm. Also have pigs that my dad and brother operate together. If you ever saw the big boars at the Iowa State Fair, we had three of them, three winners.
If so, Big Mac, Big Buck, or Itty Bitty, that came from the McDonald farm. So happy to be here.
If so, Big Mac, Big Buck, or Itty Bitty, that came from the McDonald farm. So happy to be here.
We let the FFA chapter pick the last one, so Itty Bitty was from the Delaware County. Do you have one going down this year? Was that? Do you have one going down this year? No, nothing this year, but yeah.
We let the FFA chapter pick the last one, so Itty Bitty was from the Delaware County. Do you have one going down this year? Was that? Do you have one going down this year? No, nothing this year, but yeah.
Well, yeah, I mean, even just from all perspectives, I'm an economist by education, so the definition of the economy would be the allocation of limited resources. To me, technology is the enhancement of that allocation. So in layman's terms, getting more with less is really how I view technology. And when it comes specifically to Continuum Ag,
Well, yeah, I mean, even just from all perspectives, I'm an economist by education, so the definition of the economy would be the allocation of limited resources. To me, technology is the enhancement of that allocation. So in layman's terms, getting more with less is really how I view technology. And when it comes specifically to Continuum Ag,
We're helping farmers improve their profitability through improved soil health and have a lot of new mechanisms to help with that through technology to just enhance that profitability to Scott's point is to basically help farmers get more from less.
We're helping farmers improve their profitability through improved soil health and have a lot of new mechanisms to help with that through technology to just enhance that profitability to Scott's point is to basically help farmers get more from less.
Yeah, you can run the gamut. I mean, agriculture, I think, has a bad reputation of being late to the game when it comes to technology. And I think in a lot of ways that can be warranted, but oftentimes isn't warranted at the same time. I think of our friends on the coast. The hot item is autonomous vehicles, self-driving vehicles. We've been driving self-driving tractors for over a decade, right?
Yeah, you can run the gamut. I mean, agriculture, I think, has a bad reputation of being late to the game when it comes to technology. And I think in a lot of ways that can be warranted, but oftentimes isn't warranted at the same time. I think of our friends on the coast. The hot item is autonomous vehicles, self-driving vehicles. We've been driving self-driving tractors for over a decade, right?
So in some ways, we are very advanced. But in others, I think that we definitely can be looking for what's the next thing. And some are better than others, right? And so you're always going to have those early adopters, people who are late to the party. I think you're going to see that in every industry, but agriculture in general.
So in some ways, we are very advanced. But in others, I think that we definitely can be looking for what's the next thing. And some are better than others, right? And so you're always going to have those early adopters, people who are late to the party. I think you're going to see that in every industry, but agriculture in general.
I think is very advanced when it comes to looking for the future, almost by necessity, you know, if you're not growing, you're kind of dying. And that's the way of agriculture, unfortunately. And the people who are those early adopters are the ones that are going to keep growing.
I think is very advanced when it comes to looking for the future, almost by necessity, you know, if you're not growing, you're kind of dying. And that's the way of agriculture, unfortunately. And the people who are those early adopters are the ones that are going to keep growing.
And Brad. Yeah, so I'll lump data into technology there as far as what I try to do is I try to take the emotion out of farming. I think that that sometimes can be a barrier and let the data speak for itself. One thing that I've tried that I never thought I would try in a million years is this whole regen thing, putting cover crops and doing no-till on my own ground. And the first year I did it,
And Brad. Yeah, so I'll lump data into technology there as far as what I try to do is I try to take the emotion out of farming. I think that that sometimes can be a barrier and let the data speak for itself. One thing that I've tried that I never thought I would try in a million years is this whole regen thing, putting cover crops and doing no-till on my own ground. And the first year I did it,
My grandparents were still alive and they saw me planting into a green cover crop and they looked like they were about to have a heart attack because I'm planting into a weedy field. But I think that you just got to try these different things and let the data speak for it.
My grandparents were still alive and they saw me planting into a green cover crop and they looked like they were about to have a heart attack because I'm planting into a weedy field. But I think that you just got to try these different things and let the data speak for it.
Whether that's right for your operation or not, try to remove the heart attack you're planting into a weedy field and see what the data tells you. Turns out that we ended up having record yield that year on those fields, not necessarily because of the cover crop, but at least we proved that the cover crop didn't hurt the farm through the data.
Whether that's right for your operation or not, try to remove the heart attack you're planting into a weedy field and see what the data tells you. Turns out that we ended up having record yield that year on those fields, not necessarily because of the cover crop, but at least we proved that the cover crop didn't hurt the farm through the data.
So now I can participate in a low CI grain that we also do at Continuum Ag because I'm not afraid to try these different things. And so I guess it's just an evolution. And yeah, I love that point as far as if we have 40 shots at this, You want to get your best at bad every year, right? And I think you just have to be open-minded to do that.
So now I can participate in a low CI grain that we also do at Continuum Ag because I'm not afraid to try these different things. And so I guess it's just an evolution. And yeah, I love that point as far as if we have 40 shots at this, You want to get your best at bad every year, right? And I think you just have to be open-minded to do that.
Yeah, I mean, we talk to farmers that ask that same question every single day. Literally, that is the number one thing preventing farmers from trying these things. It's not just the emotional, but also, well, what about my yield this year? And they understand that there can be that yield drag in the first three years.
Yeah, I mean, we talk to farmers that ask that same question every single day. Literally, that is the number one thing preventing farmers from trying these things. It's not just the emotional, but also, well, what about my yield this year? And they understand that there can be that yield drag in the first three years.
Fortunately, we live in a time now where, financially at least, we have a lot of things available to overcome those yield drags, particularly low CI at this point. So what we try to do is just let's let's put pencil to paper here and actually look at what does this look like financially for your operation.
Fortunately, we live in a time now where, financially at least, we have a lot of things available to overcome those yield drags, particularly low CI at this point. So what we try to do is just let's let's put pencil to paper here and actually look at what does this look like financially for your operation.
So when I did this cover crop in 2022, I put pencil to paper and I found out that, OK, I'm going to apply for an equip program. If that doesn't work out, I'll do a state cost share program to help pay for my cover crop seed.
So when I did this cover crop in 2022, I put pencil to paper and I found out that, OK, I'm going to apply for an equip program. If that doesn't work out, I'll do a state cost share program to help pay for my cover crop seed.
and also I'm going to sign up for this carbon program that pays $25 an acre, I found out that I could afford a yield drag of about 25 bushels and still come out breakeven, compared to if I was just doing normal conventional practices. So in my mind, now I'm just, again, letting the data kind of drive the decision here.
and also I'm going to sign up for this carbon program that pays $25 an acre, I found out that I could afford a yield drag of about 25 bushels and still come out breakeven, compared to if I was just doing normal conventional practices. So in my mind, now I'm just, again, letting the data kind of drive the decision here.
I thought, you know what, I could probably survive putting out a cover crop and trying no-till, and I think that I can do better than 25 bushel yield drag. I think I can do that. And so I think every farmer's just got to go through that process and that journey, whatever that looks like to them, and we help farmers do that every single day.
I thought, you know what, I could probably survive putting out a cover crop and trying no-till, and I think that I can do better than 25 bushel yield drag. I think I can do that. And so I think every farmer's just got to go through that process and that journey, whatever that looks like to them, and we help farmers do that every single day.
But yeah, I mean, since it is such an emotional thing to try this region, we really try to point to the potential, Like, hey, yeah, there is risk, but farming is risk. Whether you do or you don't, you are taking a risk every single time you're putting seed in the ground.
But yeah, I mean, since it is such an emotional thing to try this region, we really try to point to the potential, Like, hey, yeah, there is risk, but farming is risk. Whether you do or you don't, you are taking a risk every single time you're putting seed in the ground.
So now let's look to what the potential could be if you were to implement these practices, the improvement of soil health, and then also now participating in these brand new markets to increase revenue at the same time. And oftentimes when we kind of walk through that journey, farmers tend to end up seeing the white, I guess, if you want to call it that, and being willing to try it.
So now let's look to what the potential could be if you were to implement these practices, the improvement of soil health, and then also now participating in these brand new markets to increase revenue at the same time. And oftentimes when we kind of walk through that journey, farmers tend to end up seeing the white, I guess, if you want to call it that, and being willing to try it.
Yeah, so CI, carbon intensity, basically means your carbon footprint. So whether you want it or not, no matter where you're at politically, every single farmer has a carbon intensity score associated with their crop. And really what it comes down to is there's now this brand new revenue stream.
Yeah, so CI, carbon intensity, basically means your carbon footprint. So whether you want it or not, no matter where you're at politically, every single farmer has a carbon intensity score associated with their crop. And really what it comes down to is there's now this brand new revenue stream.
I guess it would be in the form of tax credits through biodiesel or ethanol where they can get tax credits from the U.S. government if they can lower their carbon footprint. So think of from an ethanol plant standpoint. I've got a carbon footprint and most of that is made up from the corn that's going through my facility.
I guess it would be in the form of tax credits through biodiesel or ethanol where they can get tax credits from the U.S. government if they can lower their carbon footprint. So think of from an ethanol plant standpoint. I've got a carbon footprint and most of that is made up from the corn that's going through my facility.
So us as farmers can help the ethanol industry lower their CI score by producing a low CI grain. How do we do that? Cover crops, no-till, and manure instead of synthetics. If you do those three things, that's the trifecta to lower your score. And now I'm providing a brand new value to the ethanol industry that I should be compensated for.
So us as farmers can help the ethanol industry lower their CI score by producing a low CI grain. How do we do that? Cover crops, no-till, and manure instead of synthetics. If you do those three things, that's the trifecta to lower your score. And now I'm providing a brand new value to the ethanol industry that I should be compensated for.
So at the end of the day, it's all tied to what is your actual score of the practices that you're implementing on your farm. In my case, I mentioned I signed up for a carbon program, a carbon credit program that paid $25 per acre. That same exact crop, when I tie a CI score to it, would have been providing over $450 per acre to the ethanol industry.
So at the end of the day, it's all tied to what is your actual score of the practices that you're implementing on your farm. In my case, I mentioned I signed up for a carbon program, a carbon credit program that paid $25 per acre. That same exact crop, when I tie a CI score to it, would have been providing over $450 per acre to the ethanol industry.
So if I was able to sell my corn that year to the ethanol industry, I would be providing this brand new value to the ethanol industry. And yeah, maybe I'm not going to get $450 per acre, but even if I get half of that, that's way more than anything else that I would have been able to sign up for. So it's just this brand new thing.
So if I was able to sell my corn that year to the ethanol industry, I would be providing this brand new value to the ethanol industry. And yeah, maybe I'm not going to get $450 per acre, but even if I get half of that, that's way more than anything else that I would have been able to sign up for. So it's just this brand new thing.
starting in 2025, that you can score your 2024 crop going into the 2025 season, that the ethanol industry would hopefully be able to pay farmers based on your CI score.
starting in 2025, that you can score your 2024 crop going into the 2025 season, that the ethanol industry would hopefully be able to pay farmers based on your CI score.
So by law, it is. Because we're waiting for... We are waiting for guidelines from the USDA recommending to the IRS on how do they actually facilitate it. So by law, it starts, the clock starts Jan 1, 2025, by law. So then the question is, how the heck are these ethanol plants actually going to get tax credits? Yep. And that has not been defined yet. Yep.
So by law, it is. Because we're waiting for... We are waiting for guidelines from the USDA recommending to the IRS on how do they actually facilitate it. So by law, it starts, the clock starts Jan 1, 2025, by law. So then the question is, how the heck are these ethanol plants actually going to get tax credits? Yep. And that has not been defined yet. Yep.
Yeah, I just used drones for the first time this year. So got the fungicide on with drones and that was pretty cool. But I... I will say this, I'll add the caveat, I probably sound like this regen hawk, but at Continuum, I'm probably the biggest skeptic when it comes to regen farming.
Yeah, I just used drones for the first time this year. So got the fungicide on with drones and that was pretty cool. But I... I will say this, I'll add the caveat, I probably sound like this regen hawk, but at Continuum, I'm probably the biggest skeptic when it comes to regen farming.
The technology that I'm most excited for is getting to reduce my nitrogen application, because now I'm getting to that year three, four, five, that I should be able to see that organic end picking up, and so I should be able to reduce my nitrogen.
The technology that I'm most excited for is getting to reduce my nitrogen application, because now I'm getting to that year three, four, five, that I should be able to see that organic end picking up, and so I should be able to reduce my nitrogen.
I don't know if that's implementation of technology that you're looking for, but I'm really looking forward to pulling back on my end costs by utilizing that.
I don't know if that's implementation of technology that you're looking for, but I'm really looking forward to pulling back on my end costs by utilizing that.
Honestly, you have to identify who are the people who are actually open-minded to doing these new things. But then also, we're not trying to upset the apple cart here by necessarily going directly to the farmer and saying, hey, you should be doing this. We actually work with a dealer network that is working with the farmer.
Honestly, you have to identify who are the people who are actually open-minded to doing these new things. But then also, we're not trying to upset the apple cart here by necessarily going directly to the farmer and saying, hey, you should be doing this. We actually work with a dealer network that is working with the farmer.
So we have trusted people as dealers who know the vision of what we're trying to do, and they have a farmer network that they can then have that confident conversation with all of their network, basically, to be an advocate on our behalf, right?
So we have trusted people as dealers who know the vision of what we're trying to do, and they have a farmer network that they can then have that confident conversation with all of their network, basically, to be an advocate on our behalf, right?
So I feel like a lot of the guys who are just trying to go in and disrupt and just go and say, you know what, the old system is old, don't use it, go right to the farmer, you're not going to have very good success. And we've seen a lot of companies... try and fail pretty massively when it comes to that approach, you don't want to disrupt that. You want to still have those farmer relationships.
So I feel like a lot of the guys who are just trying to go in and disrupt and just go and say, you know what, the old system is old, don't use it, go right to the farmer, you're not going to have very good success. And we've seen a lot of companies... try and fail pretty massively when it comes to that approach, you don't want to disrupt that. You want to still have those farmer relationships.
They're there for a reason. Utilize that. Utilize those relationships because if you are able to get those dealers and people on your side as champions, they're the ones who are going to be the most effective at carrying that message to the farm gate.
They're there for a reason. Utilize that. Utilize those relationships because if you are able to get those dealers and people on your side as champions, they're the ones who are going to be the most effective at carrying that message to the farm gate.
So we definitely see differences, right? You're going to have different yield drags on different soil types going through that process, depending on what your soil is like. That said, we have yet to come across a farmer that just completely failed and abandoned ship when it comes to let's try what you're comfortable with first, get your toe in the water, and then build from there.
So we definitely see differences, right? You're going to have different yield drags on different soil types going through that process, depending on what your soil is like. That said, we have yet to come across a farmer that just completely failed and abandoned ship when it comes to let's try what you're comfortable with first, get your toe in the water, and then build from there.
So a lot of time, I like to say strip-till is the gateway drug. Let's start there. And if you're not comfortable with all of your acres, try some of your acres. And then build that confidence and then move on from there. If you go whole hog and fail the first year, that's the fastest way to never try again, right?
So a lot of time, I like to say strip-till is the gateway drug. Let's start there. And if you're not comfortable with all of your acres, try some of your acres. And then build that confidence and then move on from there. If you go whole hog and fail the first year, that's the fastest way to never try again, right?
And so I strongly recommend we meet the farmer where they're at with the comfortability because there is that emotional part of it, right? And so we want to meet them where they're at, what they're comfortable with, and then build upon that year after year.
And so I strongly recommend we meet the farmer where they're at with the comfortability because there is that emotional part of it, right? And so we want to meet them where they're at, what they're comfortable with, and then build upon that year after year.
Yeah, so agriculture overall, I guess I'll describe what I think the problem is and then how technology might be able to help with that. It has a problem with narrative more than anything that I'm seeing. So I went to college with a bunch of city folk, ended up living with city folk. And I was viewed with the last name McDonald as either an angel or a devil. That's how I like to call it.
Yeah, so agriculture overall, I guess I'll describe what I think the problem is and then how technology might be able to help with that. It has a problem with narrative more than anything that I'm seeing. So I went to college with a bunch of city folk, ended up living with city folk. And I was viewed with the last name McDonald as either an angel or a devil. That's how I like to call it.
They either thought of me as an 1800 old McDonald farmer, right? A wholesome person going out there with a pitchfork. And they love that story. Or they saw Monsanto and I'm spraying everything with chemicals and I'm killing their kids. Right. So and it's real. It's a real perception problem.
They either thought of me as an 1800 old McDonald farmer, right? A wholesome person going out there with a pitchfork. And they love that story. Or they saw Monsanto and I'm spraying everything with chemicals and I'm killing their kids. Right. So and it's real. It's a real perception problem.
And so I think that it really comes down to providing that visibility and letting people know, hey, we don't farm like we did in the 1800s, obviously. But we're also not trying to kill your kids by spraying chemicals. And so it's really important, I think, for the industry overall to adapt traceability and just be open about what our practices are and why we're doing them.
And so I think that it really comes down to providing that visibility and letting people know, hey, we don't farm like we did in the 1800s, obviously. But we're also not trying to kill your kids by spraying chemicals. And so it's really important, I think, for the industry overall to adapt traceability and just be open about what our practices are and why we're doing them.
I think that can help go a long way with the change in perception of the American farmer.
I think that can help go a long way with the change in perception of the American farmer.
Brett? Yeah, I'll come at it with a continue mag perspective here. I think that the reason why ethanol, I mentioned as far as low CIs, has to go through ethanol because that's how the law is written. That's where the tax credits are going. It's only available to ethanol.
Brett? Yeah, I'll come at it with a continue mag perspective here. I think that the reason why ethanol, I mentioned as far as low CIs, has to go through ethanol because that's how the law is written. That's where the tax credits are going. It's only available to ethanol.
I like to think that the reason why ethanol is the only one is because they had the best lobbyists when they were making the law. So it just so happened that they were able to get it in. Ten years from now, I think everything's going to have a CI score. I think you're going to have low CI pork chops in the grocery store. I think you're going to have low CI steaks. I'm going to
I like to think that the reason why ethanol is the only one is because they had the best lobbyists when they were making the law. So it just so happened that they were able to get it in. Ten years from now, I think everything's going to have a CI score. I think you're going to have low CI pork chops in the grocery store. I think you're going to have low CI steaks. I'm going to
I'll bet that that's going to be the new organic, if you want to call it that. So you're going to see this new demand for low carbon everything. And all these claims of saying we've got to be carbon neutral or carbon negative or whatever the hot thing is at the moment. But that's where I think this is going. The puck is that everything, not just ethanol, is going to have a CI score attached to it.
I'll bet that that's going to be the new organic, if you want to call it that. So you're going to see this new demand for low carbon everything. And all these claims of saying we've got to be carbon neutral or carbon negative or whatever the hot thing is at the moment. But that's where I think this is going. The puck is that everything, not just ethanol, is going to have a CI score attached to it.
I'm sorry that I offered you a beer. No, that's really fine.
I'm sorry that I offered you a beer. No, that's really fine.
But she's got to like you a lot better now. Absolutely.
But she's got to like you a lot better now. Absolutely.
I think it's just you just don't drink.
I think it's just you just don't drink.
I'd just say I cut back. There you go. Exactly. I mean, I drank a lot in college, and I've cut back this summer. That's how I've lost some weight, you know, doing that. But I could do more, but... I still like the social aspect, but I've never had the, I drink 30 beers in a day or a bottle of this or that. Unless we're on a trade show trip.
I'd just say I cut back. There you go. Exactly. I mean, I drank a lot in college, and I've cut back this summer. That's how I've lost some weight, you know, doing that. But I could do more, but... I still like the social aspect, but I've never had the, I drink 30 beers in a day or a bottle of this or that. Unless we're on a trade show trip.
No, I mean, even then, like I probably had six or seven yesterday from three in the afternoon. Sure. Maybe, maybe 10 after, cause I forgot that we started so early, but like.
No, I mean, even then, like I probably had six or seven yesterday from three in the afternoon. Sure. Maybe, maybe 10 after, cause I forgot that we started so early, but like.
He didn't drink, okay, I want to test this theory here. He didn't, 27? 27, I think. He didn't drink until he was 27. Wow. Is he trustworthy? Well, like he didn't even, he wasn't even like, because this isn't part of your childhood or like coming up, like you're experimenting. Stealing beer from dad once in a while. Right, yeah.
He didn't drink, okay, I want to test this theory here. He didn't, 27? 27, I think. He didn't drink until he was 27. Wow. Is he trustworthy? Well, like he didn't even, he wasn't even like, because this isn't part of your childhood or like coming up, like you're experimenting. Stealing beer from dad once in a while. Right, yeah.
Wow.
Wow.
How does that even happen?
How does that even happen?
What is the – there's a coach for, like, not the weightlifting and training, but, like, the actual art of, like, how you move your body, like, efficiently. Is it, like, kinesiology or something like that? Oh, yeah. Yep. Do you think something like that would possibly – Yeah, it might not hurt because – Like, hey, you know, don't push so hard.
What is the – there's a coach for, like, not the weightlifting and training, but, like, the actual art of, like, how you move your body, like, efficiently. Is it, like, kinesiology or something like that? Oh, yeah. Yep. Do you think something like that would possibly – Yeah, it might not hurt because – Like, hey, you know, don't push so hard.
Most consistent podcast out there.
Most consistent podcast out there.
That's what we say. We're not the best. But you're most consistent. If we work the hardest and if you're the most consistent. Quality, timing, all that kind of stuff.
That's what we say. We're not the best. But you're most consistent. If we work the hardest and if you're the most consistent. Quality, timing, all that kind of stuff.
I think we could have a show every day if we had the time.
I think we could have a show every day if we had the time.
People have asked that. Yeah. I get asked probably once a week that we should do that. It's usually dairy farmers.
People have asked that. Yeah. I get asked probably once a week that we should do that. It's usually dairy farmers.
I think you're thinking you've got a little bit of backyard-itis going on here. We've had too much rain in Central Iowa, but I think a lot of people have gotten good rain, especially out east. A lot of places in Nebraska that didn't get hailed out had a lot of good rain that they normally don't have. So I think we have a good crop coming.
I think you're thinking you've got a little bit of backyard-itis going on here. We've had too much rain in Central Iowa, but I think a lot of people have gotten good rain, especially out east. A lot of places in Nebraska that didn't get hailed out had a lot of good rain that they normally don't have. So I think we have a good crop coming.
But for our particular backyard, we will be disappointed with our yields. Okay. I think.
But for our particular backyard, we will be disappointed with our yields. Okay. I think.
Yep. So I have three things. Okay. Real quick. Do you still hunt? I do. Awesome. You still hunt with that same gun? I do.
Yep. So I have three things. Okay. Real quick. Do you still hunt? I do. Awesome. You still hunt with that same gun? I do.
I was curious if you were sitting there, like, I might just grab that gun.
I was curious if you were sitting there, like, I might just grab that gun.
Second thing, you've got to be thinking about doing a book if you're not hungry.
Second thing, you've got to be thinking about doing a book if you're not hungry.
You know, buy a book or something like that. So I think that would be a great addition to your services. Oh, absolutely. They can patronize you on beef, though, as well. So how do they find you on the beef?
You know, buy a book or something like that. So I think that would be a great addition to your services. Oh, absolutely. They can patronize you on beef, though, as well. So how do they find you on the beef?
Is it red Angus because you have red hair?
Is it red Angus because you have red hair?
I think you should slap the label on there. Raised with one leg.
I think you should slap the label on there. Raised with one leg.
Yeah, we're not there yet. I just want to say thank you. This is going to sound bad. I'm glad you shot yourself in the foot.
Yeah, we're not there yet. I just want to say thank you. This is going to sound bad. I'm glad you shot yourself in the foot.
And I'm also glad that you picked up the speaking thing because I do know, you know, we can't maintain – Olympic status for all of our life, right? And I would hate to see what happened if you lost that.
And I'm also glad that you picked up the speaking thing because I do know, you know, we can't maintain – Olympic status for all of our life, right? And I would hate to see what happened if you lost that.
If you ever do get into long running, hook us up or hit us up because our good friend Michael Bergen, who's in Tokyo right now, would normally be here. He was an ultra marathoner.
If you ever do get into long running, hook us up or hit us up because our good friend Michael Bergen, who's in Tokyo right now, would normally be here. He was an ultra marathoner.
Those guys are insane. He could pace you and do all that kind of stuff. They're nuts.
Those guys are insane. He could pace you and do all that kind of stuff. They're nuts.
Nike contract. Farm for profit. Sponsored. Could be.
Nike contract. Farm for profit. Sponsored. Could be.
There you go. Barstool athlete. It doesn't pay very well, but hey, we're the first.
There you go. Barstool athlete. It doesn't pay very well, but hey, we're the first.
today. You're the speaker today. That's right. Tanner needs to introduce our guest here. That is our guest that you just heard. Before you do that, I want to say a big thanks to Cody Vanderholm for lining this up.
today. You're the speaker today. That's right. Tanner needs to introduce our guest here. That is our guest that you just heard. Before you do that, I want to say a big thanks to Cody Vanderholm for lining this up.
Yes. Okay. I said that key. Yes. Yeah, you did. You did. Okay. We've got some fingers, maybe. I would say he's also the best looking ginger on the podcast. I appreciate that.
Yes. Okay. I said that key. Yes. Yeah, you did. You did. Okay. We've got some fingers, maybe. I would say he's also the best looking ginger on the podcast. I appreciate that.
It's just a mustache is all it is. I do like a good mustache.
It's just a mustache is all it is. I do like a good mustache.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah. But Dominican Republic is a little closer to the equator.
Yeah. But Dominican Republic is a little closer to the equator.
I'm guessing, yeah. And I was like 100 SPF all day, every day. Huh.
I'm guessing, yeah. And I was like 100 SPF all day, every day. Huh.
So we've talked, you know, foreign trade, global economy. What we haven't talked is local economy. So we have a presidential election coming up, and we're talking about what prices might do in the future. We've kind of talked that they're down now, and we know that. How is who gets elected going to affect our fertilizer?
So we've talked, you know, foreign trade, global economy. What we haven't talked is local economy. So we have a presidential election coming up, and we're talking about what prices might do in the future. We've kind of talked that they're down now, and we know that. How is who gets elected going to affect our fertilizer?
We've recently in the U.S. seen layoffs at Kinsey, at John Deere, at other manufacturing facilities. They're predicting or their advisors are telling them the economy is not going to be as good. Do you think they were just ahead of it and made less?
We've recently in the U.S. seen layoffs at Kinsey, at John Deere, at other manufacturing facilities. They're predicting or their advisors are telling them the economy is not going to be as good. Do you think they were just ahead of it and made less?
Do you think if they, so a lot of marketing companies or sales company, they give you a reason to buy it right now. So to avoid the standoff, as you say, Josh, if they would say, let's, whatever, lower the price to where it incentivized guys like, crap, I got to go now. I got to buy this. But it's, hey, buy today or buy it before you leave and we'll give you this much of a discount.
Do you think if they, so a lot of marketing companies or sales company, they give you a reason to buy it right now. So to avoid the standoff, as you say, Josh, if they would say, let's, whatever, lower the price to where it incentivized guys like, crap, I got to go now. I got to buy this. But it's, hey, buy today or buy it before you leave and we'll give you this much of a discount.
If they did that right now and incentivized it 20%, would you think farmers... 20% would be huge. Would farmers be out there dumping the clutch even if they think it's going to be bad years in 24, 25, 26? The problem is they did this.
If they did that right now and incentivized it 20%, would you think farmers... 20% would be huge. Would farmers be out there dumping the clutch even if they think it's going to be bad years in 24, 25, 26? The problem is they did this.
So what's your thought on this? The only thing I got in my head is sustainability. We have this buzzword in agriculture, sustainability. We've talked with a gentleman out in California that said his sustainability is, can I make ends meet next year? I'm listening to this, and I'm like, why are we relying on everyone else to dictate our decision-making capability where we farm?
So what's your thought on this? The only thing I got in my head is sustainability. We have this buzzword in agriculture, sustainability. We've talked with a gentleman out in California that said his sustainability is, can I make ends meet next year? I'm listening to this, and I'm like, why are we relying on everyone else to dictate our decision-making capability where we farm?
So I'm thinking to myself, sustainability, why the hell don't we make all this stuff ourself? And I know I'm a million-dollar question here, but why are we relying on the rest of the world to make decisions for our... I mean, as a businessman, I rely on other people. other software companies, etc. But I normally vet them that they can't break on the background. This sounds like stuff's breaking.
So I'm thinking to myself, sustainability, why the hell don't we make all this stuff ourself? And I know I'm a million-dollar question here, but why are we relying on the rest of the world to make decisions for our... I mean, as a businessman, I rely on other people. other software companies, etc. But I normally vet them that they can't break on the background. This sounds like stuff's breaking.
You know how fast we could build that hospital if it wasn't for OSHA? Right. See?
You know how fast we could build that hospital if it wasn't for OSHA? Right. See?
and politics stepping in and most farmers do it they don't rely on somebody to clear the road when there's snow we all buy our own snow plows anymore we don't rely on somebody to come in and uh you know grade the road or whatever whatever it may be we try to solve our own problems even we'll have backup generators because we're non-reliant we're self-sufficient if you will and we're non-reliant on all we do but we have backups in place to cover our backsides because we have to
and politics stepping in and most farmers do it they don't rely on somebody to clear the road when there's snow we all buy our own snow plows anymore we don't rely on somebody to come in and uh you know grade the road or whatever whatever it may be we try to solve our own problems even we'll have backup generators because we're non-reliant we're self-sufficient if you will and we're non-reliant on all we do but we have backups in place to cover our backsides because we have to
Okay. So what do we have in the United States that the rest of the world needs from us? Seems like we need a lot of stuff from everyone else. Pigs. Pigs.
Okay. So what do we have in the United States that the rest of the world needs from us? Seems like we need a lot of stuff from everyone else. Pigs. Pigs.
Let's go back to your per acres. We don't care how much it costs. Are you willing to give 50 acres or 50 bushel to buy this much or 100 bushel? So any good company knows what it takes to do business. So if they know that the average farmer is willing to do 50 bushel and they're willing to go there, as their price went down, let's say their paycheck just got cut in half.
Let's go back to your per acres. We don't care how much it costs. Are you willing to give 50 acres or 50 bushel to buy this much or 100 bushel? So any good company knows what it takes to do business. So if they know that the average farmer is willing to do 50 bushel and they're willing to go there, as their price went down, let's say their paycheck just got cut in half.
If their paycheck got cut in half, eventually you'd think that the people that sell them the supplies have to also take that into consideration and say, hey,
If their paycheck got cut in half, eventually you'd think that the people that sell them the supplies have to also take that into consideration and say, hey,
50 bushels is not 50 bushels anymore now you know it takes it takes this much and that they would adjust with the market otherwise guys are just going to back off because they just can't afford it so if you take the price of a truck brand new truck for an analogy and take it to eighty thousand dollars and you cut my paycheck in half i just don't have the money to buy an eighty thousand dollar truck anymore so when do they say we still need to sell some crap let's lower the price of the truck when does that happen
50 bushels is not 50 bushels anymore now you know it takes it takes this much and that they would adjust with the market otherwise guys are just going to back off because they just can't afford it so if you take the price of a truck brand new truck for an analogy and take it to eighty thousand dollars and you cut my paycheck in half i just don't have the money to buy an eighty thousand dollar truck anymore so when do they say we still need to sell some crap let's lower the price of the truck when does that happen
If you're buying this on an operating note, interest rates are three times what they are. Just adds to it.
If you're buying this on an operating note, interest rates are three times what they are. Just adds to it.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. It's a barter system. So, Tanner, money's made in the margins as everybody battens down their hatches. Okay? Okay. All I've heard over the past months is we're going to back off. It's not in the cards this year. We're not going to put tile in. We're not going to do that.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. It's a barter system. So, Tanner, money's made in the margins as everybody battens down their hatches. Okay? Okay. All I've heard over the past months is we're going to back off. It's not in the cards this year. We're not going to put tile in. We're not going to do that.
Is fertilizer ever in the discussion that that's the card we pull out of the deck that we say we're not going to do?
Is fertilizer ever in the discussion that that's the card we pull out of the deck that we say we're not going to do?
best to them i don't think that's the right advice so it happens i want to leave it on a positive note because we've given a whole lot of negative people were already negative that uh the market sucks and we kind of just told them it's going to suck some more so what's the positive here what's the what's the pull away i think going to tanner saying you know throwing that blanket statement of oh they're mining the soil and all that
best to them i don't think that's the right advice so it happens i want to leave it on a positive note because we've given a whole lot of negative people were already negative that uh the market sucks and we kind of just told them it's going to suck some more so what's the positive here what's the what's the pull away i think going to tanner saying you know throwing that blanket statement of oh they're mining the soil and all that
I can go to soybeans and be fine. And if markets are cyclical, then we're gambling, as we always do, that it's going to come back the other direction, and then we'll make up our margin then.
I can go to soybeans and be fine. And if markets are cyclical, then we're gambling, as we always do, that it's going to come back the other direction, and then we'll make up our margin then.
Other than selling assets, we've seen some dealerships that are liquidating some of their on-site inventory to take debt off the books. How do farmers take debt off the books? Other than selling assets? Other than selling assets. File for bankruptcy? Sell land. Well, that land's an asset.
Other than selling assets, we've seen some dealerships that are liquidating some of their on-site inventory to take debt off the books. How do farmers take debt off the books? Other than selling assets? Other than selling assets. File for bankruptcy? Sell land. Well, that land's an asset.
Okay, so do they sell more corn at a lower rate just to take the debt away so they don't have to borrow money on an operating note?
Okay, so do they sell more corn at a lower rate just to take the debt away so they don't have to borrow money on an operating note?
Because nobody ever said interest rates are king. It's always cash is king.
Because nobody ever said interest rates are king. It's always cash is king.
One thing you're going to have to preface with this one from a guy that's in the same spot as Josh works a lot. I wonder if your job depends on this question. And the reason I say that, having been a firefighter, I could shut the mind off on firefighting immediately. But now working a job in sales where you eat what you kill, If I don't kill it, family doesn't eat.
One thing you're going to have to preface with this one from a guy that's in the same spot as Josh works a lot. I wonder if your job depends on this question. And the reason I say that, having been a firefighter, I could shut the mind off on firefighting immediately. But now working a job in sales where you eat what you kill, If I don't kill it, family doesn't eat.
It changes that perspective of how much I want to work. And I've had others that are realtors that I've tried to book deals with, and they're like, my client wants to do a call on Sunday afternoon. He's like, I don't make calls on Sunday afternoon. I'm like, well, I need to because this is a $4.2 million deal, and I need it.
It changes that perspective of how much I want to work. And I've had others that are realtors that I've tried to book deals with, and they're like, my client wants to do a call on Sunday afternoon. He's like, I don't make calls on Sunday afternoon. I'm like, well, I need to because this is a $4.2 million deal, and I need it.
And so respecting others' boundaries of where they are, I was very frustrated. Like, dude, we need to put this together. He's like, I don't make calls on Sunday. I get it. But then him also respecting my side of, I need this because I still got to feed the family. So there's a fine line there in the middle.
And so respecting others' boundaries of where they are, I was very frustrated. Like, dude, we need to put this together. He's like, I don't make calls on Sunday. I get it. But then him also respecting my side of, I need this because I still got to feed the family. So there's a fine line there in the middle.
So, non-related to fertilizer, question for you. I did a charity auction last night. And when we're all talking doom and gloom, and I hear a lot of that chatter coming in this way, that market's bad, market sucks, etc. I did a charity auction last night, and we raised a half a million dollars in less than an hour. And it's the highest amount they've ever raised.
So, non-related to fertilizer, question for you. I did a charity auction last night. And when we're all talking doom and gloom, and I hear a lot of that chatter coming in this way, that market's bad, market sucks, etc. I did a charity auction last night, and we raised a half a million dollars in less than an hour. And it's the highest amount they've ever raised.
And people just freely gave, here's 20 grand, here's 30 grand, here's 10 grand, et cetera, et cetera, like it's nothing. There's a lot of money out there. You know, I always say markets are emotion. Their emotion was great. They're ready to give. The emotion in agriculture right now just stinks. How do we change the emotion?
And people just freely gave, here's 20 grand, here's 30 grand, here's 10 grand, et cetera, et cetera, like it's nothing. There's a lot of money out there. You know, I always say markets are emotion. Their emotion was great. They're ready to give. The emotion in agriculture right now just stinks. How do we change the emotion?
Oh, we could.
Oh, we could.
Write in and let us know what their answer to that is. I think Farm for Profit is going to come up with mini crystal balls, except they're going to be cloudy. And we'll just sell them to you. And if anybody asks what we're supposed to do, here you need one of our swag gifts.
Write in and let us know what their answer to that is. I think Farm for Profit is going to come up with mini crystal balls, except they're going to be cloudy. And we'll just sell them to you. And if anybody asks what we're supposed to do, here you need one of our swag gifts.
Really? What? Yeah. Yeah. You've got to YouTube it.
Really? What? Yeah. Yeah. You've got to YouTube it.
How do you know what bale is better than the next? There's order buyers just like cattle, but Google Sandy Houston. Sandy Houston, world champion tobacco auctioneer, and they draw out everything. It's like, oh, American, Sean, Sean. It's different. It's different, but... Let's get back on task.
How do you know what bale is better than the next? There's order buyers just like cattle, but Google Sandy Houston. Sandy Houston, world champion tobacco auctioneer, and they draw out everything. It's like, oh, American, Sean, Sean. It's different. It's different, but... Let's get back on task.
Let's do a whole show on that. Tanner, Corey came out to my farm the other day. We were doing some yield estimates, and we were talking about the state of the economy right now. And, man, our farmland price is coming down as number one. I wish our table had a crystal ball right here because that's what everybody wants.
Let's do a whole show on that. Tanner, Corey came out to my farm the other day. We were doing some yield estimates, and we were talking about the state of the economy right now. And, man, our farmland price is coming down as number one. I wish our table had a crystal ball right here because that's what everybody wants.
We need one. We need one. And mine's just as blurry as everybody else. We started talking even next year already and decisions for what we're going to do next year. And that got us right into the conversation of where our prices for seed, where our prices for fertilizer. And Corey, you mentioned to me that it was trending that fertilizer isn't backing off. What are cash rents going to do?
We need one. We need one. And mine's just as blurry as everybody else. We started talking even next year already and decisions for what we're going to do next year. And that got us right into the conversation of where our prices for seed, where our prices for fertilizer. And Corey, you mentioned to me that it was trending that fertilizer isn't backing off. What are cash rents going to do?
You know, we made comments about that. It's getting tougher. We are backwards.
You know, we made comments about that. It's getting tougher. We are backwards.
I know I made the argument with a lot of people last year. They said, Oh, we should lower cash rents because commodity prices came down. But the counter argument as a farm manager was, well, the fertilizer and input prices are down as well. So although commodities came down, it was, you know, fractional together. So we just kept cash rent the same.
I know I made the argument with a lot of people last year. They said, Oh, we should lower cash rents because commodity prices came down. But the counter argument as a farm manager was, well, the fertilizer and input prices are down as well. So although commodities came down, it was, you know, fractional together. So we just kept cash rent the same.
Now next year, I've already heard people talking about lowering cash rents. Well, we're,
Now next year, I've already heard people talking about lowering cash rents. Well, we're,
So help me understand, Josh. I thought, going back as I was studying Russia, Ukraine, that we get some from them, but the U.S. has all the capabilities to produce this. They just don't because of some kind of government sanctions. Maybe we did a podcast on that. Did we not? I don't know how close we got to that. That there were some government sanctions, but basically we could get it out of Canada.
So help me understand, Josh. I thought, going back as I was studying Russia, Ukraine, that we get some from them, but the U.S. has all the capabilities to produce this. They just don't because of some kind of government sanctions. Maybe we did a podcast on that. Did we not? I don't know how close we got to that. That there were some government sanctions, but basically we could get it out of Canada.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Dave's in the studio.
And Dave's in the studio.
Oh, I was on vacation for a little while.
Oh, I was on vacation for a little while.
And for those that don't know myself, what happened?
And for those that don't know myself, what happened?
All summer long. That's all you do is just vacation all summer. Hey, that's what the farmers do.
All summer long. That's all you do is just vacation all summer. Hey, that's what the farmers do.
As we do these segments in the fall, that doesn't mean that this is the only time or the best time for your operation to apply your nitrogen, right?
As we do these segments in the fall, that doesn't mean that this is the only time or the best time for your operation to apply your nitrogen, right?
So if our listeners want to learn more about Instink and Inserve, how best do they do that?
So if our listeners want to learn more about Instink and Inserve, how best do they do that?
Thanks for joining us, Taylor.
Thanks for joining us, Taylor.
Right, we get to have an exciting conversation about innovation in agriculture, and I think that's one of the things that is the important reason we're here with John Deere.
Right, we get to have an exciting conversation about innovation in agriculture, and I think that's one of the things that is the important reason we're here with John Deere.
We get to have these conversations, provide us the opportunity to share with our listeners some of the latest maybe tips, tools, techniques that are going to help their farm either make more money or protect them on the downside. And I'm excited here to introduce who's become a friend of mine over the last couple of months, Mr. Billy Rose.
We get to have these conversations, provide us the opportunity to share with our listeners some of the latest maybe tips, tools, techniques that are going to help their farm either make more money or protect them on the downside. And I'm excited here to introduce who's become a friend of mine over the last couple of months, Mr. Billy Rose.
He is chairman and CEO of a company that I think is going to become a household name within most of these farm households. Welcome to the podcast.
He is chairman and CEO of a company that I think is going to become a household name within most of these farm households. Welcome to the podcast.
Especially at today's prices. So Randy, if our listeners don't remember who you are, why don't you give a little bit of background as to who Randy is?
Especially at today's prices. So Randy, if our listeners don't remember who you are, why don't you give a little bit of background as to who Randy is?
Ties back to Iowa. I thought you were going to say, lo and behold, he didn't build the manufacturing plant, he built a ball diamond.
Ties back to Iowa. I thought you were going to say, lo and behold, he didn't build the manufacturing plant, he built a ball diamond.
That was Billy's field of dreams. Yeah, there is your tie to agriculture right there.
That was Billy's field of dreams. Yeah, there is your tie to agriculture right there.
Yeah, there you go. Plead the fifth. Oh, that's cool. So that's the base. But then how did you grow up and get into the business and entrepreneurial spirit that you're in?
Yeah, there you go. Plead the fifth. Oh, that's cool. So that's the base. But then how did you grow up and get into the business and entrepreneurial spirit that you're in?
So you have had this passion from the beginning as you've built all these companies.
So you have had this passion from the beginning as you've built all these companies.
So, Dave, you're first field, right? You picked a hybrid because one of your friends told you to plant that hybrid.
So, Dave, you're first field, right? You picked a hybrid because one of your friends told you to plant that hybrid.
Well, it potentially would if everybody starts doing the same thing. But that means everybody's got to be doing that. That's the same thing as this technology curve you've seen in hybrid selection. But if we have 10% of the farmers running the yield optimizer, 10% of the farmers are going to have the yield advantage based upon this model. But I did like your question.
Well, it potentially would if everybody starts doing the same thing. But that means everybody's got to be doing that. That's the same thing as this technology curve you've seen in hybrid selection. But if we have 10% of the farmers running the yield optimizer, 10% of the farmers are going to have the yield advantage based upon this model. But I did like your question.
What a great feeling you would have is if you dropped your pin, pulled up their tool, and all of a sudden your seed guy gave you the best hybrid option within that. How much more confidence do you have in that partner? Correct.
What a great feeling you would have is if you dropped your pin, pulled up their tool, and all of a sudden your seed guy gave you the best hybrid option within that. How much more confidence do you have in that partner? Correct.
Yeah, that would handle a lot of grain and provide a lot of options, too, because we've talked about the profitability that elevators have when they have the ability to blend. And Corey's already given a testament to what it's done for his farm, having the ability to blend as well.
Yeah, that would handle a lot of grain and provide a lot of options, too, because we've talked about the profitability that elevators have when they have the ability to blend. And Corey's already given a testament to what it's done for his farm, having the ability to blend as well.
It's finding it hard to lose. I mean, I understand this is a cost service that our listeners are going to, if they're interested in using, it's going to be an additional cost. But it comes with that backstop, the ability to guarantee that yield gap. And also, you just talked about a dividend. So just like you said, if I wanted to test and maybe switch hybrids on a field, I now have the data.
It's finding it hard to lose. I mean, I understand this is a cost service that our listeners are going to, if they're interested in using, it's going to be an additional cost. But it comes with that backstop, the ability to guarantee that yield gap. And also, you just talked about a dividend. So just like you said, if I wanted to test and maybe switch hybrids on a field, I now have the data.
And maybe I do more than 20 acres and I put it into 80, which ends up being a better investment for me. And I end up doing it in 300 of my 1,000 acres because I've got the test plot data. I want to go back to how you talked about the test plots because that's the data that's going to matter. Dave says it all the time.
And maybe I do more than 20 acres and I put it into 80, which ends up being a better investment for me. And I end up doing it in 300 of my 1,000 acres because I've got the test plot data. I want to go back to how you talked about the test plots because that's the data that's going to matter. Dave says it all the time.
Data is the currency, and you can't have funny money when you're trying to make decisions.
Data is the currency, and you can't have funny money when you're trying to make decisions.
Well, Corey, we had Todd Dillon here from Estes Concaves to talk to us about getting our combine set for wheat harvest, small grains. Yep. Let's do the same thing for soybean.
Well, Corey, we had Todd Dillon here from Estes Concaves to talk to us about getting our combine set for wheat harvest, small grains. Yep. Let's do the same thing for soybean.
If our listeners want to learn more about the XPR3s and what you guys have in store, how best do they look you up?
If our listeners want to learn more about the XPR3s and what you guys have in store, how best do they look you up?
I didn't know you had access to that.
I didn't know you had access to that.
Yeah, that's the fun part when we got to talk to you down at Tech Hub Live. Corey was trying to shoot holes in it too. We're both very good at challenging. Dave's almost better than we are at challenging the process. And so far, I appreciate the answers that you've given because one of the things that we were talking about is how wet this spring was. Oh, mercy.
Yeah, that's the fun part when we got to talk to you down at Tech Hub Live. Corey was trying to shoot holes in it too. We're both very good at challenging. Dave's almost better than we are at challenging the process. And so far, I appreciate the answers that you've given because one of the things that we were talking about is how wet this spring was. Oh, mercy.
And if you were planning on planting corn and it just didn't end up working for you and you had to go get a bean hybrid, just like you said, The seed dealer might not have access to all the bean hybrid choices you did at the beginning of the order season.
And if you were planning on planting corn and it just didn't end up working for you and you had to go get a bean hybrid, just like you said, The seed dealer might not have access to all the bean hybrid choices you did at the beginning of the order season.
Say it again because that is amazing.
Say it again because that is amazing.
So have you had customers pairing this with different crop insurance guarantee levels? Sure.
So have you had customers pairing this with different crop insurance guarantee levels? Sure.
So, Tanner... I want to keep staying on the crop insurance topic for my next question, that we could buy up to 85%. Have you had clients that are buying lower crop insurance coverage... And use you for more. Because of... This, being able to partner with it, are they able to buy down to 70% or 75%?
So, Tanner... I want to keep staying on the crop insurance topic for my next question, that we could buy up to 85%. Have you had clients that are buying lower crop insurance coverage... And use you for more. Because of... This, being able to partner with it, are they able to buy down to 70% or 75%?
Yep. Dropped to 75%. All day long. Might still only have 10% risk. A little band. Out there. Right. But I've insured another 25 on top of that. Or 15. I'm sorry, 15 on top of that.
Yep. Dropped to 75%. All day long. Might still only have 10% risk. A little band. Out there. Right. But I've insured another 25 on top of that. Or 15. I'm sorry, 15 on top of that.
So that could be a way for our listeners to save a little money and not give up a lot of risk protection.
So that could be a way for our listeners to save a little money and not give up a lot of risk protection.
Absolutely. If you can guarantee revenue, you're going to get credit for it. If you've already got bushels sold, I'm going to give you the sold price versus the current market price, whether the price is higher or lower. At least that's the way I would operate to make sure that we had an accurate depiction of what your crop was valued at.
Absolutely. If you can guarantee revenue, you're going to get credit for it. If you've already got bushels sold, I'm going to give you the sold price versus the current market price, whether the price is higher or lower. At least that's the way I would operate to make sure that we had an accurate depiction of what your crop was valued at.
There's probably going to be a lot of financing questions, Billy, coming up here in the next six months.
There's probably going to be a lot of financing questions, Billy, coming up here in the next six months.
Having some AcreShield protection is going to be beneficial in those conversations.
Having some AcreShield protection is going to be beneficial in those conversations.
Yeah, I've had this conversation with Billy a couple of times, and Corey's had it once before. So I appreciate your perspective on trying to make sure our listeners who get their first exposure to AcreShield have a good base knowledge as far as this goes. But I've known Billy longer than just AcreShield, and he's constantly innovating. So I want to know what's down the pipe.
Yeah, I've had this conversation with Billy a couple of times, and Corey's had it once before. So I appreciate your perspective on trying to make sure our listeners who get their first exposure to AcreShield have a good base knowledge as far as this goes. But I've known Billy longer than just AcreShield, and he's constantly innovating. So I want to know what's down the pipe.
What's coming down the road?
What's coming down the road?
And what has the least amount of research unbiasedly associated with it.
And what has the least amount of research unbiasedly associated with it.
We get it. It's the most requested of us. The number of companies that want to advertise with Farm for Profit that are a biological company by nature.
We get it. It's the most requested of us. The number of companies that want to advertise with Farm for Profit that are a biological company by nature.
I know. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we've turned them all down.
I know. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we've turned them all down.
So in your 24 years, is this something that you've seen happen over and over? They find a product that gets used on a frequent basis and want to add their touch and bring that quality of service to the customer?
So in your 24 years, is this something that you've seen happen over and over? They find a product that gets used on a frequent basis and want to add their touch and bring that quality of service to the customer?
Well, considering you're talking to a man who built and sold a crop insurance company, I think he knows that's a competitive advantage.
Well, considering you're talking to a man who built and sold a crop insurance company, I think he knows that's a competitive advantage.
Yeah, how could we do that appropriately? I don't know. Well, Billy, this is something that you and I have talked about doing for quite a while. And I'm glad we got to do it in the environment that we did. The energy here is second to none. whether the audience sat and stayed forever or it's 95 degrees outside. Yeah, not quite 90 degrees yet. Still warm.
Yeah, how could we do that appropriately? I don't know. Well, Billy, this is something that you and I have talked about doing for quite a while. And I'm glad we got to do it in the environment that we did. The energy here is second to none. whether the audience sat and stayed forever or it's 95 degrees outside. Yeah, not quite 90 degrees yet. Still warm.
So put you literally on the hot seat, and we're going to do that with our last question. We like to frame up and try to put a summary together to help our audience with things that they're struggling with, and one of that is knowing that they are doing okay as a family man or just in life in general. So how do you juggle the activities of work and personal life?
So put you literally on the hot seat, and we're going to do that with our last question. We like to frame up and try to put a summary together to help our audience with things that they're struggling with, and one of that is knowing that they are doing okay as a family man or just in life in general. So how do you juggle the activities of work and personal life?
That's why this question doesn't have the word balance in it.
That's why this question doesn't have the word balance in it.
we've chosen to use the word juggle because i don't feel it needs to be 50 50 no it does not work and it might be 60 40 for one person and flip to 60 40 for the next so you only juggle two you got two in the air at same time i got i'm juggling like 45 i mean there's like there's a bunch in the air because i only got two hands that's right but do you do you ever let me ask you guys a question do you feel like this is work not today
we've chosen to use the word juggle because i don't feel it needs to be 50 50 no it does not work and it might be 60 40 for one person and flip to 60 40 for the next so you only juggle two you got two in the air at same time i got i'm juggling like 45 i mean there's like there's a bunch in the air because i only got two hands that's right but do you do you ever let me ask you guys a question do you feel like this is work not today
We'll be at the same time. All right. We're there. That's good. Thanks again for hanging out with us. If they want to learn more about you guys, how do they do that?
We'll be at the same time. All right. We're there. That's good. Thanks again for hanging out with us. If they want to learn more about you guys, how do they do that?
Yeah, that's the same thing we ask of our listeners. We appreciate them at all times. They can always send us guest ideas just like you, Billy, and we encourage them to tell their friends, so. Thanks again for hanging out with us.
Yeah, that's the same thing we ask of our listeners. We appreciate them at all times. They can always send us guest ideas just like you, Billy, and we encourage them to tell their friends, so. Thanks again for hanging out with us.
Yeah, integration's definitely leading in agriculture right now. It is. Yeah, it is. One thing that I was jealous of, having sat at the booth for years with you, is the paddle sweep. Because I've swept...
Yeah, integration's definitely leading in agriculture right now. It is. Yeah, it is. One thing that I was jealous of, having sat at the booth for years with you, is the paddle sweep. Because I've swept...
Hey, listeners, welcome back to the Farm for Profit podcast. It's great to be back with some representatives from Sukup. We've got Randy here, the material handling sales director, and we're going to dive deep into the title just to make sure everybody is clear as to what he understands. But, no, it's a pleasure to have you back on the podcast. Welcome back, Randy.
Hey, listeners, welcome back to the Farm for Profit podcast. It's great to be back with some representatives from Sukup. We've got Randy here, the material handling sales director, and we're going to dive deep into the title just to make sure everybody is clear as to what he understands. But, no, it's a pleasure to have you back on the podcast. Welcome back, Randy.
Yeah, it is. It's something, like I said, when I first mentioned it, I'm very jealous of because no matter it seems like if it's in January or it's in June, that's still a job that sucks.
Yeah, it is. It's something, like I said, when I first mentioned it, I'm very jealous of because no matter it seems like if it's in January or it's in June, that's still a job that sucks.
But Corey, it's a testament. It's not just commercial use only. This is for a regular farm.
But Corey, it's a testament. It's not just commercial use only. This is for a regular farm.
What a beautiful day to have an interview to learn more about what's available, what's cutting edge and new for farmers this fall when it comes to grain handling. But material handling in the title means it's not just corn and soybeans that souk up. equipment handles, right?
What a beautiful day to have an interview to learn more about what's available, what's cutting edge and new for farmers this fall when it comes to grain handling. But material handling in the title means it's not just corn and soybeans that souk up. equipment handles, right?
So I've tapered into that triple run conveyor because that to me sounds like a misleading title. It doesn't move three different directions, right?
So I've tapered into that triple run conveyor because that to me sounds like a misleading title. It doesn't move three different directions, right?
That sounds like the common issue our listeners have, just like you, Corey. You get an upgraded combine, but then you have to size everything else after the combine to make sure that that extra capacity is being utilized.
That sounds like the common issue our listeners have, just like you, Corey. You get an upgraded combine, but then you have to size everything else after the combine to make sure that that extra capacity is being utilized.
Remember, you're going to go stand next to the paddle sweep, and you're going to work on commission there.
Remember, you're going to go stand next to the paddle sweep, and you're going to work on commission there.
That's right. So if our listeners want to inquire about products, how best do they look you guys up?
That's right. So if our listeners want to inquire about products, how best do they look you guys up?
Yeah. It's time for a Nitrogen News Minute. I'm happy to have Taylor Ferguson here, Nutrient Maximizer Strategic Account Manager. Welcome.
Yeah. It's time for a Nitrogen News Minute. I'm happy to have Taylor Ferguson here, Nutrient Maximizer Strategic Account Manager. Welcome.
I love how you're bringing benefits to our audience. You are trying to maximize their nitrogen application, making sure that it's all going to be here next spring. We've already talked a little bit about what applications we can include the products in on. You last gave us a little tip on how we are going to make sure our equipment's ready and what weather we need to be paying attention to.
I love how you're bringing benefits to our audience. You are trying to maximize their nitrogen application, making sure that it's all going to be here next spring. We've already talked a little bit about what applications we can include the products in on. You last gave us a little tip on how we are going to make sure our equipment's ready and what weather we need to be paying attention to.
What do we need to think about next?
What do we need to think about next?
So, Corey, to make decisions on your farm for next year, I'm looking at what we did last year and how the product was last year. And then we make decisions on how we can change on your farm. What is something you want to change next year in your decision-making?
So, Corey, to make decisions on your farm for next year, I'm looking at what we did last year and how the product was last year. And then we make decisions on how we can change on your farm. What is something you want to change next year in your decision-making?
Well, I think moving forward, back to your dad, saving $18,000, we only can make so much product. So when we try to make more money, we have a couple ways to do that. Make more product, which I think we're there where we're making it. It might be reduced on the other side or become more efficient. So that's where your dad was becoming more efficient with the things that he could control.
Well, I think moving forward, back to your dad, saving $18,000, we only can make so much product. So when we try to make more money, we have a couple ways to do that. Make more product, which I think we're there where we're making it. It might be reduced on the other side or become more efficient. So that's where your dad was becoming more efficient with the things that he could control.
I didn't. I still didn't understand it. All right.
I didn't. I still didn't understand it. All right.
Okay.
Okay.
You know how they always have seed coating? Why don't they just coat it in fertilizer?
You know how they always have seed coating? Why don't they just coat it in fertilizer?
So you guys talked about management. Let's talk about managing money. Corey's told me it's cheaper to put anhydrous on in the fall than to split it up. But to keep nitrogen in my soil, we're thinking of splitting it up and putting multiple passes. Any advice for a grower?
So you guys talked about management. Let's talk about managing money. Corey's told me it's cheaper to put anhydrous on in the fall than to split it up. But to keep nitrogen in my soil, we're thinking of splitting it up and putting multiple passes. Any advice for a grower?
that is trying to be cognizant of money because, man, I'd like to go with what seems to be proven and a little bit more cost effective, but to go the other way.
that is trying to be cognizant of money because, man, I'd like to go with what seems to be proven and a little bit more cost effective, but to go the other way.
But there's listeners in the same boat as me.
But there's listeners in the same boat as me.
Not to derail us at all, tell me if we're going off pace. You said that bacteria can sometimes hinder that stabilizer product. But some people are putting microbiologics and bacteria on the field. Is it, being a pharmacist here, is using two drugs together bad? I mean, if we use... If we're using microbiologics and we're using a stabilizer, is that bad together?
Not to derail us at all, tell me if we're going off pace. You said that bacteria can sometimes hinder that stabilizer product. But some people are putting microbiologics and bacteria on the field. Is it, being a pharmacist here, is using two drugs together bad? I mean, if we use... If we're using microbiologics and we're using a stabilizer, is that bad together?
See, I think I was making decisions when we realized that we were losing nitrogen last year. When we realized that, I was already trying to take corrective actions of how do we fix that from drain tile to do we do different decisions for anhydrous? So the decision-making process for 2025 actually started for me before we even harvested the blooming corn.
See, I think I was making decisions when we realized that we were losing nitrogen last year. When we realized that, I was already trying to take corrective actions of how do we fix that from drain tile to do we do different decisions for anhydrous? So the decision-making process for 2025 actually started for me before we even harvested the blooming corn.
I'm probably anomaly there. Cause I bet you 90% of our listeners slash growers, uh, they, they're, they're as big or bigger in equipment than you.
I'm probably anomaly there. Cause I bet you 90% of our listeners slash growers, uh, they, they're, they're as big or bigger in equipment than you.
So they, they're probably going to have the, so now you go Corey's way, then you're putting it two by two by two. Is there any, something else that Corey can do? Oh, yeah.
So they, they're probably going to have the, so now you go Corey's way, then you're putting it two by two by two. Is there any, something else that Corey can do? Oh, yeah.
What does date night with you look like? What was that word?
What does date night with you look like? What was that word?
I don't even know.
I don't even know.
So you had a bunch of college kids come out. Do you think you do a better job doing it yourself than... Than a bunch of college kids?
So you had a bunch of college kids come out. Do you think you do a better job doing it yourself than... Than a bunch of college kids?
That came out and sprayed.
That came out and sprayed.
Both, both.
Both, both.
No. Well, I'm going to say even though the – I'm just saying if it's attention to detail, yeah.
No. Well, I'm going to say even though the – I'm just saying if it's attention to detail, yeah.
That's corn and soybeans. What about wheat, canola? Um, I said typical corn and soybeans. I know. I'm just curious. Do they, do they do products like that?
That's corn and soybeans. What about wheat, canola? Um, I said typical corn and soybeans. I know. I'm just curious. Do they, do they do products like that?
How many passes have you made now? Five? Well, you're pre-
How many passes have you made now? Five? Well, you're pre-
So six.
So six.
Okay.
Okay.
I was hoping to learn by the end what all this technology is, because we keep using the word technology. Well, there's technology in this, okay? And every time I want to ask a question, well, stop, hold on. What does it do? What does it do? And tell me why it's good. So hopefully through the process of the partnership, we can answer that for all the listeners, is not just another product, but...
I was hoping to learn by the end what all this technology is, because we keep using the word technology. Well, there's technology in this, okay? And every time I want to ask a question, well, stop, hold on. What does it do? What does it do? And tell me why it's good. So hopefully through the process of the partnership, we can answer that for all the listeners, is not just another product, but...
Hey, there's technology in it. I keep hearing this word. That's great. Does the technology make me money? We're farm for profit. I need to be profitable. So I want to correlate the profit to the technology.
Hey, there's technology in it. I keep hearing this word. That's great. Does the technology make me money? We're farm for profit. I need to be profitable. So I want to correlate the profit to the technology.
Stay tuned.
Stay tuned.
Maybe a cat. Maybe not.
Maybe a cat. Maybe not.
So this is episode one of tailgate talks with Corey. Okay.
So this is episode one of tailgate talks with Corey. Okay.
Oh, man, right there.
Oh, man, right there.
Corey's here. And Dave's in the studio as well.
Corey's here. And Dave's in the studio as well.
No, it's the tripod.
No, it's the tripod.
You can do that on Spotify. You can go in a lot of different directions. One and a half X. How do you say that word, concierge? Concierge? Concierge. You are the content concierge. That's what you are.
You can do that on Spotify. You can go in a lot of different directions. One and a half X. How do you say that word, concierge? Concierge? Concierge. You are the content concierge. That's what you are.
He's the guy that makes sure all the partners. He's the guy that direct connects to all the partners. You're the concierge.
He's the guy that makes sure all the partners. He's the guy that direct connects to all the partners. You're the concierge.
There's a G in there.
There's a G in there.
With an E. With an E. Okay.
With an E. With an E. Okay.
That'd be fun.
Where'd you hear that? Where'd you hear that? I think I saw it on TikTok, actually.
Love it.
I don't even know if it's female, Corey, right now, because when I get to go speak at schools, there's a lot of young people that want to be farmers, and I keep telling them there's no entitlement there. Nobody said you get to farm. This is an expensive game. And so people look at it like, oh, well, you just get a farm.
if your family wasn't in it to start with, I make this statement, I made it a lot. It is very hard barrier to entry to get into it. So luckily your family was in farming. You were able to do it. Your family was in farming. You were able to do it. I've been trying to get into it and I have to buy my way in, you know, just make a lot of money and try and buy my way in and learn everything you can.
You're quickly learning. Like I don't even make any money. And it's not going to do it. So, but there's a lot of, I think young folks out there that would, see the dream of farming, but maybe their family's not in it or their parents didn't set them up the same. Mine didn't.
Doesn't mean that I'm entitled that I should get to farm or be jealous of you guys that that's what your family helped you with or provided just by being born in that deal. Not that they gave it to you. They didn't just say, here's the farm, but there's a little bit of it's really tough to get in if your family's not in it. So I think some of the haters might...
Not me clued into that, you know, thinking about that holistically. They're just like, oh, I want what they have.
Taxes. They're like, oh, that guy doesn't pay any taxes. Actually, he just has a really good tax accountant. He's really smart.
to you know decipher right we just got to figure it out like you got to be smart and figure it out so did you start the influencer side of the world because you just like to be on socials or because you wanted to some some gals that we've interviewed want to be like oh i want to encourage young women to do this is that your thing or is it just i'm just talking about my farm period
I think of like the, if we had a woman president, he'd be the first, first man, you know, like the first lady. Like, I don't know that anybody wants to be the first, first man.
But so your, your husband is in this, like my wife's into cattle and I always, that's her thing. She really likes the cattle. So every time we go to a conversation. Somebody will say like, oh, hey, what bloodlines do you have? What breeding? And I totally like delay the conversation. I've tried actively to not learn the genetics because that's her thing. She really wants to talk about it.
So then I just kind of look to her and they let her answer the first question. Then they look back at me and they ask me another question. And then by about the third time I delay to her. They're like, oh, she's the one I'm having the conversation with. And then I walk away because she likes that. She really likes to talk cattle. You and your husband have something like that? Is he into farming?
Does he feel jealous that you're the attention of the deal?
He's a techie, right?
So, like, vice versa, you're fiancé now.
Fiancé now, and you have a farm together, but you guys kind of both geek out on it together. Like, you're into cattle, he's into cattle.
Make decisions together, you know.
Well, like buying a farm, that's a lot of money.
Do you guys have, like, your sides, I say sides of the beds, you have your space that you...
Do you ever wish that Tanner was more involved?
Is your Rachel, is she involved in the decision-making? I mean, we sold a farm for you, and I'm thinking, Rachel signed the papers.
Like, what am I signing here? Like, what am I signing here?
we should probably just like let her know that changes throughout the years when we were first married like big purchase was like okay a couple thousand dollars yeah and now like my wife will go spend 10 grand and not consult with me and it's like changes so i would say the harder on on our side of the things is it's just to make sure that you're supporting your spouse right like because you don't necessarily understand it like you would like oh yeah he's gonna go buy this yeah
Expensive bowl. And that's what I did even with the cattle side. I don't want to know the genetics. That's her game. But she wants me to carry the equipment. But we all know our space. I'm the guy that's supposed to drive the truck, get her there. And then it's her game. And I just put the equipment together. And then I go find a drink or something.
And maybe you told me early on that like your wife wasn't used to the schedule of what a farm does. So when it came harvest time, it's like it took a little learning curve to say, this is when I'm... That's why you date for a while before... This is my busy season. Did you have that? Is there like a learning curve for Tanner that...
But you guys work away from each other every week, don't you?
So let's talk about your operation. You're corn and beans. You're in Ohio. You took over Dad's and expanding more. What's the future? What's the 2026 Zoe, Farming with Zoe, look like?
That was amazing, the difference.
If you're not farming for profit, you won't be farming for long.
So which videos do better? The ones where you spill corn all over the side of the bins or the ones where you're like, hey, I just made a bunch of money with fungicide. Do you like to show the negatives just as much as the positives?
I think it's the best. Corey got me farming, and I made mistakes in the field planting this year to where I finally just broke down. I'm like, I got to call him. I got to call him. And I probably blew up his phone like a teenage schoolgirl. But we got it done, and he was able to advise me over the phone, and he fixed it in like 10 seconds. Like, son of a buck.
This is tough for me. I was telling you guys this.
This is tough for me. So I have employees, and I want them to be self-thinkers. Figure out the problem. Figure out the problem. And I say, look, I don't want to micromanage, so here, I need this done. Figure out the problem. And they've been going to chat. They've been going to Google. They try to figure it out. And then I come in, and like, how long has it taken you to do this one thing?
Oh, it's three days later, and they're still working on it, haven't figured it out. And I'm like, why didn't you guys call me? If you'd have called me, it's right here. It's in this file. It's right here. And we could have answered it. So there's a fine line where I want them to not ask for help and figure it out themselves. But I don't want them to waste time either.
So I want to just, if it's taking you too long or you can't figure it out, just call me. I don't know where the line is.
So have you farmed with the tile in the ground yet?
Did you see a yield bump?
How many decisions in farming are made based on time frame?
We gave you this sweet sweater.
tenant but but here's the thing if my dad paid for it he would just jack up the rent more to pay for it so i'm paying for it i think most of the tenants ask the landlord to do it first off they say hey good land stewardship this would help us do better on your field now who gets the benefit off of it is normally the tenant so there's a cost share there if they have a multiple year agreement if they have a three or five year agreement i see more of the tenants putting it in
If it's not, the tenants are asking the landlord. I have lots of tenants that say they ask the landlord. Where I get on the backside is, who owns the data then? Because then I have the tenants put it in. They're like, well, we're not sharing that data with you when we go to sell it. Versus if the landlord has it, then they have the maps. They have the, you know.
Yeah, correct. Four or five years.
I think the discussion really needs to be not that I want to put tile in to make more money. The land stewardship conversation is we can do a better job farming your farm as a tenant. I think lots of the landlords want to hear that conversation.
If the tenant's telling me we need this and we need it for conservation, for land stewardship, we're in with NRCS, it seems to get buy-in a whole lot more than I just want to make more money, which is a benefit off of it, though.
And it does improve their ground. And if you can get... That statement out there, it does bring $1,000 an acre if it's pattern tiled, probably. $1,000 more. Yeah.
But at least you've just increased your worth. And it's a great write-off.
Going back to the female attribute, is there a time frame for our female listeners, is there a time frame that it took you to earn respect in the community is the question. The reason I bring it up, my wife worked for Capital City, and I think, I told her, I think it takes four or five years before people are going to give you the credit.
But, like, I'll say, like – But when you go to the seed dealer or the – you're the person making the decision.
Does your dad do that as you're taking over, you know, as operations? You're kind of managing there, making decisions on seed, make decisions on spending rights. Did your dad also pass the buck to you? Like, hey, you know what? This year, Mr. Banker, Mr. Whoever, Corey's going to be the decision maker.
I got to imagine that relationship, though. It helps pass the torch a little bit. Yeah.
I think parents should bring their kids with them to every meeting to really learn that. You're learning stuff, even if you're not even in the conversation, you're just soaking it in.
So you said you have siblings though. So brothers, sisters?
There you go. I've had some farms that we've got to sell that... They said, well, I'll just use Zoe as an example. Well, Zoe's been actively farming the farm and took over for dad, helped dad through, you know, retirement, et cetera. And you other two kids out here doing your other thing, you weren't as involved. We're going to sell the farm. We're going to give Zoe a discount.
She gets to buy it at 60%. Yeah. So some farmers have that. We've had this conversation. There's fair. There's equal. splitting it up, they're not the same thing. Fair and equal are not the same thing. It might be fair to just give you 60%, but the other two siblings might say, well, that's not equally splitting it. I didn't say it had to be, but it's still fair. It's all on the parent.
What's your thoughts on that? Do you think that should happen for kids that are taking care of the farm?
So you've done some estate planning already.
Yeah. I hate, for our listeners, I hate first right of refusals, and here's why. Nobody ever does them right. And what I say by right is, okay, so Zoe's got first right of refusal. Great. How long does she have to make the decision? Oh, that wasn't written in there. So could she delay for six months, a year, two years until the other siblings know?
Or is it just written in there that she gets first right of refusal? So does it hijack the other siblings if they decide to sell? That's the first problem. The second problem is, well, how much is fair? What is the price? What did dad, what did the estate planning, what did grandma, grandpa want to offer that at? Nobody clearly defines how we determine a price. It's just whatever's fair.
Well, then they get online and they say, well, I saw their farm sold $30,000 an acre. That's what we want. And then you have the other kids like, oh, she's been doing it. Just give it to her at $5,000 an acre. And then you get sibling wars. I see it all the time in my world. So I wish they'd say something very clear like...
We're going to get three appraisals and each sibling is going to have to pay for an appraisal. You have to pay for one person you hired. You have to pay for one person you hired and you have to pay for one person you hired. We are going to collectively put those appraisals together. Whatever the average is, that's the price guaranteed.
Like I wish people would make it more defined rather than just, Oh, yep. If we ever sell it, I'll give you a shot because there's not parameters. So then we get into, um, then we get into, um, Somebody wants to sell it, and we don't have any clarity of how to go forward. And even the attorneys are like, well, it's really not clear. So yeah, listeners, do that.
Oh, man, we forgot to do Tanner's hot takes. We don't need to do that.
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We should listen more, apparently.
They're blowing up.
And you relate it to other, I'd say, female things like tanning. You had a whole series on mixing bronzer with chemical application.
What's the term we need here? That's skibbity? Skibbity. Is that what you say? Or that's the Riz? What?
Bruh?
Just raw. Like Carrie Underwood. I mean, just... I'll sing it. I'll just sing it. We're good. We're good.
Yeah, Iron Man.
So what other farming female hacks are out there? We need a series. Farming female hacks with Zoe.
We're in the fridge. In the fridge.
I never thought about the older farmers because even my dad is scaling down in the stuff that he can do. You know, even grabbing a table or something that he used to just be, you know, Superman. And he lifted over his head and it was nothing. And now it's like he's not there anymore. And you can see it slowly declining. I bet there's a lot of that. And it's kind of not talked about.
Of course, you don't want to.
I want to see you ride the drone. You probably can lift it. You can. I bet it could. You're small enough. It would just take you. I need to get to the other side of that field. Here we go. Hold on, boys. I always want to do that elk hunt. I'm like, oh, you can't cross that private ground to get to the state ground. Just lift me up. Take me over there. Airspace. I'm going to fly in. Yeah. Yeah.
So did you get your official card already, your 107 card?
I can't believe. Woo! You left out the important part of the intro there. What's that?
Gotcha.
I figured you're the one that's been on the plane and done the whole deal.
Really?
Really?
Corey's like, oh, I've been on the plane.
Oh, yeah.
So, Zoe, for the listeners that haven't heard yet, we'll go back to the other episode. We'll link back to it. But you're like 200,000 people on Instagram, 100,000 on TikTok, and you've built a social following.
Really?
I was going to say it was long enough I didn't know she was married. So you're married now to Tanner.
Tanner and Tanner.
Was it near your current operation?
Did they offer it to you direct or did you have to buy it at auction?
Do you have that written in any of your cash rent agreements?
It's a tough spot to be as a tenant, so I get calls all the time. And I actually normally, when we're selling something, recommend, hey, it's good politics to maybe ask your tenant. See if they're interested, but a lot of times they'll ask for a number. Of course, they want an appraisal then. And then they'll say, well, hey, here's an appraisal.
And then if Corey doesn't give enough money as a tenant, we don't even give him a second chance. We're taking it right to auction. So you want to come aggressive enough to be in the game, but you still want to get the best deal you can. So there's a fine line of being like, I want to come in heavy, but I don't want to come in too heavy and pay too much.
Conversely, I've had people that have sold and I asked for a number and I said, well, hey, it's worth $18,000 an acre. And they're like... Well, what would be a good deal to the tenant? And they've asked me, and I said, boy, if they got it for $15,000, that'd be a great deal. Well, they've been a good tenant. Tell you what, let's sell it to them at that. And I'm like, what? My job outdrops?
I'm like, well, you guys are leaving a million dollars on the table. They're like, that's okay. We don't necessarily need it. So there's two types of sellers. There's the ones that are just, you know, looking for the money, and then some that are just looking for the most successful relationship.
Yeah, it will. They'll probably put you on an arm then. You're probably five years and then renegotiate that interest rate.
I've seen a lot of that. Rather than fixing and just making it a 30-year fix, even the one that I bought last year, that's the way that they're wanting to do it. I hadn't heard the 90 days deal.
Can I ask you a tough question? You don't have to answer it, but I'm just curious. Do you think being a female helped them want to sell it to you versus if Corey would have come in and said, oh, I see your mom, dad passed. I'd like to buy the farm. Do you think that gave you an uphill advantage?
It was a relationship, not necessarily the gender.
Very good.
The reason I ask that is I see on your TikTok every once in a while that you'll have a hater comment to you. Oh, you're female, that your daddy gave you this or whatever. And you do a great job of responding to most of those people. What's that like?
Tanner and I won't be very present.
Really?
The ground that is being expanded into, because you did say you have a lot of potential ground there. It's not in production right now.
So the farmland you're expanding on is mainly rangeland. that is like pasture, right?
I always thought about the whole Amazon. They're slashing the Amazon for more farmland. And it's like, I don't know if I would want to do that. Have you seen the documentaries with the snakes? How big the snakes? Everything in there wants to kill you. Right. They can eat a human. There's frogs. You touch the wrong frog. Mm-hmm. It'll kill you. Like, I don't want that stuff coming out in my field.
You stay in the Amazon and I'll stay out here.
Yeah, you dated her, right?
He dumped her, yeah, for his wife. Yeah, so your wife is much hotter, right?
Because he didn't have one. Right, right. Well, I mean, I knew we needed to talk.
That's a lot of labor.
The reason I think that it's so much older here is it takes so much more capital or a lot of capital. I'm not going to say more because I can't compare, but are they making good money as farmers in Brazil?
So, like, when you say states and we're looking at, you got Uruguay.
That's why, you know, John is so good at marketing, and they have been for so long. And this summer, they kind of stubbed their toe, right? Like, every news article that came out was laying off people or then their chief tractor officer, and people, like, on social media were really... kind of coming after them. And they're so good at marketing. It almost felt on purpose.
Like, hey, we can't win all the time. Let's set ourselves back here a little bit. It's almost like it was strategic.
Let's get a lay of the land by his hometown. How did you say that? Curitiba.
Well, and then the people that don't even like meat, where do you get your protein? You know, whey powder and edamame, tofu.
And I think if you can break that, there's that undertow of, like, we think you're a competitor, right? Brazil's a competitor to us because, yeah, you're producing the same thing that we are. But when you start thinking about the technology that's going down there, it's the same thing of, like, well, I can't get any more land up here because the big farmer just takes it from me.
And it's like, well, what good is complaining going to do about it? Figure out how to make it work, right? Create the technology to send down to Brazil. Right. Send...
Is that because you haven't maximized your acres yet? Because here, there's not 25 million more acres that we can go grow corn on or soybeans or any other crop. We kind of got to this full. We're full. Now we have to do more with what we have. Right. Right? So that's where I think the technology and innovation comes from. It's like, okay, now we've got to do this better.
Well, yeah, because the low-hanging fruit for you is like, can we grow it? We can just go get that other section up there and turn that into soybean ground.
So it's like agroforestry or what do they call that here? We have a name for that of growing livestock in forests and things of that nature.
So I would think the pastures and the forages would do a lot better. You'd have shade for the cattle. And then a lot of that stuff can really take advantage of the shade and then the sun. Whereas us around here, we grow corn. And if it's by trees, usually... It's a big hit to yield because of the tree roots and the shading. Right. So it gets shaded a large portion of the day.
Then you plant a tree that produces nuts like an acorn or something like that.
Well, you can cut the tree and make money, but the livestock can use it as they drop. I was growing some Berkshire hogs, and we were thinking about acorn trees. Like a lot of over in Europe, they'll finish hogs on acorns instead of corn.
I don't know if anyone says the USDA is that successful.
Do you guys have to have emissions on your diesel engines, on your John Deere tractors? Like a deaf diesel exhaust fluid and all that, the particulate filters? Probably just like here. Really? Yeah, I would say... Because in Australia, you don't have to. Yeah, you don't?
No, there's a lot of countries that you don't have to.
I was just curious because that adds so much cost to tractors and, well, and just downtime because extra sensors and all this crap that...
So, let's see. Where would you have been from? Were you in town?
I mean, that was an interesting story that you told us at coffee. Is that something you can share about how John Deere came to Brazil?
I wonder if Neil Dahlstrom would have any of this information, too. He's head of... What do you call that? John Deere Archives. The Archives. Yeah, he probably knows all of that. So it had a Mercedes engine in... What year was that? Built in Brazil. I lost the years. Sorry, I'm taking notes at the same time.
It had a Mercedes engine before it went to John Deere on the last year that it... That's what it says there, right? I wonder if John Deere took any of your guys' technology in tractors or combines back... with them to the United States.
I just wondered if there's any... sort of that they did something different on their tractor or, you know, a technology of some sort.
And really, when the seed companies decided to go south to you guys and get those extra growing seasons, it allowed them... Because technology only took them so far in the States, right? Because they only had one growing season a year. Now they could actually...
expedite the process of doing all these hybrids and variety trials and traits and actually so i've grown soybean seed before that had to come from south america right and i came on a boat or a plane was flown in you know so i could plant it on june 5th and i was done planting on may 5th you know but it's it's crazy that that is is available to us now yeah it's cool
So that's what your company was based on, was travel?
No, I had some other stuff going on. I have hog feed I have to order before 10, and it's 10.09. That was not on the clock, right?
And that's based because generally people in ag want to see how ag is in other parts of the world.
There's places you don't go in St. Louis and Chicago. Right.
Yeah.
That was a bad move by Tanner.
Yeah, there's going to be a lot more shows, I think, based on this. What do you say, Corey? Crack a cold one. You deserve it.
So most of your clients was probably more the corporations, the John Deere's, the seed companies, or even like the soybean growers or the corn growers, right? Because every time I've been offered a trip or seen someone go on a trip like that, it was never the individual that was paying. It was, well, I'm going with the soybean associations.
I mean, you came here and you have access to Harry Stein and the Summit Group and all that. Like that's... A lot of people from here don't even have access to those type of people. That's pretty cool.
So, listeners, welcome to the show. This is a Farm for Fun show that was not planned at all. Tanner and I went to coffee with an amazing person this morning. His name is Julio, not Julio. Bravo. And you are from Brazil. And I'm going to let you introduce yourself and what part of Brazil you're from. And just go through your whole story of how you came to the United States.
Yeah. You can get up into the North once.
You're going back for something and you're coming back. And everything that you do, just give us the 30,000-foot view.
Really? Yeah, well. We can do this in Spanish.
So, Corey, to make decisions on your farm for next year, I'm looking at what we did last year and how the product was last year. And then we make decisions on how we can change on your farm. What is something you want to change next year in your decision-making?
Well, I think moving forward, back to your dad, saving $18,000, we only can make so much product. So when we try to make more money, we have a couple ways to do that. Make more product, which I think we're there where we're making it. It might be reduced on the other side or become more efficient. So that's where your dad was becoming more efficient with the things that he could control.
I didn't. I still didn't understand it. All right.
Okay.
You know how they always have seed coating? Why don't they just coat it in fertilizer?
So you guys talked about management. Let's talk about managing money. Corey's told me it's cheaper to put anhydrous on in the fall than to split it up. But to keep nitrogen in my soil, we're thinking of splitting it up and putting multiple passes. Any advice for a grower?
that is trying to be cognizant of money because, man, I'd like to go with what seems to be proven and a little bit more cost effective, but to go the other way.
But there's listeners in the same boat as me.
Not to derail us at all, tell me if we're going off pace. You said that bacteria can sometimes hinder that stabilizer product. But some people are putting microbiologics and bacteria on the field. Is it, being a pharmacist here, is using two drugs together bad? I mean, if we use... If we're using microbiologics and we're using a stabilizer, is that bad together?
See, I think I was making decisions when we realized that we were losing nitrogen last year. When we realized that, I was already trying to take corrective actions of how do we fix that from drain tile to do we do different decisions for anhydrous? So the decision-making process for 2025 actually started for me before we even harvested the blooming corn.
I'm probably anomaly there. Cause I bet you 90% of our listeners slash growers, uh, they, they're, they're as big or bigger in equipment than you.
So they, they're probably going to have the, so now you go Corey's way, then you're putting it two by two by two. Is there any, something else that Corey can do? Oh, yeah.
What does date night with you look like? What was that word?
I don't even know.
So you had a bunch of college kids come out. Do you think you do a better job doing it yourself than... Than a bunch of college kids?
That came out and sprayed.
Both, both.
No. Well, I'm going to say even though the – I'm just saying if it's attention to detail, yeah.
That's corn and soybeans. What about wheat, canola? Um, I said typical corn and soybeans. I know. I'm just curious. Do they, do they do products like that?
How many passes have you made now? Five? Well, you're pre-
So six.
Okay.
I was hoping to learn by the end what all this technology is, because we keep using the word technology. Well, there's technology in this, okay? And every time I want to ask a question, well, stop, hold on. What does it do? What does it do? And tell me why it's good. So hopefully through the process of the partnership, we can answer that for all the listeners, is not just another product, but...
Hey, there's technology in it. I keep hearing this word. That's great. Does the technology make me money? We're farm for profit. I need to be profitable. So I want to correlate the profit to the technology.
Stay tuned.
Maybe a cat. Maybe not.
So this is episode one of tailgate talks with Corey. Okay.
Oh, man, right there.
Corey's here. And Dave's in the studio as well.
No, it's the tripod.
You can do that on Spotify. You can go in a lot of different directions. One and a half X. How do you say that word, concierge? Concierge? Concierge. You are the content concierge. That's what you are.
He's the guy that makes sure all the partners. He's the guy that direct connects to all the partners. You're the concierge.
There's a G in there.
With an E. With an E. Okay.
Perfect.
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Very good.
These Nebraskans are trying to get us Iowans to stay here because now we have no cell phone reception. Nobody's going to have any idea how to get out of here because you can't use your GPS on your phone. We are all in SOS mode, so we had to Morse code in order to get him to find us. the booth itself.
So that also means we don't have any music. Corey gets to do his intro without music.
They look at you running a sprayer and it's a massive piece of equipment. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm going to be a big brother. Yeah. And then you'd be 10 years old, so you'd be in fifth grade. Yeah. You know a little bit more. My little brother, yeah. Same thing. Hey, I got another.
You didn't come out of Walmart with the brother. No. No, no, no. You came out of Walmart and got the call. That was CSI.
We hadn't kidnapped him yet.
That's cool. Yeah. That's right, because she hates gravel.
Everything about me just... Put it in the comment section.
Also, apparently, pick on me. Yes. We do like to pick on Tanner. So now I'm ready. Oh, my God. I don't know why you're telling me you're ready.
I want to know, why do people follow you? What's the big deal? That's a tough question. I don't know. Because you're millions, and you do it over and over and over again.
Yeah, exactly. Five years ago, the three of us probably wouldn't take comments the same way that we take them now. Yeah. Now we're calloused. Yeah. And we bring it on. Yeah. If you say whatever you want to say, great, thanks. This is helping the algorithm. Yeah. Keep coming at us. Awesome.
That is.
I mean, I love history podcasts, so, you know, a lot on the Oregon Trail. But then the Gold Rush is always fascinating to me, too. And there's two routes to get to the Klondike. And they were both deadly. It's just, did you want to die in the first two weeks, or did you want to die two months into it? It's kind of like... pick your poison, how you were going to get there.
But then when you got there, you still weren't guaranteed to be leaving there as a gold, with pockets full of gold, and just the amount of balls that would have taken. Have you guys seen 1890?
No, he watches after he's had three vodka Red Bulls at 1 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, you just go all day long. Yeah, and your heart's about to explode out of your chest. Ding dong. He's like, I have to watch something that makes me not hear my heart. Don't talk about vodka Red Bulls, dude.
No sugar. We had ice cream before we went to bed Monday night when we got out here. And poor Corey never went to bed because that was just too much sugar. I just sat there and just had a bunch on my mind.
Oh, yeah. Oh, the ladder. The salmon ladder or whatever it is.
Yeah. Warped wall or whatever they call it. In jeans and dudes. And dudes, too. That's impressive.
I usually slop around in dudes. I put them in four-wheel drive.
That's got to be one of the most injured track sports. I was going to say, we are all three not going to be able to walk into this place tomorrow. Yeah. If we try to pole vault tonight.
My jumping would be better with the pole vault. We'd have to go TikTok live and we'll just see who can do the high jump the highest. We just did it. TikTok live juggling.
sounds like he's uh watched us before or listen listen to it that's right when we do it right yeah well maybe five actually now i've started putting it out at midnight oh yeah really and we get it's fascinating we'll get you know seven eight hundred people before five o'clock in the morning hell yeah that's when i answered every freaking email this morning alarm went off you guys showered i freaking went to business yeah dave still stinks
Yeah, it is. Okay. I'm very glad you got that right. Well, did you look at the sign out front when you pulled up? Uh-uh. Because I put you as TikTok's greatest farmer. That's pretty accurate. It's pretty close. It's pretty accurate. It's pretty close. But he says you're TikTok's favorite farmer.
yeah yeah right from the fan i haven't showered yeah i haven't showered in two weeks it's great yeah you look you look fantastic dry shampoo must be dry shampoos it's working pretty nice yeah you you look like pig pen you can just see the little lines of stink coming off from charlie brown yeah has it grown for you like yeah obviously the worth in it yeah because it's it's weird when we say a podcast is a lot of work but it can be
Try transferring off of three SD cards. Yeah.
That's what I'm going to do, but I haven't done it yet. That's what I played a lot of Oregon Trail on was the old big Mac colored back.
Man, we came a long way.
I forget. Well, I know there's like 17,000 pieces of artifacts on the shelf. I got some more stuff to bring in. These guys brought all their awards into the studio. Not all of them. If I brought them all in. If you think that's all of our awards.
No, I just picked out the livestock ones. Uh-huh. Hmm. He says he's got athletic awards all over the place, but I just don't believe it. I gave them to the neighbor's kid. I bet you did. I did. I'll believe it. I did. His mom was pissed. So you live in the farmhouse by yourself or you got roommates?
Well, thank God, because if you had roommates, you'd probably have them pull the stunt that Corey pulled on me this morning. We're staying at the Airbnb. Girls on the first floor, guys on the second floor, and it's got a bathroom and a futon and a bed, and then it's like a nook. You got a duck to go into the doorway, and then I'm sleeping on a trundle bed in the kids' toy room of this Airbnb.
There's a fan to push all the air into this little nook. Right, because it's hot as balls the first night we got there. Turned the split unit. What do they call them? The AC unit? Mini split? Mini split. Turned that on, and I needed to get air into there. So there's a fan blowing air from the outside room. A series of fans. To another fan that blows it in there so I don't die when I sleep.
And you like it cold. Corey, I get up, take a shower this morning, go back in there, fill in my pockets, and I turn around to Corey with the fan to his ass, and he farts into the fan and fills the room.
Ike ran out of the room. He started gagging. He did. And then I couldn't go back. I still wasn't done.
A 22-year-old grump. Yep. There's the next TikTok name. Well, you know, just a Jackson thing, he's 63 years old, and in a 9- or 10-year-old's body, you're just going to be 63 years old in a 22-year-old body.
If we end up back at the John Deere Classic, we should see if we can get him to come over, too. Talk to the grounds crew there. That was fascinating.
Meaning... He says best ball.
Whatever.
Golf courses go out of business, and he buys their crap. He buys their crap and puts it into his fleet. I'm in a group that's golf maintenance equipment for sale.
What, you want to play a game? Yeah. Okay. We're going to play start, bench, cut. So just like sports team, you've got three people that you have at tryouts. You're going to pick one to be your starter. You're going to pick one to put on your bench. And the one that's your least favorite, you're going to cut from the team. Understood. John Deere, Case, New Holland.
Okay. Isn't it mostly Deere?
Yeah. I like him. I thought you were going to say some people mistake you for Steph Curry.
How many times have you been to Hawaii?
Really?
Now when you go back, find yourself a cute Hawaiian girl and ask her what it means. I'll have to ask what it means, yeah. But either way, I just wear it.
So out of the three of us, which one of the three of us do you think has tattoos? I'm going to go with you. You have no tattoos. I do not.
Yeah. How many? I just have one. I just have one. At the family crest on my shoulder. Oh, that's cool. On the back or front? On the back. Yeah. Sweet. Does that feel good? So it's seven colors. It was a four and a half hour setting. Yeah. It was pretty cool because I told every girl that I knew that it was happening and they could come watch it happen.
So I was just laying there face down on the table and everybody just feeling in, feeling out, bringing food, bringing something to drink.
I go through phases with everything. I think we should fundraise and get to a certain level for some charity somewhere for Corey to get a tramp stamp. A tramp stamp. That would be funny. I should call it, sorry, we don't want to get canceled, a lower back tattoo. A lower back tattoo. Like a Loch Ness Monster.
Cool.
What about a still start bench cut? TikTok, Instagram, YouTube.
Almost the right direction to God's country, but just not there yet.
We've got nothing else to do. Yeah.
Irrigate and social.
I knew when I walked in. Big girth guy. Yeah. Out of the three of us, which one do you think?
Yeah, that helps.
And I eat like a bird. Higher metabolism. I wonder how a 22-year-old's going to... We try to ask the same question over a period of three, four, six months. Yeah. And compile answers together to let our listeners, one, know that they're not alone in something, or we're just damn curious. Man, now it's therapy. Let's go. It kind of is.
Fair enough. That's all it is. Or make videos and drink. And drink.
We know that it's hard for farmers that work a lot and have families to get over the thought in their head that they aren't there as much as they should be as a parent. So we've been asking people, how do you juggle work and personal life?
The observation that we've picked up on asking this question for a couple of months now is 92 to 95% of the people start the answer off the same way. Well, I don't do it very well. Yeah. And that's what we're trying to help is you do. You do what you can do. It's not a balance. No. Don't think you're not doing it well. You're doing it the way that it works for you.
That's good.
I'm glad we got to do this. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad that we got to have a conversation with you, and hopefully it made you feel more comfortable than you were when you were freaked out about getting here. Yeah, I was a little bit. Needless to say, we weren't ready for you anyway, so you didn't miss anything. It worked out. It did. I appreciate it. Appreciate you. It's wild. I can't.
This is our pleasure. Corey, what do you tell the audience? Crack a cold one.
So is that the typical government job where there's four of you to do one person's job, three of you watched it? Yeah, four of us watched it.
Beatrice. Beatrice. So you did Precision Ag there and you made it to... Spring break. Spring break. Yeah. Just never came back after spring break.
We got to get that back. Yeah.
What a fascinating time it is out here at Husker Harvest Days. Listeners, we appreciate you joining us again. This is a guest who has been on the podcast before. Yeah, I say that in my intro. Don't steal my thunder. Well, I'm reading your intro for you, right? Oh, nice.
When I was on Vance's Ag Tribes report, I said that I still think every farm kid needs to go to college. But I think you need to go to college with a different mindset. You're not going there to learn anything except for business sense. HR, you know, being able to communicate with people and manage because most of these farms now it's not family.
It's, it's other types of workers and you have to be able to, to effectively communicate and then be input in and around people that you don't agree with. If you, if you just went and had like an ag understanding degree, that's what you went in there to do is just how can I get along with people and how can I run a business? That's probably all you need to take out of it. Yeah.
Go make some friends, go meet your spouse, uh, Go back to the farm.
No. So why aren't you TikTok's most eligible bachelor instead of TikTok's favorite farmer?
I thought about it. I gave my nephew some of that advice last fall. He was riding with me, and I said, just go talk to the pretty girl. Yeah. Worst case scenario, you never see her again. She never talks to you again.
This is how a professional podcast gets started. Oh, yeah. Just so you know.
I've done one of those. Taking a girl to the formal and then she leaves with the ex-boyfriend that I was apparently just a jealous token for her.
The poor guy's been standing here for an hour waiting for us to get started.
They're out there. Better taxes.
I'm sorry that I offered you a beer. No, that's really fine.
But she's got to like you a lot better now. Absolutely.
I think it's just you just don't drink.
I'd just say I cut back. There you go. Exactly. I mean, I drank a lot in college, and I've cut back this summer. That's how I've lost some weight, you know, doing that. But I could do more, but... I still like the social aspect, but I've never had the, I drink 30 beers in a day or a bottle of this or that. Unless we're on a trade show trip.
No, I mean, even then, like I probably had six or seven yesterday from three in the afternoon. Sure. Maybe, maybe 10 after, cause I forgot that we started so early, but like.
He didn't drink, okay, I want to test this theory here. He didn't, 27? 27, I think. He didn't drink until he was 27. Wow. Is he trustworthy? Well, like he didn't even, he wasn't even like, because this isn't part of your childhood or like coming up, like you're experimenting. Stealing beer from dad once in a while. Right, yeah.
Wow.
How does that even happen?
What is the – there's a coach for, like, not the weightlifting and training, but, like, the actual art of, like, how you move your body, like, efficiently. Is it, like, kinesiology or something like that? Oh, yeah. Yep. Do you think something like that would possibly – Yeah, it might not hurt because – Like, hey, you know, don't push so hard.
Most consistent podcast out there.
That's what we say. We're not the best. But you're most consistent. If we work the hardest and if you're the most consistent. Quality, timing, all that kind of stuff.
I think we could have a show every day if we had the time.
People have asked that. Yeah. I get asked probably once a week that we should do that. It's usually dairy farmers.
I think you're thinking you've got a little bit of backyard-itis going on here. We've had too much rain in Central Iowa, but I think a lot of people have gotten good rain, especially out east. A lot of places in Nebraska that didn't get hailed out had a lot of good rain that they normally don't have. So I think we have a good crop coming.
But for our particular backyard, we will be disappointed with our yields. Okay. I think.
Yep. So I have three things. Okay. Real quick. Do you still hunt? I do. Awesome. You still hunt with that same gun? I do.
I was curious if you were sitting there, like, I might just grab that gun.
Second thing, you've got to be thinking about doing a book if you're not hungry.
You know, buy a book or something like that. So I think that would be a great addition to your services. Oh, absolutely. They can patronize you on beef, though, as well. So how do they find you on the beef?
Is it red Angus because you have red hair?
I think you should slap the label on there. Raised with one leg.
Yeah, we're not there yet. I just want to say thank you. This is going to sound bad. I'm glad you shot yourself in the foot.
And I'm also glad that you picked up the speaking thing because I do know, you know, we can't maintain – Olympic status for all of our life, right? And I would hate to see what happened if you lost that.
If you ever do get into long running, hook us up or hit us up because our good friend Michael Bergen, who's in Tokyo right now, would normally be here. He was an ultra marathoner.
Those guys are insane. He could pace you and do all that kind of stuff. They're nuts.
Nike contract. Farm for profit. Sponsored. Could be.
There you go. Barstool athlete. It doesn't pay very well, but hey, we're the first.
today. You're the speaker today. That's right. Tanner needs to introduce our guest here. That is our guest that you just heard. Before you do that, I want to say a big thanks to Cody Vanderholm for lining this up.
Yes. Okay. I said that key. Yes. Yeah, you did. You did. Okay. We've got some fingers, maybe. I would say he's also the best looking ginger on the podcast. I appreciate that.
It's just a mustache is all it is. I do like a good mustache.
Okay.
How much of that like relates back to farming and agriculture? Like you set up your combine just right so that it's, you know, and then you set up your car just right. I mean, is it equal? No, it's totally different. Just as much time or less time? Oh, way more time than setting up a combat. All right. Fair enough.
You're making me... You're making me think of the interview we did yesterday with Sync, which is a new powered by Sukup. Basically, if you don't know yet, Zach, there's like a whole suite of technology that they're on. They said phase one. They couldn't tell us a whole lot, but you have to get signed up. They got a QR code to sign up, learn all about this like new special tech that's coming.
Is that when it was? He probably knows. He was just at Sukup at the dryer class.
Hey, guys, maybe we even start before you, Corey. Let me interject. We would just like to thank our partners. And Sukup is where we're at today. and what a great guest to have here. For all of you that are in the live audience, thank you for being here. One of our proud partners is Sukup Grain Bins and Sukup Grain Handling.
It just keeps raining. Guys, one of the things, you were talking safety. I'm missing John this year. John Wasukup retired. He made the safety door. So if you do get to the bottom of that bin, you might need to actually use that.
If you are a next generation farmer, make sure that you're putting this brand stuck in your head, okay? It's one of the best brands out there. If you are a current farmer and you're just listening and says, who are these guys here? Grab one of the people in the green shirts that are around. They're all black and today. They won't kill you. They're really nice guys.
So we talked about the economy a little bit. It's just a different market right now with corn being down and interest rates up and whatnot. You got any tech tips for the audience or tech tips for the listeners down the road of something that the Millennial Farmer is going to do this year to try to be more profitable? Man, I don't know about that. Specific tech tips?
You're putting me on the spot there.
Tanner's smiling over there. He's a freak in the sheets. What do you use? Excel documents. Excel document sheets, that is, as a banker.
They're not overbearing salesmen. If you have questions, I love to ask them questions. Just do that. Great resource.
He's a great guy. Some people are. Last time we talked, you were talking about maybe expanding a little bit. Did that ever go down, if I can ask? Did you get any more land since I sell land?
Manage the expectations. We educate sellers, not buyers. Buyers know what they want to give. They know what they can afford and what the bank will loan them on.
I think we know what table that came from. So you have a podcast. It was Off the Husk. Is it still a thing? Does it still exist? You used it to raise money and then...
We should have followed suit with you. We started on YouTube, and now as we switch sides. Yeah.
Did you get the sweet YouTube plaque that's like gold or silver? Yeah.
That could be. So non-farm related, do you have YouTube people that you follow, like Mr. Beast or somebody that might be bigger than what your presence is? I don't follow anybody too closely.
Barstool Zach.
Yeah, that's what it seems like.
There's a meet and greet today.
So I just saw some of the local trap shooters come in right here at this table that are near me. Have you ever shot a perfect trap score? No, I'm not that good. What's your highest?
Have you, Dave? No, I haven't. I haven't. Has anybody on the trap team shot a perfect score? There's a couple of them that got up into the 80s, maybe 90s over there. But it'll come quick.
I always see the girls do a little better. They don't get frustrated as much. The guys get mad when they miss one, and the girls are like, whatever, I'll shoot the next one.
I said that earlier.
Work doesn't sound good. Tanner gave him a phone number for a free Uber, so now all he's got to do is call it, and he's got to drive you to Minnesota.
Yeah. A dance-off. A dance-off.
No, they would hate that.
We need a racetrack here. You know, you were talking about a wrestling arena. How about a racetrack, and we'll get Jackson, and we'll just like the tractor pull. Inside. The CTO, we'll get Millennial Farmer. You do that, and they're not going to have any room for their displays.
Yeah, that'd be fun.
I'd like to see all you guys just go out to where they're parking, and everybody grab a horse, and we'll make a contest out of it. That sounds fun, too. I've never drove a horse. You've never drove a horse? No. You've never rode a horse? No.
Have you ever drove a horse?
Ride, drive. Dave, what do you do? Do you drive a horse? I guess you could say drive. I mean, you tell it direction. You give it cues of left or right.
Well, in the auction industry, we say sell it with a ride and drive. So now you can just use both.
So speaking of hockey, if you had a choice, you get to start, you get to bench, you get to cut one of these. Baseball, football. You've played that game with us before, right? No, I never have.
How you doing?
Stick around.
For what? Start, bench, cut. What's your favorite? Bodies of water. A river, a lake, or an ocean.
Planting and harvest. I'm starting the planting corn. That's my favorite thing to do. You have a new planter too. We do, yeah. With some cool stickers on it. What happened to our stickers? They took them off.
And I was on the hitch right up towards the front. I'm like, you're hooking this up. So if you guys don't know that's in the crowd, while we were at Commodity Classic, we kind of added a little swag to his new planner that he got and waited to see if he would find them. But apparently they cleaned that planner up before they gave it back to him.
Since we're talking about family, one of our questions we've been asking everyone at the end, we try to put a compilation together at the end, how do you juggle work and family together?
Honey Creek. Honey Creek. Yeah, that's where they said they were going. I thought it was a creek. Just when I thought you had influence of just like eight-year-old girls on YouTube, my neighbor, who's like 75, who's a hay guy, is like, have you ever met this guy, the Millennial Farmer guy? And I was like, okay, his swath is a little bigger than I thought it was.
I saw your face.
It's terrifying for me.
Shaping the minds of the next generation. Oh, I hope not. Not too much. That's hard to think about if you really start thinking deep.
Have you been to a farmer coffee shop? They know everyone who lived here, there, then, and when, and where.
And it always ends with, a good time was had by all. The Carol B. See, we still have that in our little paper.
We got thumbs down. Hold on.
There's an auction description.
David would know that. You need to advertise. Yeah, right. You need to advertise birth announcements. You've got the hall for 300 people. People can break their clay and it can give a color. There's your next idea. We might need to bring you on.
So I know we talked about this last time and how much it's growing. I have a different question for you. What's your favorite gun?
Not necessarily just shotguns either. Are you brand loyal, like Remington or Weatherby?
As we do these segments in the fall, that doesn't mean that this is the only time or the best time for your operation to apply your nitrogen, right?
So if our listeners want to learn more about Instink and Inserve, how best do they do that?
Thanks for joining us, Taylor.
Right, we get to have an exciting conversation about innovation in agriculture, and I think that's one of the things that is the important reason we're here with John Deere.
We get to have these conversations, provide us the opportunity to share with our listeners some of the latest maybe tips, tools, techniques that are going to help their farm either make more money or protect them on the downside. And I'm excited here to introduce who's become a friend of mine over the last couple of months, Mr. Billy Rose.
He is chairman and CEO of a company that I think is going to become a household name within most of these farm households. Welcome to the podcast.
Especially at today's prices. So Randy, if our listeners don't remember who you are, why don't you give a little bit of background as to who Randy is?
Ties back to Iowa. I thought you were going to say, lo and behold, he didn't build the manufacturing plant, he built a ball diamond.
That was Billy's field of dreams. Yeah, there is your tie to agriculture right there.
Yeah, there you go. Plead the fifth. Oh, that's cool. So that's the base. But then how did you grow up and get into the business and entrepreneurial spirit that you're in?
So you have had this passion from the beginning as you've built all these companies.
So, Dave, you're first field, right? You picked a hybrid because one of your friends told you to plant that hybrid.
Well, it potentially would if everybody starts doing the same thing. But that means everybody's got to be doing that. That's the same thing as this technology curve you've seen in hybrid selection. But if we have 10% of the farmers running the yield optimizer, 10% of the farmers are going to have the yield advantage based upon this model. But I did like your question.
What a great feeling you would have is if you dropped your pin, pulled up their tool, and all of a sudden your seed guy gave you the best hybrid option within that. How much more confidence do you have in that partner? Correct.
Yeah, that would handle a lot of grain and provide a lot of options, too, because we've talked about the profitability that elevators have when they have the ability to blend. And Corey's already given a testament to what it's done for his farm, having the ability to blend as well.
It's finding it hard to lose. I mean, I understand this is a cost service that our listeners are going to, if they're interested in using, it's going to be an additional cost. But it comes with that backstop, the ability to guarantee that yield gap. And also, you just talked about a dividend. So just like you said, if I wanted to test and maybe switch hybrids on a field, I now have the data.
And maybe I do more than 20 acres and I put it into 80, which ends up being a better investment for me. And I end up doing it in 300 of my 1,000 acres because I've got the test plot data. I want to go back to how you talked about the test plots because that's the data that's going to matter. Dave says it all the time.
Data is the currency, and you can't have funny money when you're trying to make decisions.
Well, Corey, we had Todd Dillon here from Estes Concaves to talk to us about getting our combine set for wheat harvest, small grains. Yep. Let's do the same thing for soybean.
If our listeners want to learn more about the XPR3s and what you guys have in store, how best do they look you up?
I didn't know you had access to that.
Yeah, that's the fun part when we got to talk to you down at Tech Hub Live. Corey was trying to shoot holes in it too. We're both very good at challenging. Dave's almost better than we are at challenging the process. And so far, I appreciate the answers that you've given because one of the things that we were talking about is how wet this spring was. Oh, mercy.
And if you were planning on planting corn and it just didn't end up working for you and you had to go get a bean hybrid, just like you said, The seed dealer might not have access to all the bean hybrid choices you did at the beginning of the order season.
Say it again because that is amazing.
So have you had customers pairing this with different crop insurance guarantee levels? Sure.
So, Tanner... I want to keep staying on the crop insurance topic for my next question, that we could buy up to 85%. Have you had clients that are buying lower crop insurance coverage... And use you for more. Because of... This, being able to partner with it, are they able to buy down to 70% or 75%?
Yep. Dropped to 75%. All day long. Might still only have 10% risk. A little band. Out there. Right. But I've insured another 25 on top of that. Or 15. I'm sorry, 15 on top of that.
So that could be a way for our listeners to save a little money and not give up a lot of risk protection.
Absolutely. If you can guarantee revenue, you're going to get credit for it. If you've already got bushels sold, I'm going to give you the sold price versus the current market price, whether the price is higher or lower. At least that's the way I would operate to make sure that we had an accurate depiction of what your crop was valued at.
There's probably going to be a lot of financing questions, Billy, coming up here in the next six months.
Having some AcreShield protection is going to be beneficial in those conversations.
Yeah, I've had this conversation with Billy a couple of times, and Corey's had it once before. So I appreciate your perspective on trying to make sure our listeners who get their first exposure to AcreShield have a good base knowledge as far as this goes. But I've known Billy longer than just AcreShield, and he's constantly innovating. So I want to know what's down the pipe.
What's coming down the road?
And what has the least amount of research unbiasedly associated with it.
We get it. It's the most requested of us. The number of companies that want to advertise with Farm for Profit that are a biological company by nature.
I know. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we've turned them all down.
So in your 24 years, is this something that you've seen happen over and over? They find a product that gets used on a frequent basis and want to add their touch and bring that quality of service to the customer?
Well, considering you're talking to a man who built and sold a crop insurance company, I think he knows that's a competitive advantage.
Yeah, how could we do that appropriately? I don't know. Well, Billy, this is something that you and I have talked about doing for quite a while. And I'm glad we got to do it in the environment that we did. The energy here is second to none. whether the audience sat and stayed forever or it's 95 degrees outside. Yeah, not quite 90 degrees yet. Still warm.
So put you literally on the hot seat, and we're going to do that with our last question. We like to frame up and try to put a summary together to help our audience with things that they're struggling with, and one of that is knowing that they are doing okay as a family man or just in life in general. So how do you juggle the activities of work and personal life?
That's why this question doesn't have the word balance in it.
we've chosen to use the word juggle because i don't feel it needs to be 50 50 no it does not work and it might be 60 40 for one person and flip to 60 40 for the next so you only juggle two you got two in the air at same time i got i'm juggling like 45 i mean there's like there's a bunch in the air because i only got two hands that's right but do you do you ever let me ask you guys a question do you feel like this is work not today
We'll be at the same time. All right. We're there. That's good. Thanks again for hanging out with us. If they want to learn more about you guys, how do they do that?
Yeah, that's the same thing we ask of our listeners. We appreciate them at all times. They can always send us guest ideas just like you, Billy, and we encourage them to tell their friends, so. Thanks again for hanging out with us.
Yeah, integration's definitely leading in agriculture right now. It is. Yeah, it is. One thing that I was jealous of, having sat at the booth for years with you, is the paddle sweep. Because I've swept...
Hey, listeners, welcome back to the Farm for Profit podcast. It's great to be back with some representatives from Sukup. We've got Randy here, the material handling sales director, and we're going to dive deep into the title just to make sure everybody is clear as to what he understands. But, no, it's a pleasure to have you back on the podcast. Welcome back, Randy.
Yeah, it is. It's something, like I said, when I first mentioned it, I'm very jealous of because no matter it seems like if it's in January or it's in June, that's still a job that sucks.
But Corey, it's a testament. It's not just commercial use only. This is for a regular farm.
What a beautiful day to have an interview to learn more about what's available, what's cutting edge and new for farmers this fall when it comes to grain handling. But material handling in the title means it's not just corn and soybeans that souk up. equipment handles, right?
So I've tapered into that triple run conveyor because that to me sounds like a misleading title. It doesn't move three different directions, right?
That sounds like the common issue our listeners have, just like you, Corey. You get an upgraded combine, but then you have to size everything else after the combine to make sure that that extra capacity is being utilized.
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Yeah. It's time for a Nitrogen News Minute. I'm happy to have Taylor Ferguson here, Nutrient Maximizer Strategic Account Manager. Welcome.
I love how you're bringing benefits to our audience. You are trying to maximize their nitrogen application, making sure that it's all going to be here next spring. We've already talked a little bit about what applications we can include the products in on. You last gave us a little tip on how we are going to make sure our equipment's ready and what weather we need to be paying attention to.
What do we need to think about next?
And everybody was worried it was too dry, and then some is too wet. It's the old too wet, it's too dry, and I still want a free hat. Yeah. But, yeah, the equilibrium of just being – You know, we always love those rains that aren't, I remember you called me one day, Corey, he's like, this sucks, turn the damn water off, we're ready to go. Water's good, but too much of it was bad.
There was a happy medium in the middle.
How much of this is you just, as you said, dorking out on it? Or does it make any more money? So when I look at it, I don't have a whole lot more time. So I'm like, all right, what is everybody doing? What's the basics? And just do the basics. But we've got the opportunity to interview hundreds of people that all have a different way to make two more bushel, two more something.
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Is this you just really like the science of it?
And you get the tax write-off for R&D. That's funny. That show's not out yet.
So you were thrown into this. It kind of sounds like when your father passed and you were going a different direction. Are you happy you went back this direction or are there other things you want to chase? Landscaping, marketing, something new?
I think you just got to hit that time right because I think back to LaserDiscs. they were way more space than a CD or a Blu-ray or a DVD, but they might have been ahead of their time, and by the time we needed that much space, well, then direct downloads were there or SSD hard drives were there. That's in the technology space as an example of what that looks like. Even think of Redbox.
I mean, I remember thinking, like, It finally went down. Yeah, it finally went down. They had a vending machine. I'm like, who's going to do this and bring it back? And then it just kind of took off. But they pivoted, you know, and it's more Netflix-ish. And now look at Netflix. So they just happened to hit it right at the right time and know when to pivot.
If I take you back to social media wise, there's not a lot of people on social media that show their mistakes. So we just talked about meat and then didn't pan out. We might have lost money, but we broke even maybe or something in that nature. Being first time farmer, I've tried to show some mistakes online because it's not all peaches and cream.
And nobody at the coffee shop says, oh, man, my yield is just, you know, I mean, they don't say that. What's the reception from the rest of the world if you posted some of this stuff? as far as failure. Yeah. Everybody loves like, okay, you got a hundred and you know, whatever bushel beans. Hey, that's fantastic. Oh great.
He's doing that over there, but nobody really says I'm going to lose 80 grand this year.
Well, this is a Farm for Fun episode without the drinks. So rather than talking crops the whole time, if you were an animal, what would you be?
Join Corey. You boys want some popsicles?
We should do it. We just set up a golf tournament at every farm show. Farm Progress this week. You guys could go to Farm Progress or come to our golf tournament. What's your handicap? Do you know?
And I've always known you on social anyways. The short amount of times we've met is innovation. You know, always looking for the next idea. And I think that's kind of what spurred Constant Canopy, correct?
So we've been on a train. We've been on a plane. Been now on a trailer. In a hotel lobby and on a trailer on the flatbed.
Yeah. But Dominican Republic is a little closer to the equator.
I'm guessing, yeah. And I was like 100 SPF all day, every day. Huh.
So we've talked, you know, foreign trade, global economy. What we haven't talked is local economy. So we have a presidential election coming up, and we're talking about what prices might do in the future. We've kind of talked that they're down now, and we know that. How is who gets elected going to affect our fertilizer?
We've recently in the U.S. seen layoffs at Kinsey, at John Deere, at other manufacturing facilities. They're predicting or their advisors are telling them the economy is not going to be as good. Do you think they were just ahead of it and made less?
Do you think if they, so a lot of marketing companies or sales company, they give you a reason to buy it right now. So to avoid the standoff, as you say, Josh, if they would say, let's, whatever, lower the price to where it incentivized guys like, crap, I got to go now. I got to buy this. But it's, hey, buy today or buy it before you leave and we'll give you this much of a discount.
If they did that right now and incentivized it 20%, would you think farmers... 20% would be huge. Would farmers be out there dumping the clutch even if they think it's going to be bad years in 24, 25, 26? The problem is they did this.
So what's your thought on this? The only thing I got in my head is sustainability. We have this buzzword in agriculture, sustainability. We've talked with a gentleman out in California that said his sustainability is, can I make ends meet next year? I'm listening to this, and I'm like, why are we relying on everyone else to dictate our decision-making capability where we farm?
So I'm thinking to myself, sustainability, why the hell don't we make all this stuff ourself? And I know I'm a million-dollar question here, but why are we relying on the rest of the world to make decisions for our... I mean, as a businessman, I rely on other people. other software companies, etc. But I normally vet them that they can't break on the background. This sounds like stuff's breaking.
You know how fast we could build that hospital if it wasn't for OSHA? Right. See?
and politics stepping in and most farmers do it they don't rely on somebody to clear the road when there's snow we all buy our own snow plows anymore we don't rely on somebody to come in and uh you know grade the road or whatever whatever it may be we try to solve our own problems even we'll have backup generators because we're non-reliant we're self-sufficient if you will and we're non-reliant on all we do but we have backups in place to cover our backsides because we have to
Okay. So what do we have in the United States that the rest of the world needs from us? Seems like we need a lot of stuff from everyone else. Pigs. Pigs.
Let's go back to your per acres. We don't care how much it costs. Are you willing to give 50 acres or 50 bushel to buy this much or 100 bushel? So any good company knows what it takes to do business. So if they know that the average farmer is willing to do 50 bushel and they're willing to go there, as their price went down, let's say their paycheck just got cut in half.
If their paycheck got cut in half, eventually you'd think that the people that sell them the supplies have to also take that into consideration and say, hey,
50 bushels is not 50 bushels anymore now you know it takes it takes this much and that they would adjust with the market otherwise guys are just going to back off because they just can't afford it so if you take the price of a truck brand new truck for an analogy and take it to eighty thousand dollars and you cut my paycheck in half i just don't have the money to buy an eighty thousand dollar truck anymore so when do they say we still need to sell some crap let's lower the price of the truck when does that happen
If you're buying this on an operating note, interest rates are three times what they are. Just adds to it.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. It's a barter system. So, Tanner, money's made in the margins as everybody battens down their hatches. Okay? Okay. All I've heard over the past months is we're going to back off. It's not in the cards this year. We're not going to put tile in. We're not going to do that.
Is fertilizer ever in the discussion that that's the card we pull out of the deck that we say we're not going to do?
best to them i don't think that's the right advice so it happens i want to leave it on a positive note because we've given a whole lot of negative people were already negative that uh the market sucks and we kind of just told them it's going to suck some more so what's the positive here what's the what's the pull away i think going to tanner saying you know throwing that blanket statement of oh they're mining the soil and all that
I can go to soybeans and be fine. And if markets are cyclical, then we're gambling, as we always do, that it's going to come back the other direction, and then we'll make up our margin then.
Other than selling assets, we've seen some dealerships that are liquidating some of their on-site inventory to take debt off the books. How do farmers take debt off the books? Other than selling assets? Other than selling assets. File for bankruptcy? Sell land. Well, that land's an asset.
Okay, so do they sell more corn at a lower rate just to take the debt away so they don't have to borrow money on an operating note?
Because nobody ever said interest rates are king. It's always cash is king.
One thing you're going to have to preface with this one from a guy that's in the same spot as Josh works a lot. I wonder if your job depends on this question. And the reason I say that, having been a firefighter, I could shut the mind off on firefighting immediately. But now working a job in sales where you eat what you kill, If I don't kill it, family doesn't eat.
It changes that perspective of how much I want to work. And I've had others that are realtors that I've tried to book deals with, and they're like, my client wants to do a call on Sunday afternoon. He's like, I don't make calls on Sunday afternoon. I'm like, well, I need to because this is a $4.2 million deal, and I need it.
And so respecting others' boundaries of where they are, I was very frustrated. Like, dude, we need to put this together. He's like, I don't make calls on Sunday. I get it. But then him also respecting my side of, I need this because I still got to feed the family. So there's a fine line there in the middle.
So, non-related to fertilizer, question for you. I did a charity auction last night. And when we're all talking doom and gloom, and I hear a lot of that chatter coming in this way, that market's bad, market sucks, etc. I did a charity auction last night, and we raised a half a million dollars in less than an hour. And it's the highest amount they've ever raised.
And people just freely gave, here's 20 grand, here's 30 grand, here's 10 grand, et cetera, et cetera, like it's nothing. There's a lot of money out there. You know, I always say markets are emotion. Their emotion was great. They're ready to give. The emotion in agriculture right now just stinks. How do we change the emotion?
Oh, we could.
Write in and let us know what their answer to that is. I think Farm for Profit is going to come up with mini crystal balls, except they're going to be cloudy. And we'll just sell them to you. And if anybody asks what we're supposed to do, here you need one of our swag gifts.
Really? What? Yeah. Yeah. You've got to YouTube it.
How do you know what bale is better than the next? There's order buyers just like cattle, but Google Sandy Houston. Sandy Houston, world champion tobacco auctioneer, and they draw out everything. It's like, oh, American, Sean, Sean. It's different. It's different, but... Let's get back on task.
Let's do a whole show on that. Tanner, Corey came out to my farm the other day. We were doing some yield estimates, and we were talking about the state of the economy right now. And, man, our farmland price is coming down as number one. I wish our table had a crystal ball right here because that's what everybody wants.
We need one. We need one. And mine's just as blurry as everybody else. We started talking even next year already and decisions for what we're going to do next year. And that got us right into the conversation of where our prices for seed, where our prices for fertilizer. And Corey, you mentioned to me that it was trending that fertilizer isn't backing off. What are cash rents going to do?
You know, we made comments about that. It's getting tougher. We are backwards.
I know I made the argument with a lot of people last year. They said, Oh, we should lower cash rents because commodity prices came down. But the counter argument as a farm manager was, well, the fertilizer and input prices are down as well. So although commodities came down, it was, you know, fractional together. So we just kept cash rent the same.
Now next year, I've already heard people talking about lowering cash rents. Well, we're,
So help me understand, Josh. I thought, going back as I was studying Russia, Ukraine, that we get some from them, but the U.S. has all the capabilities to produce this. They just don't because of some kind of government sanctions. Maybe we did a podcast on that. Did we not? I don't know how close we got to that. That there were some government sanctions, but basically we could get it out of Canada.
Yeah.
And Dave's in the studio.
Oh, I was on vacation for a little while.
And for those that don't know myself, what happened?
All summer long. That's all you do is just vacation all summer. Hey, that's what the farmers do.
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And Brad McDonald. Brad McDonald, head of farm in Delaware County. And yeah, I'm also COO of Continuum Ag out of Washington, Iowa as well. Just a row crop operation on the home farm. Also have pigs that my dad and brother operate together. If you ever saw the big boars at the Iowa State Fair, we had three of them, three winners.
If so, Big Mac, Big Buck, or Itty Bitty, that came from the McDonald farm. So happy to be here.
We let the FFA chapter pick the last one, so Itty Bitty was from the Delaware County. Do you have one going down this year? Was that? Do you have one going down this year? No, nothing this year, but yeah.
Well, yeah, I mean, even just from all perspectives, I'm an economist by education, so the definition of the economy would be the allocation of limited resources. To me, technology is the enhancement of that allocation. So in layman's terms, getting more with less is really how I view technology. And when it comes specifically to Continuum Ag,
We're helping farmers improve their profitability through improved soil health and have a lot of new mechanisms to help with that through technology to just enhance that profitability to Scott's point is to basically help farmers get more from less.
Yeah, you can run the gamut. I mean, agriculture, I think, has a bad reputation of being late to the game when it comes to technology. And I think in a lot of ways that can be warranted, but oftentimes isn't warranted at the same time. I think of our friends on the coast. The hot item is autonomous vehicles, self-driving vehicles. We've been driving self-driving tractors for over a decade, right?
So in some ways, we are very advanced. But in others, I think that we definitely can be looking for what's the next thing. And some are better than others, right? And so you're always going to have those early adopters, people who are late to the party. I think you're going to see that in every industry, but agriculture in general.
I think is very advanced when it comes to looking for the future, almost by necessity, you know, if you're not growing, you're kind of dying. And that's the way of agriculture, unfortunately. And the people who are those early adopters are the ones that are going to keep growing.
And Brad. Yeah, so I'll lump data into technology there as far as what I try to do is I try to take the emotion out of farming. I think that that sometimes can be a barrier and let the data speak for itself. One thing that I've tried that I never thought I would try in a million years is this whole regen thing, putting cover crops and doing no-till on my own ground. And the first year I did it,
My grandparents were still alive and they saw me planting into a green cover crop and they looked like they were about to have a heart attack because I'm planting into a weedy field. But I think that you just got to try these different things and let the data speak for it.
Whether that's right for your operation or not, try to remove the heart attack you're planting into a weedy field and see what the data tells you. Turns out that we ended up having record yield that year on those fields, not necessarily because of the cover crop, but at least we proved that the cover crop didn't hurt the farm through the data.
So now I can participate in a low CI grain that we also do at Continuum Ag because I'm not afraid to try these different things. And so I guess it's just an evolution. And yeah, I love that point as far as if we have 40 shots at this, You want to get your best at bad every year, right? And I think you just have to be open-minded to do that.
Yeah, I mean, we talk to farmers that ask that same question every single day. Literally, that is the number one thing preventing farmers from trying these things. It's not just the emotional, but also, well, what about my yield this year? And they understand that there can be that yield drag in the first three years.
Fortunately, we live in a time now where, financially at least, we have a lot of things available to overcome those yield drags, particularly low CI at this point. So what we try to do is just let's let's put pencil to paper here and actually look at what does this look like financially for your operation.
So when I did this cover crop in 2022, I put pencil to paper and I found out that, OK, I'm going to apply for an equip program. If that doesn't work out, I'll do a state cost share program to help pay for my cover crop seed.
and also I'm going to sign up for this carbon program that pays $25 an acre, I found out that I could afford a yield drag of about 25 bushels and still come out breakeven, compared to if I was just doing normal conventional practices. So in my mind, now I'm just, again, letting the data kind of drive the decision here.
I thought, you know what, I could probably survive putting out a cover crop and trying no-till, and I think that I can do better than 25 bushel yield drag. I think I can do that. And so I think every farmer's just got to go through that process and that journey, whatever that looks like to them, and we help farmers do that every single day.
But yeah, I mean, since it is such an emotional thing to try this region, we really try to point to the potential, Like, hey, yeah, there is risk, but farming is risk. Whether you do or you don't, you are taking a risk every single time you're putting seed in the ground.
So now let's look to what the potential could be if you were to implement these practices, the improvement of soil health, and then also now participating in these brand new markets to increase revenue at the same time. And oftentimes when we kind of walk through that journey, farmers tend to end up seeing the white, I guess, if you want to call it that, and being willing to try it.
Yeah, so CI, carbon intensity, basically means your carbon footprint. So whether you want it or not, no matter where you're at politically, every single farmer has a carbon intensity score associated with their crop. And really what it comes down to is there's now this brand new revenue stream.
I guess it would be in the form of tax credits through biodiesel or ethanol where they can get tax credits from the U.S. government if they can lower their carbon footprint. So think of from an ethanol plant standpoint. I've got a carbon footprint and most of that is made up from the corn that's going through my facility.
So us as farmers can help the ethanol industry lower their CI score by producing a low CI grain. How do we do that? Cover crops, no-till, and manure instead of synthetics. If you do those three things, that's the trifecta to lower your score. And now I'm providing a brand new value to the ethanol industry that I should be compensated for.
So at the end of the day, it's all tied to what is your actual score of the practices that you're implementing on your farm. In my case, I mentioned I signed up for a carbon program, a carbon credit program that paid $25 per acre. That same exact crop, when I tie a CI score to it, would have been providing over $450 per acre to the ethanol industry.
So if I was able to sell my corn that year to the ethanol industry, I would be providing this brand new value to the ethanol industry. And yeah, maybe I'm not going to get $450 per acre, but even if I get half of that, that's way more than anything else that I would have been able to sign up for. So it's just this brand new thing.
starting in 2025, that you can score your 2024 crop going into the 2025 season, that the ethanol industry would hopefully be able to pay farmers based on your CI score.
So by law, it is. Because we're waiting for... We are waiting for guidelines from the USDA recommending to the IRS on how do they actually facilitate it. So by law, it starts, the clock starts Jan 1, 2025, by law. So then the question is, how the heck are these ethanol plants actually going to get tax credits? Yep. And that has not been defined yet. Yep.
Yeah, I just used drones for the first time this year. So got the fungicide on with drones and that was pretty cool. But I... I will say this, I'll add the caveat, I probably sound like this regen hawk, but at Continuum, I'm probably the biggest skeptic when it comes to regen farming.
The technology that I'm most excited for is getting to reduce my nitrogen application, because now I'm getting to that year three, four, five, that I should be able to see that organic end picking up, and so I should be able to reduce my nitrogen.
I don't know if that's implementation of technology that you're looking for, but I'm really looking forward to pulling back on my end costs by utilizing that.
Honestly, you have to identify who are the people who are actually open-minded to doing these new things. But then also, we're not trying to upset the apple cart here by necessarily going directly to the farmer and saying, hey, you should be doing this. We actually work with a dealer network that is working with the farmer.
So we have trusted people as dealers who know the vision of what we're trying to do, and they have a farmer network that they can then have that confident conversation with all of their network, basically, to be an advocate on our behalf, right?
So I feel like a lot of the guys who are just trying to go in and disrupt and just go and say, you know what, the old system is old, don't use it, go right to the farmer, you're not going to have very good success. And we've seen a lot of companies... try and fail pretty massively when it comes to that approach, you don't want to disrupt that. You want to still have those farmer relationships.
They're there for a reason. Utilize that. Utilize those relationships because if you are able to get those dealers and people on your side as champions, they're the ones who are going to be the most effective at carrying that message to the farm gate.
So we definitely see differences, right? You're going to have different yield drags on different soil types going through that process, depending on what your soil is like. That said, we have yet to come across a farmer that just completely failed and abandoned ship when it comes to let's try what you're comfortable with first, get your toe in the water, and then build from there.
So a lot of time, I like to say strip-till is the gateway drug. Let's start there. And if you're not comfortable with all of your acres, try some of your acres. And then build that confidence and then move on from there. If you go whole hog and fail the first year, that's the fastest way to never try again, right?
And so I strongly recommend we meet the farmer where they're at with the comfortability because there is that emotional part of it, right? And so we want to meet them where they're at, what they're comfortable with, and then build upon that year after year.
Yeah, so agriculture overall, I guess I'll describe what I think the problem is and then how technology might be able to help with that. It has a problem with narrative more than anything that I'm seeing. So I went to college with a bunch of city folk, ended up living with city folk. And I was viewed with the last name McDonald as either an angel or a devil. That's how I like to call it.
They either thought of me as an 1800 old McDonald farmer, right? A wholesome person going out there with a pitchfork. And they love that story. Or they saw Monsanto and I'm spraying everything with chemicals and I'm killing their kids. Right. So and it's real. It's a real perception problem.
And so I think that it really comes down to providing that visibility and letting people know, hey, we don't farm like we did in the 1800s, obviously. But we're also not trying to kill your kids by spraying chemicals. And so it's really important, I think, for the industry overall to adapt traceability and just be open about what our practices are and why we're doing them.
I think that can help go a long way with the change in perception of the American farmer.
Brett? Yeah, I'll come at it with a continue mag perspective here. I think that the reason why ethanol, I mentioned as far as low CIs, has to go through ethanol because that's how the law is written. That's where the tax credits are going. It's only available to ethanol.
I like to think that the reason why ethanol is the only one is because they had the best lobbyists when they were making the law. So it just so happened that they were able to get it in. Ten years from now, I think everything's going to have a CI score. I think you're going to have low CI pork chops in the grocery store. I think you're going to have low CI steaks. I'm going to
I'll bet that that's going to be the new organic, if you want to call it that. So you're going to see this new demand for low carbon everything. And all these claims of saying we've got to be carbon neutral or carbon negative or whatever the hot thing is at the moment. But that's where I think this is going. The puck is that everything, not just ethanol, is going to have a CI score attached to it.
You know, and like, and the kind of people that show up at those, you know, they're just fun to make fun of, you know, like, many hipsters. Oh, it's super fun. Like, people watching is great. Yeah. She was able to throw him out just like the hard balls, you know, like the curve balls. And I'm thinking, she's great. We're going back and forth, making fun of people, feeding each other.
You know, and like, and the kind of people that show up at those, you know, they're just fun to make fun of, you know, like, many hipsters. Oh, it's super fun. Like, people watching is great. Yeah. She was able to throw him out just like the hard balls, you know, like the curve balls. And I'm thinking, she's great. We're going back and forth, making fun of people, feeding each other.
And I'm like, we're having a great time. I'm thinking, why would I not want to go out on a second date with this person? Long story short, now, I have to explain this. If I had my own radio show, I'd probably be canceled, like, immediately. I am just not very woke. I say what I think. I think I'm funny. A lot of people might not think I'm funny, but Chris would seem to think that I was funny.
And I'm like, we're having a great time. I'm thinking, why would I not want to go out on a second date with this person? Long story short, now, I have to explain this. If I had my own radio show, I'd probably be canceled, like, immediately. I am just not very woke. I say what I think. I think I'm funny. A lot of people might not think I'm funny, but Chris would seem to think that I was funny.
And we would just go around the party, and I just happened to start clowning on one person. Don't know who it was. And...
And we would just go around the party, and I just happened to start clowning on one person. Don't know who it was. And...
just shortly after she she just left and i'm just wondering if i was too much for her you know like if my jokes were just you know hitting too too hard like on people i mean that could be it do you know who the person was that like you were kind of attacking i mean she just kind of had some funny pigtails and i made some kind of below the belt jokes that
just shortly after she she just left and i'm just wondering if i was too much for her you know like if my jokes were just you know hitting too too hard like on people i mean that could be it do you know who the person was that like you were kind of attacking i mean she just kind of had some funny pigtails and i made some kind of below the belt jokes that
It seemed like it didn't go over well and everything else was. Yeah, just a random person, just another random person at this bougie get-together.
It seemed like it didn't go over well and everything else was. Yeah, just a random person, just another random person at this bougie get-together.
Possibly. That could make sense. It's just so strange because she was throwing some out there that, like, my... you know, my friends could be offended at. And so I'm thinking this just didn't make sense. It was just kind of out of left field.
Possibly. That could make sense. It's just so strange because she was throwing some out there that, like, my... you know, my friends could be offended at. And so I'm thinking this just didn't make sense. It was just kind of out of left field.
I wanted to get a few more free drinks. You know, I mean, come on, endless bar. Yeah. Who doesn't, you know? And I told her I'm going to go get a drink. And just as soon as, like, I'm there and back, you know, with two Mai Tais, she's gone.
I wanted to get a few more free drinks. You know, I mean, come on, endless bar. Yeah. Who doesn't, you know? And I told her I'm going to go get a drink. And just as soon as, like, I'm there and back, you know, with two Mai Tais, she's gone.
Really, it's just so strange because we were having so much fun. I couldn't get enough of her that night. It was great.
Really, it's just so strange because we were having so much fun. I couldn't get enough of her that night. It was great.
Carissa invited me to an art gallery. We were having a great time, free drinks, feeding each other, cracking jokes, and really just roasting everyone we saw there. I just noticed that after I was poking fun at somebody, she sort of left as I went to grab more drinks for us. She just disappeared from the party.
Carissa invited me to an art gallery. We were having a great time, free drinks, feeding each other, cracking jokes, and really just roasting everyone we saw there. I just noticed that after I was poking fun at somebody, she sort of left as I went to grab more drinks for us. She just disappeared from the party.
Who was it?
Who was it?
You're talking about a woman?
You're talking about a woman?
I'm really... I mean, I thought that she looked like an Oompa Loompa, but she kind of was like... She's kind of like, like that hot oompa loompa. Like you're saying that was, wait a second.
I'm really... I mean, I thought that she looked like an Oompa Loompa, but she kind of was like... She's kind of like, like that hot oompa loompa. Like you're saying that was, wait a second.
Look, in the amount of time that we had to get to know each other in our sense of humor and our openness, you don't think you could have told me that and that I wouldn't have been like, hey, this is cool. Let's, you know, talk more. Seriously. Seriously.
Look, in the amount of time that we had to get to know each other in our sense of humor and our openness, you don't think you could have told me that and that I wouldn't have been like, hey, this is cool. Let's, you know, talk more. Seriously. Seriously.
I'm just pulling your chain.
I'm just pulling your chain.
Maybe a little bit. I know that you didn't want to tell me. I can understand why.
Maybe a little bit. I know that you didn't want to tell me. I can understand why.
Maybe we can go people watch at, like, you know, the beach or something sometime. You know, just the boardwalk.
Maybe we can go people watch at, like, you know, the beach or something sometime. You know, just the boardwalk.
If I see one of my exes, you'll know what happened, okay? And we'll just be even.
If I see one of my exes, you'll know what happened, okay? And we'll just be even.
No, she just left the event that she invited me to. That's all. Oh. She invited me to this art gallery for a friend, and she said, she doesn't even like art, but like, I'm like, hell yeah, free booze, free tapas.
No, she just left the event that she invited me to. That's all. Oh. She invited me to this art gallery for a friend, and she said, she doesn't even like art, but like, I'm like, hell yeah, free booze, free tapas.
You know, and like, and the kind of people that show up at those, you know, they're just fun to make fun of, you know, like, many hipsters. Oh, it's super fun. Like, people watching is great. Yeah. She was able to throw him out just like the hard balls, you know, like the curve balls. And I'm thinking, she's great. We're going back and forth, making fun of people, feeding each other.
And I'm like, we're having a great time. I'm thinking, why would I not want to go out on a second date with this person? Long story short, now, I have to explain this. If I had my own radio show, I'd probably be canceled, like, immediately. I am just not very woke. I say what I think. I think I'm funny. A lot of people might not think I'm funny, but Chris would seem to think that I was funny.
And we would just go around the party, and I just happened to start clowning on one person. Don't know who it was. And...
just shortly after she she just left and i'm just wondering if i was too much for her you know like if my jokes were just you know hitting too too hard like on people i mean that could be it do you know who the person was that like you were kind of attacking i mean she just kind of had some funny pigtails and i made some kind of below the belt jokes that
It seemed like it didn't go over well and everything else was. Yeah, just a random person, just another random person at this bougie get-together.
Possibly. That could make sense. It's just so strange because she was throwing some out there that, like, my... you know, my friends could be offended at. And so I'm thinking this just didn't make sense. It was just kind of out of left field.
I wanted to get a few more free drinks. You know, I mean, come on, endless bar. Yeah. Who doesn't, you know? And I told her I'm going to go get a drink. And just as soon as, like, I'm there and back, you know, with two Mai Tais, she's gone.
Really, it's just so strange because we were having so much fun. I couldn't get enough of her that night. It was great.
Carissa invited me to an art gallery. We were having a great time, free drinks, feeding each other, cracking jokes, and really just roasting everyone we saw there. I just noticed that after I was poking fun at somebody, she sort of left as I went to grab more drinks for us. She just disappeared from the party.
Who was it?
You're talking about a woman?
I'm really... I mean, I thought that she looked like an Oompa Loompa, but she kind of was like... She's kind of like, like that hot oompa loompa. Like you're saying that was, wait a second.
Look, in the amount of time that we had to get to know each other in our sense of humor and our openness, you don't think you could have told me that and that I wouldn't have been like, hey, this is cool. Let's, you know, talk more. Seriously. Seriously.
I'm just pulling your chain.
Maybe a little bit. I know that you didn't want to tell me. I can understand why.
Maybe we can go people watch at, like, you know, the beach or something sometime. You know, just the boardwalk.
If I see one of my exes, you'll know what happened, okay? And we'll just be even.
No, she just left the event that she invited me to. That's all. Oh. She invited me to this art gallery for a friend, and she said, she doesn't even like art, but like, I'm like, hell yeah, free booze, free tapas.
If I see a cop, just drive by him, get off the freeway, flip around, and then go drive by him at like 120. When you get away, you, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. Like, you know, you couldn't sleep. It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your, through your system. That's when I started teaching them about the dark web.
If I see a cop, just drive by him, get off the freeway, flip around, and then go drive by him at like 120. When you get away, you, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. Like, you know, you couldn't sleep. It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your, through your system. That's when I started teaching them about the dark web.
So I was basically in rehab for that, which kind of sucked, but, um, you know, it's, it's much better than, than jail. You know, there was girls in there, there was, you know, you could watch TV, have a phone and such. So it wasn't the worst, but it just kind of sucked. It wasn't how I thought my 21st birthday would go.
So I was basically in rehab for that, which kind of sucked, but, um, you know, it's, it's much better than, than jail. You know, there was girls in there, there was, you know, you could watch TV, have a phone and such. So it wasn't the worst, but it just kind of sucked. It wasn't how I thought my 21st birthday would go.
No, no, not at that point Okay, I What we'll get to that if that's coming. All right, so So this went on This went on for probably till mid-2014. Then I began to stop taking the Suboxone. And I was doing heroin again. And that's when I ended up catching my first charge. Shortly after that. Basically, I had a friend that ended up. snitching on our mutual drug dealer.
No, no, not at that point Okay, I What we'll get to that if that's coming. All right, so So this went on This went on for probably till mid-2014. Then I began to stop taking the Suboxone. And I was doing heroin again. And that's when I ended up catching my first charge. Shortly after that. Basically, I had a friend that ended up. snitching on our mutual drug dealer.
He drove dump trucks like locally. He wasn't like over the road thing. So he was, you know, he was home every night. You know, he wasn't out driving. So. And my mom, she was like a book. She does like payroll and bookkeeper checks and checks and stuff like that. For like an old folks community, basically.
He drove dump trucks like locally. He wasn't like over the road thing. So he was, you know, he was home every night. You know, he wasn't out driving. So. And my mom, she was like a book. She does like payroll and bookkeeper checks and checks and stuff like that. For like an old folks community, basically.
He was my drug dealer, which I introduced my friend to. And he ends up getting caught for something. He snitches on the drug dealer to get out of it. And in that, in all of that, I am always coming and going from the guy's house.
He was my drug dealer, which I introduced my friend to. And he ends up getting caught for something. He snitches on the drug dealer to get out of it. And in that, in all of that, I am always coming and going from the guy's house.
the police see that and one day they're sitting there around the corner i pull off they follow me i get pulled over searched they say we know where you were we know what you were doing where's the drugs blah blah blah so that was my first charge of possession of narcotics possession of paraphernalia You know, not too bad, but it was my first, you know, real serious brush with the law.
the police see that and one day they're sitting there around the corner i pull off they follow me i get pulled over searched they say we know where you were we know what you were doing where's the drugs blah blah blah so that was my first charge of possession of narcotics possession of paraphernalia You know, not too bad, but it was my first, you know, real serious brush with the law.
I had gotten in a little bit of trouble when I was under 18 for weed and stuff, obviously. Not serious, but... Those charges, so I'm in county jail, miserable. My parents get me a lawyer. So that was $15,000 for a simple drug charge, which I think now that I look at it, that is insane. I should have paid maybe 5K at most.
I had gotten in a little bit of trouble when I was under 18 for weed and stuff, obviously. Not serious, but... Those charges, so I'm in county jail, miserable. My parents get me a lawyer. So that was $15,000 for a simple drug charge, which I think now that I look at it, that is insane. I should have paid maybe 5K at most.
Honestly, I should have, but it was my first, you know, real charge. I was scared. You know, I thought I need to get a good lawyer. So I got the best lawyer basically in town for this, which was kind of stupid looking back. But, you know, hindsight, you know, 2020.
Honestly, I should have, but it was my first, you know, real charge. I was scared. You know, I thought I need to get a good lawyer. So I got the best lawyer basically in town for this, which was kind of stupid looking back. But, you know, hindsight, you know, 2020.
Same scenario here. Right. So 15K gets me a deferred prosecution agreement, which I could have got with the public defender anyway as my first as my first offense. Right. So then I was back on the street. Um, they had me on like a year basically of probation. I had to do community service, you know, all that bullshit.
Same scenario here. Right. So 15K gets me a deferred prosecution agreement, which I could have got with the public defender anyway as my first as my first offense. Right. So then I was back on the street. Um, they had me on like a year basically of probation. I had to do community service, you know, all that bullshit.
So I took that, I did take that seriously, um, because I didn't want to go to jail, obviously again. Um, so I remained sober for that until, uh, 2015. And then June, 2015 is, uh, my best friend had ended up OD basically. Um, and, uh, Let's see. We, he was, so I was just at the tail end of this DPA, probably like a month left. Uh, my friend dies, this OD. It hit me really hard. Um,
So I took that, I did take that seriously, um, because I didn't want to go to jail, obviously again. Um, so I remained sober for that until, uh, 2015. And then June, 2015 is, uh, my best friend had ended up OD basically. Um, and, uh, Let's see. We, he was, so I was just at the tail end of this DPA, probably like a month left. Uh, my friend dies, this OD. It hit me really hard. Um,
because I hung out with him every day. We went to school together. He was at that public school in high school. So he ODs, passes, leaves, you know, his young son at that time, he's probably four years old, his girlfriend, you know, the rest of his family, you know, and his friends. So that kind of That kind of ended up with me going into a spiral of relapse and destructive behavior.
because I hung out with him every day. We went to school together. He was at that public school in high school. So he ODs, passes, leaves, you know, his young son at that time, he's probably four years old, his girlfriend, you know, the rest of his family, you know, and his friends. So that kind of That kind of ended up with me going into a spiral of relapse and destructive behavior.
I would be getting high. I would be going to street races. I'd be running from the police purposefully. That was one of the things that I just really enjoyed doing. I would go out late at night. Got on the freeway, kind of head north out of the city. And just if I see a cop, just drive by him, get off the freeway, flip around and then go drive by him at like 120. So this is on a motorcycle.
I would be getting high. I would be going to street races. I'd be running from the police purposefully. That was one of the things that I just really enjoyed doing. I would go out late at night. Got on the freeway, kind of head north out of the city. And just if I see a cop, just drive by him, get off the freeway, flip around and then go drive by him at like 120. So this is on a motorcycle.
I'm assuming you're on a. No, no, no, no. In a car.
I'm assuming you're on a. No, no, no, no. In a car.
I had two, well, I had three cars during that short, during this time frame, basically. I had two Honda Civics. One of them was basically a fully built all-motor car. And it made probably about 270 horsepower. But it only weighed, you know, 2,000 pounds. So this thing was basically a go-kart, you know.
I had two, well, I had three cars during that short, during this time frame, basically. I had two Honda Civics. One of them was basically a fully built all-motor car. And it made probably about 270 horsepower. But it only weighed, you know, 2,000 pounds. So this thing was basically a go-kart, you know.
yeah and and it was and it was fast man you know 270 horsepower if anything nowadays but back then and with the the conditions and everything it was it was a quick car and so i would go I would, but I would go blow by him at a hundred, 120 or whatever. I would kind of wait to see if they're going to follow me.
yeah and and it was and it was fast man you know 270 horsepower if anything nowadays but back then and with the the conditions and everything it was it was a quick car and so i would go I would, but I would go blow by him at a hundred, 120 or whatever. I would kind of wait to see if they're going to follow me.
Yep. So I my first high school, my first high school I went to, I got expelled because. Why? Because I listen to this, man. So I was I was in basically study hall, which is right before lunch. So I had a pipe in my backpack and I didn't have any weed or anything like that.
Yep. So I my first high school, my first high school I went to, I got expelled because. Why? Because I listen to this, man. So I was I was in basically study hall, which is right before lunch. So I had a pipe in my backpack and I didn't have any weed or anything like that.
Cause sometimes it just wouldn't, you know, they would just, they would just keep sitting there and just let me go. Um, but the best times were when they would pull out. Um, obviously as soon as I seen those lights, my adrenaline went from, from here to, you know, all the way up here. Um, And that was on top of getting high.
Cause sometimes it just wouldn't, you know, they would just, they would just keep sitting there and just let me go. Um, but the best times were when they would pull out. Um, obviously as soon as I seen those lights, my adrenaline went from, from here to, you know, all the way up here. Um, And that was on top of getting high.
I think that was probably one of the, one of the best drugs that I've had done basically was, was the adrenaline rush from, from running from the police. Uh, cause after you do that, when you get away, you, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. Like, you know, you couldn't sleep. It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your, through your system. Uh,
I think that was probably one of the, one of the best drugs that I've had done basically was, was the adrenaline rush from, from running from the police. Uh, cause after you do that, when you get away, you, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. Like, you know, you couldn't sleep. It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your, through your system. Uh,
And then I also had a Subaru WRX STI that was also fully built, 600 horsepower, big turbo, all that. Which, I mean, that was fun to run from the cops in, but I really liked that car and I didn't want to fuck it up. So, you know, a Honda Civic is a Honda Civic, but this car was, it's basically... Full full cost of everything. Right. Body, everything, all that.
And then I also had a Subaru WRX STI that was also fully built, 600 horsepower, big turbo, all that. Which, I mean, that was fun to run from the cops in, but I really liked that car and I didn't want to fuck it up. So, you know, a Honda Civic is a Honda Civic, but this car was, it's basically... Full full cost of everything. Right. Body, everything, all that.
Maybe I can get some pictures or something like that and we can throw them up. So besides my street racing, doing drugs and all that, I was. We'll go back a little bit. When I had first started dabbling back in public high school, junior, senior year, so 2010, 2011, I started hearing about the dark depth. Or the dark web, whatever you want to call it.
Maybe I can get some pictures or something like that and we can throw them up. So besides my street racing, doing drugs and all that, I was. We'll go back a little bit. When I had first started dabbling back in public high school, junior, senior year, so 2010, 2011, I started hearing about the dark depth. Or the dark web, whatever you want to call it.
So I had ordered some drugs from there back then. You know, just here and there. I wasn't really into it. But fast forward, we're back to, you know, that time frame after my friend dies. I'm running 20, 2015, whatever. So... I get back on the dark web basically. And I think, um, this is, this is what I'm going to start doing. So I began to, uh, get drugs off there.
So I had ordered some drugs from there back then. You know, just here and there. I wasn't really into it. But fast forward, we're back to, you know, that time frame after my friend dies. I'm running 20, 2015, whatever. So... I get back on the dark web basically. And I think, um, this is, this is what I'm going to start doing. So I began to, uh, get drugs off there.
Um, basically ordering heroin, you know, all the ones that I enjoy basically all the downers. Um, and then I would get other drugs that I would sell. What form is this? So there was a few. There was in the beginning, obviously, there was like Silk Road and stuff like that. That was on. Then we get to these Hansa market. I mean, there was there was a bunch of of these marketplaces, basically.
Um, basically ordering heroin, you know, all the ones that I enjoy basically all the downers. Um, and then I would get other drugs that I would sell. What form is this? So there was a few. There was in the beginning, obviously, there was like Silk Road and stuff like that. That was on. Then we get to these Hansa market. I mean, there was there was a bunch of of these marketplaces, basically.
And it's basically like eBay. Right. For drugs. Right. And anything illegal. So I begin to do that and I start, obviously it gets very expensive. So then I have to start figuring out ways I can offset the money that I'm spending. I have a connection to a lab in China where I was getting things for very cheap, like benzo, those research chemicals. I'm not sure if you know anything about those.
And it's basically like eBay. Right. For drugs. Right. And anything illegal. So I begin to do that and I start, obviously it gets very expensive. So then I have to start figuring out ways I can offset the money that I'm spending. I have a connection to a lab in China where I was getting things for very cheap, like benzo, those research chemicals. I'm not sure if you know anything about those.
They're basically drugs that haven't been used, approved for anything. They're basically... made in a lab, someone makes some tweaks to a molecule, and they come up with a different drug. Right, so it's legal. Well, it's sort of legal. For example, you have Xanax, which is alprazolam.
They're basically drugs that haven't been used, approved for anything. They're basically... made in a lab, someone makes some tweaks to a molecule, and they come up with a different drug. Right, so it's legal. Well, it's sort of legal. For example, you have Xanax, which is alprazolam.
So one of the research chemical versions would be flu alprazolam, basically, which is just a fluorinated version of alprazolam. It's more potent, lasts longer, and stuff like that. So, um, I'm getting these research chemicals and such from this lab in China. Um, I could get, uh, the grams were $45.
So one of the research chemical versions would be flu alprazolam, basically, which is just a fluorinated version of alprazolam. It's more potent, lasts longer, and stuff like that. So, um, I'm getting these research chemicals and such from this lab in China. Um, I could get, uh, the grams were $45.
Um, and if I bought more, which I started doing, um, cause at first I would buy two grams of, you know, this two grams of that, two grams of this, and then I would take it, I would get it, repackage it. Also, um, uh, market it, basically press, press these into, uh, press them into pills and then sell them on the dark net also locally, you know, here and there to people that I trusted.
Um, and if I bought more, which I started doing, um, cause at first I would buy two grams of, you know, this two grams of that, two grams of this, and then I would take it, I would get it, repackage it. Also, um, uh, market it, basically press, press these into, uh, press them into pills and then sell them on the dark net also locally, you know, here and there to people that I trusted.
but i went to the bathroom i took a you know took a little hit off of whatever was left in that pipe you know just uh i was bored you know study hall i was i didn't really care about you know school at that point so i was just uh trying to get high and and hang out basically so i come back from the bathroom and this uh this girl that was sitting uh behind me to the left
but i went to the bathroom i took a you know took a little hit off of whatever was left in that pipe you know just uh i was bored you know study hall i was i didn't really care about you know school at that point so i was just uh trying to get high and and hang out basically so i come back from the bathroom and this uh this girl that was sitting uh behind me to the left
Um, so let me just say this off of, of, you know, $45 for a gram of, of one of these things, um, which is basically the, about 1000 doses. So I would turn around and sell them for, you know, basically $3 a dose. So the profit margin is pretty, pretty big on that. So I'm starting to get money from that. Everything's good. And this is when I start Well, the fentanyl really comes into play here.
Um, so let me just say this off of, of, you know, $45 for a gram of, of one of these things, um, which is basically the, about 1000 doses. So I would turn around and sell them for, you know, basically $3 a dose. So the profit margin is pretty, pretty big on that. So I'm starting to get money from that. Everything's good. And this is when I start Well, the fentanyl really comes into play here.
Yeah. So, I mean, I was selling most of it on the dark net on one of these. Okay.
Yeah. So, I mean, I was selling most of it on the dark net on one of these. Okay.
Yeah. I, I, I started, I got a vendor account because at first I was just a buy. I just had a buying account. So I had to get verified. Did you become a vendor? Basically, they got to pay, um, you got to pay a fee. Basically they'll let you in. They'll, they'll check you out. You got to,
Yeah. I, I, I started, I got a vendor account because at first I was just a buy. I just had a buying account. So I had to get verified. Did you become a vendor? Basically, they got to pay, um, you got to pay a fee. Basically they'll let you in. They'll, they'll check you out. You got to,
um you know do verification type things to become a vendor so i become a vendor i'm doing that selling those rcs and stuff and then you know that's that's when the fence and then i do in between all that i was doing little little stuff here and there to to support myself like um I would get credit card numbers.
um you know do verification type things to become a vendor so i become a vendor i'm doing that selling those rcs and stuff and then you know that's that's when the fence and then i do in between all that i was doing little little stuff here and there to to support myself like um I would get credit card numbers.
I would get accounts for, you know, bank accounts, cryptocurrency account, Coinbase, you know, basically any type of account, Netflix. And I was either reselling them or using them like to buy things or transferring the money, buying crypto with it. And then I would get transferred to my own account that basically.
I would get accounts for, you know, bank accounts, cryptocurrency account, Coinbase, you know, basically any type of account, Netflix. And I was either reselling them or using them like to buy things or transferring the money, buying crypto with it. And then I would get transferred to my own account that basically.
I, I ended up finding a guy down in Florida who was, who was getting, getting that stuff. I don't know. I probably tried to, but so that was my first one. There was also a couple in in Canada that ran like a retail boutique type clothing store. But in the back is where they had their their operation for their vendor on the dark net.
I, I ended up finding a guy down in Florida who was, who was getting, getting that stuff. I don't know. I probably tried to, but so that was my first one. There was also a couple in in Canada that ran like a retail boutique type clothing store. But in the back is where they had their their operation for their vendor on the dark net.
So they were selling, you know, all kinds of stuff out there, but mostly. um there was also a guy down in texas and then later on um there was a guy in wisconsin um just like an hour away um so i've got you know multiple connections so i'm getting different types of of this from from all these guys they all got different types uh have analogs basically of the fact
So they were selling, you know, all kinds of stuff out there, but mostly. um there was also a guy down in texas and then later on um there was a guy in wisconsin um just like an hour away um so i've got you know multiple connections so i'm getting different types of of this from from all these guys they all got different types uh have analogs basically of the fact
um, I don't want to start listing off the names cause that's, um, you know, YouTube might take, take, you know, too many.
um, I don't want to start listing off the names cause that's, um, you know, YouTube might take, take, you know, too many.
Yeah. So a lot of different stuff. Um, so basically I would take that, um, I would take that Fent powder and I would make a solution. I would order about 100 or 200 of these, like a nasal spray, you know, like an empty nasal spray bottles off Amazon. And then just a big jug of saline solution.
Yeah. So a lot of different stuff. Um, so basically I would take that, um, I would take that Fent powder and I would make a solution. I would order about 100 or 200 of these, like a nasal spray, you know, like an empty nasal spray bottles off Amazon. And then just a big jug of saline solution.
I would make a big solution, a volumetric solution with this, uh, with the, um, you know, the stuff and, um, turn it into, um, a nasal spray that, uh, you know, didn't look like it was drugs, right? It's just nasal saline spray. And I even had, uh, um, custom labels made up my own labels that I put on it. Um, You know, so it looked legit.
I would make a big solution, a volumetric solution with this, uh, with the, um, you know, the stuff and, um, turn it into, um, a nasal spray that, uh, you know, didn't look like it was drugs, right? It's just nasal saline spray. And I even had, uh, um, custom labels made up my own labels that I put on it. Um, You know, so it looked legit.
So that's when it was big time, basically, when I started figuring out the nasal spray thing, and I was doing that.
So that's when it was big time, basically, when I started figuring out the nasal spray thing, and I was doing that.
Apparently, she smelled that I smelled like weed. And she basically texted her mom. Her mom called the school office. The school office then alerted the security there. They came down. And all of a sudden, I notice there is a teacher that comes in and just kind of walks through. And she's looking around.
Apparently, she smelled that I smelled like weed. And she basically texted her mom. Her mom called the school office. The school office then alerted the security there. They came down. And all of a sudden, I notice there is a teacher that comes in and just kind of walks through. And she's looking around.
You know, it's hard to say because I... I was spending so much at the same time. Like I would, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't saving any money. So I would probably say, um, Jeez, probably $5,000 a week in profit or so. Okay. Not bad. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, it's a decent living. It's a lot. If you can maintain it. Yeah, if you can maintain it, which is the problem, right? Exactly. Yeah.
You know, it's hard to say because I... I was spending so much at the same time. Like I would, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't saving any money. So I would probably say, um, Jeez, probably $5,000 a week in profit or so. Okay. Not bad. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, it's a decent living. It's a lot. If you can maintain it. Yeah, if you can maintain it, which is the problem, right? Exactly. Yeah.
So from 2016 to 2018, that's basically, that was my main hustle, was vending on the dark net. Right. You know, also the, you know, and then street racing, a little bit of fraud here and there. I would, very early on, I found, you know what 4chan is?
So from 2016 to 2018, that's basically, that was my main hustle, was vending on the dark net. Right. You know, also the, you know, and then street racing, a little bit of fraud here and there. I would, very early on, I found, you know what 4chan is?
Message, basically. Oh, yeah, yeah. Message board, right? On there, way back in the day, people started making these fake coupons for things like electronic stores and stuff like that. So I would get a coupon, basically, and it would be for a brand new video game that just came out. $60, $80 game, and I get it for $1 using this coupon. Online or you go in the store? No, in the store.
Message, basically. Oh, yeah, yeah. Message board, right? On there, way back in the day, people started making these fake coupons for things like electronic stores and stuff like that. So I would get a coupon, basically, and it would be for a brand new video game that just came out. $60, $80 game, and I get it for $1 using this coupon. Online or you go in the store? No, in the store.
Right in the store. And so the coupon isn't, it's not legit, obviously, but the people running the register there are Teenage kids, you know, I'm talking about, you know, going to GameStop. You know, you don't have, you know, super highly intelligent trained people work in the register there. So they see the coupon. They try to scan it. It doesn't scan through. They override it.
Right in the store. And so the coupon isn't, it's not legit, obviously, but the people running the register there are Teenage kids, you know, I'm talking about, you know, going to GameStop. You know, you don't have, you know, super highly intelligent trained people work in the register there. So they see the coupon. They try to scan it. It doesn't scan through. They override it.
They override it and they enter it in. So I'm getting these games for a dollar. Brand new games. I just can't come out. Um, also, uh, you know, coupons for, for grocery stores, load up a whole cart, meat, ribs, steaks, all that stuff, get it for a couple bucks.
They override it and they enter it in. So I'm getting these games for a dollar. Brand new games. I just can't come out. Um, also, uh, you know, coupons for, for grocery stores, load up a whole cart, meat, ribs, steaks, all that stuff, get it for a couple bucks.
Um, so little, little, you know, nickel and dime stuff like that was, uh, was going on kind of before I started the big dark net, uh, vending. Right. Um, and then, and then all that just seemed, uh, well, some of it went away that the, the coupon stuff obviously didn't last long. You had, uh, homeless people that found out about it and they were, they were abusing it so, so hard that, um,
Um, so little, little, you know, nickel and dime stuff like that was, uh, was going on kind of before I started the big dark net, uh, vending. Right. Um, and then, and then all that just seemed, uh, well, some of it went away that the, the coupon stuff obviously didn't last long. You had, uh, homeless people that found out about it and they were, they were abusing it so, so hard that, um,
there was actually like nationwide emails sent out to all these companies that, you know, about these coupons, they're not legit and stuff like that.
there was actually like nationwide emails sent out to all these companies that, you know, about these coupons, they're not legit and stuff like that.
Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what happened. They towards the end, you would go in there with the coupon and they would say, no, we know what this is. Get out of here. I'm going to call the cops. Don't come back. we get to probably the 2016 to 2018 era, um, which, uh, which was the, the big money making one.
Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what happened. They towards the end, you would go in there with the coupon and they would say, no, we know what this is. Get out of here. I'm going to call the cops. Don't come back. we get to probably the 2016 to 2018 era, um, which, uh, which was the, the big money making one.
And probably about a minute or two into her doing that, I realized that she's kind of really just focusing on me. So I start devising a plan to get rid of this pipe that I have because they're obviously going to check me in. I know I don't have anything in my locker, so that's good. So Study Hall gets let out.
And probably about a minute or two into her doing that, I realized that she's kind of really just focusing on me. So I start devising a plan to get rid of this pipe that I have because they're obviously going to check me in. I know I don't have anything in my locker, so that's good. So Study Hall gets let out.
So during the end of that, towards the end, um, end of 2017, beginning of 2018, eventually packages begin to go missing. Um, weird things start happening. They're arriving late. Um, you know, obviously something's going on and right then I should have known, uh, you know, that there was an investigation going on.
So during the end of that, towards the end, um, end of 2017, beginning of 2018, eventually packages begin to go missing. Um, weird things start happening. They're arriving late. Um, you know, obviously something's going on and right then I should have known, uh, you know, that there was an investigation going on.
I should have, you know, I should have cut bait and I should have just, I should have got out of there. Um, I probably could have, you know, got away at that point, uh, without being, being identified because, um, Basically, they were investigating a case where one of those vendors, I believe it was the Canadian one, sent some of their stuff to someone down in the United States.
I should have, you know, I should have cut bait and I should have just, I should have got out of there. Um, I probably could have, you know, got away at that point, uh, without being, being identified because, um, Basically, they were investigating a case where one of those vendors, I believe it was the Canadian one, sent some of their stuff to someone down in the United States.
They ended up ODing, and they found... they found the evidence basically of, of dark net transactions. They found the package that came in stuff like that. So they knew, uh, that they were dealing with more than just, you know, uh, some kid on the street that, you know, go, go down to the hood and got some stuff and NLD. Right. Um, so they, uh,
They ended up ODing, and they found... they found the evidence basically of, of dark net transactions. They found the package that came in stuff like that. So they knew, uh, that they were dealing with more than just, you know, uh, some kid on the street that, you know, go, go down to the hood and got some stuff and NLD. Right. Um, so they, uh,
A task force has started with the FBI, the USPS postmaster, local sheriffs, local government, local law enforcement, all of them. They start this huge operation to take down all these fentanyl dealers and stuff like that. 2018 is when beginning of 2018 I believe it was February or March is when my door gets kicked in and I was it was it was they didn't knock on the door and no No, no, no.
A task force has started with the FBI, the USPS postmaster, local sheriffs, local government, local law enforcement, all of them. They start this huge operation to take down all these fentanyl dealers and stuff like that. 2018 is when beginning of 2018 I believe it was February or March is when my door gets kicked in and I was it was it was they didn't knock on the door and no No, no, no.
They did. They did. Actually, they did because I was sleeping at the time, so I didn't answer. So they're at the door. They're all surrounding the house. There's probably 20, 25 of these cops all down the block surrounding every street, you know, because they didn't know what to expect. But what they did know is that I...
They did. They did. Actually, they did because I was sleeping at the time, so I didn't answer. So they're at the door. They're all surrounding the house. There's probably 20, 25 of these cops all down the block surrounding every street, you know, because they didn't know what to expect. But what they did know is that I...
Cause everybody knew and they, and they were, they wanted to get involved basically. And I'm like, listen guys, I'm here because of this. Why do you want to get involved in this? Because I'm in the same place you are. You're just going to come back if you get into this. Basically, World of Warcraft hacks for a game.
Cause everybody knew and they, and they were, they wanted to get involved basically. And I'm like, listen guys, I'm here because of this. Why do you want to get involved in this? Because I'm in the same place you are. You're just going to come back if you get into this. Basically, World of Warcraft hacks for a game.
They had circumstantial evidence at that point that I was one of these people involved in this operation, which they weren't wrong. So yeah, so I end up The door gets kicked in. I hear this. I'm actually sleeping at the time. Now, most raids happen, you know, people say 4 in the morning, whatever, when people are sleeping. This happened at like 10.30 in the morning.
They had circumstantial evidence at that point that I was one of these people involved in this operation, which they weren't wrong. So yeah, so I end up The door gets kicked in. I hear this. I'm actually sleeping at the time. Now, most raids happen, you know, people say 4 in the morning, whatever, when people are sleeping. This happened at like 10.30 in the morning.
But I was expecting a package that day. I know the mail doesn't come until 12, 1 o'clock. So I wasn't too concerned. So I was just, you know, hanging out. I was sleeping, just waiting for the package to get there. Let me rewind. There was a package that came probably two or three days before that. It wasn't the normal mail guy, for one. For two, he didn't just leave it in the mailbox.
But I was expecting a package that day. I know the mail doesn't come until 12, 1 o'clock. So I wasn't too concerned. So I was just, you know, hanging out. I was sleeping, just waiting for the package to get there. Let me rewind. There was a package that came probably two or three days before that. It wasn't the normal mail guy, for one. For two, he didn't just leave it in the mailbox.
He came up to the door and asked for a signature for it. That's another thing that I should have knew that something was going on because this package didn't require a signature. And obviously, I find out that wasn't actually a post of a mailman. No. It was a USPS federal inspector. So yeah, not good. I end up with, from that, I end up with about 18 felonies.
He came up to the door and asked for a signature for it. That's another thing that I should have knew that something was going on because this package didn't require a signature. And obviously, I find out that wasn't actually a post of a mailman. No. It was a USPS federal inspector. So yeah, not good. I end up with, from that, I end up with about 18 felonies.
I jet over to the lunchroom, and I see one of my buddies in there, and I hand the pipe off to him. And I say, hold on to this. You know, I go grab a tray. I get my food. I just get to my seat. I start eating and all of the security and the principal come in and they say, we need to talk to you. Come with us. So basically, they took me up to the office. They told me about the allegations.
I jet over to the lunchroom, and I see one of my buddies in there, and I hand the pipe off to him. And I say, hold on to this. You know, I go grab a tray. I get my food. I just get to my seat. I start eating and all of the security and the principal come in and they say, we need to talk to you. Come with us. So basically, they took me up to the office. They told me about the allegations.
for possession of all these substances, for conspiracy to distribute, conspiracy to get it. And there was a couple misdemeanors too in there as well.
for possession of all these substances, for conspiracy to distribute, conspiracy to get it. And there was a couple misdemeanors too in there as well.
So at the time my door gets kicked in, I was living in Milwaukee.
So at the time my door gets kicked in, I was living in Milwaukee.
No, no, not at that time. So I get these charges, 18 felonies, a bunch of misdemeanors. And I think I'm fucked. But the good thing is that when I heard that door get kicked in, I jumped out of my bed. I knew immediately that it was the police. I jump out of my bed. I run over. I kick my computer off. Basically, I just kicked the damn thing, and it ends up turning off and locking, basically.
No, no, not at that time. So I get these charges, 18 felonies, a bunch of misdemeanors. And I think I'm fucked. But the good thing is that when I heard that door get kicked in, I jumped out of my bed. I knew immediately that it was the police. I jump out of my bed. I run over. I kick my computer off. Basically, I just kicked the damn thing, and it ends up turning off and locking, basically.
Everything was encrypted on my computer. If it wasn't already open, you're not going to get on it unless you have the keys, the password, all that. So they weren't able to get into my computer, which saved me from a lot of the charges. I can look at some of the charges here on the court documents. There was everything from... I think I already said basically all the charges.
Everything was encrypted on my computer. If it wasn't already open, you're not going to get on it unless you have the keys, the password, all that. So they weren't able to get into my computer, which saved me from a lot of the charges. I can look at some of the charges here on the court documents. There was everything from... I think I already said basically all the charges.
I'm getting a little I'm getting a little lost here.
I'm getting a little I'm getting a little lost here.
Yeah, this is this is basically the first time I'm telling I'm telling any of this story. Right. Except for people that know me and stuff like that. So I'm in county jail. Well, let me rewind. They raid the house. They get me out, you know, put me in the car. They're searching the house. They go through everything. They end up.
Yeah, this is this is basically the first time I'm telling I'm telling any of this story. Right. Except for people that know me and stuff like that. So I'm in county jail. Well, let me rewind. They raid the house. They get me out, you know, put me in the car. They're searching the house. They go through everything. They end up.
Um, one of the cops actually ends up stealing from one of my, uh, roommates. Um, and in his room, he had a thousand dollars. He had a thousand dollars in a Bible that, that was like his, his emergency money. You know, if something comes up, right. So they, they go in there and they, you know, they tear apart everyone, everyone's shit.
Um, one of the cops actually ends up stealing from one of my, uh, roommates. Um, and in his room, he had a thousand dollars. He had a thousand dollars in a Bible that, that was like his, his emergency money. You know, if something comes up, right. So they, they go in there and they, you know, they tear apart everyone, everyone's shit.
You know, when really they should have, they should have just tore apart my stuff and maybe the community, you know, living room, bathroom, stuff like that. Um, but they didn't, they go through the whole house. They steal a thousand dollars from my roommate, uh, out of a Bible. How, uh, how, how great is that? You know, police protecting and serving, um, and stealing.
You know, when really they should have, they should have just tore apart my stuff and maybe the community, you know, living room, bathroom, stuff like that. Um, but they didn't, they go through the whole house. They steal a thousand dollars from my roommate, uh, out of a Bible. How, uh, how, how great is that? You know, police protecting and serving, um, and stealing.
Yeah, exactly. Um, So I'm sitting out in the car. They're going through the house. The longer they're in there, they're bringing out more and more and more stuff. So that's when the detectives approach me and say, hey, what do you want to do about this, basically? Do you want to talk to us or what? And I say, No, not right now.
Yeah, exactly. Um, So I'm sitting out in the car. They're going through the house. The longer they're in there, they're bringing out more and more and more stuff. So that's when the detectives approach me and say, hey, what do you want to do about this, basically? Do you want to talk to us or what? And I say, No, not right now.
I'm I'm not, you know, in a good state of mind at that point because I was still doing drugs and I was I didn't do any before that. So I wasn't feeling good at that time. And I just I said, just take me to jail, you know, get me to the cell. Let me get me in front of the judge and let's get this figured out. But I'm not talking to you about any of this stuff. You know, you do what you got to do.
I'm I'm not, you know, in a good state of mind at that point because I was still doing drugs and I was I didn't do any before that. So I wasn't feeling good at that time. And I just I said, just take me to jail, you know, get me to the cell. Let me get me in front of the judge and let's get this figured out. But I'm not talking to you about any of this stuff. You know, you do what you got to do.
So in county jail, basically, you're supposed to get in front of a judge within 48 to 72 hours here, I believe it is. Um, but during that time, uh, I was coming off all those drugs.
So in county jail, basically, you're supposed to get in front of a judge within 48 to 72 hours here, I believe it is. Um, but during that time, uh, I was coming off all those drugs.
I ended up having, uh, seizures, um, which led to, uh, aspiration pneumonia, um, from, uh, basically I was puking so violently and so often that I ended up inhaling my own puke and that caused an infection in my lungs. Also getting rhabdomyolysis, which is basically your muscles break down. Your muscle fibers end up...
I ended up having, uh, seizures, um, which led to, uh, aspiration pneumonia, um, from, uh, basically I was puking so violently and so often that I ended up inhaling my own puke and that caused an infection in my lungs. Also getting rhabdomyolysis, which is basically your muscles break down. Your muscle fibers end up...
getting in your bloodstream, you know, your whole body and your body isn't made to process all that. So that's why you get kidney failure and stuff because you get these, I'm trying to figure out how to explain, but basically the muscle fibers can't be, they can't be processed properly. So it backs up your system. So I'm in the jail seizing all this other stuff for about two days.
getting in your bloodstream, you know, your whole body and your body isn't made to process all that. So that's why you get kidney failure and stuff because you get these, I'm trying to figure out how to explain, but basically the muscle fibers can't be, they can't be processed properly. So it backs up your system. So I'm in the jail seizing all this other stuff for about two days.
I denied them, obviously. I basically don't have the Bible on you. I didn't have it on me. So, and I know I didn't have any, we had no paraphernalia, nothing else. So I said, all right, you can search. They wanted to search my backpack. They wanted to search my locker. So we searched the backpack in there. They find nothing. We go down to my locker, they pull it all out. They find nothing.
I denied them, obviously. I basically don't have the Bible on you. I didn't have it on me. So, and I know I didn't have any, we had no paraphernalia, nothing else. So I said, all right, you can search. They wanted to search my backpack. They wanted to search my locker. So we searched the backpack in there. They find nothing. We go down to my locker, they pull it all out. They find nothing.
So that's when they basically call medical. Medical comes in, they say, you need to get this kid to the hospital or he's going to die, basically. So they transport me. I go to the hospital. They diagnosed me with all that stuff that I said. And basically, they couldn't talk to me, obviously, at that point.
So that's when they basically call medical. Medical comes in, they say, you need to get this kid to the hospital or he's going to die, basically. So they transport me. I go to the hospital. They diagnosed me with all that stuff that I said. And basically, they couldn't talk to me, obviously, at that point.
So I was actually put into a three-day induced medical coma while they figured out what was going on, testing my blood, all that. Um, so at that, at that time, um, I had, you know, I'd been obviously handcuffed to, to that bed, um, for about 14 days. I think it was actually 12. It's almost two weeks. I'm in, I'm handcuffed to this bed. Um, you know, I couldn't move. I was
So I was actually put into a three-day induced medical coma while they figured out what was going on, testing my blood, all that. Um, so at that, at that time, um, I had, you know, I'd been obviously handcuffed to, to that bed, um, for about 14 days. I think it was actually 12. It's almost two weeks. I'm in, I'm handcuffed to this bed. Um, you know, I couldn't move. I was
I was trying to get over this rhabdomyolysis. And, you know, I was peeing. It was brown. It was like orange, brown. And so I was in basically kidney failure at that point. I was on the edge of needing dialysis, basically, if we couldn't get it sorted quick enough. So that's why I was in the hospital for so long. So they get me on a few medications to stop from seizures and all that.
I was trying to get over this rhabdomyolysis. And, you know, I was peeing. It was brown. It was like orange, brown. And so I was in basically kidney failure at that point. I was on the edge of needing dialysis, basically, if we couldn't get it sorted quick enough. So that's why I was in the hospital for so long. So they get me on a few medications to stop from seizures and all that.
So they end up taking me back. I missed my court date because of all this. Obviously, they couldn't take me to court when I was having seizures. So I get back. They say, I say, you know, when am I going to see the judge? Um, obviously the CEOs in there, they don't, they don't give a shit. They don't know. Uh, well they do know they could look up in the computer, but they don't.
So they end up taking me back. I missed my court date because of all this. Obviously, they couldn't take me to court when I was having seizures. So I get back. They say, I say, you know, when am I going to see the judge? Um, obviously the CEOs in there, they don't, they don't give a shit. They don't know. Uh, well they do know they could look up in the computer, but they don't.
Um, so eventually about a week goes by and they say, Hey, listen, you, uh, you got court in the morning. Um, So I go to court in front of the judge. And during this time, back up, my parents, they didn't know where I was or what was going on, obviously. My house was taped up. I was gone. There was no record of me in the hospital because I was in custody. So my parents had no idea where I was.
Um, so eventually about a week goes by and they say, Hey, listen, you, uh, you got court in the morning. Um, So I go to court in front of the judge. And during this time, back up, my parents, they didn't know where I was or what was going on, obviously. My house was taped up. I was gone. There was no record of me in the hospital because I was in custody. So my parents had no idea where I was.
Um, and they, they end up finding out, I don't know how my dad finds out. Um, he think he went to the jail or he went to the hospital and he actually seen me at the hospital. Um,
Um, and they, they end up finding out, I don't know how my dad finds out. Um, he think he went to the jail or he went to the hospital and he actually seen me at the hospital. Um,
and then they end up getting me a lawyer i get in front of the judge i mean that was another that was another 20k for the lawyer um and i get in front of the judge i was offered um i was offered a plea for uh five and a half years in to out um
and then they end up getting me a lawyer i get in front of the judge i mean that was another that was another 20k for the lawyer um and i get in front of the judge i was offered um i was offered a plea for uh five and a half years in to out um
So basically, they don't really know what to do, basically, because there's no proof that this happened. So they say, all right, well, we're going to suspend you. You need to go take a drug test at some lab and come back to us with the results. And then we'll let you back in, you know, if you pass. So I go do that. And it was about three or four days after I had taken that hit.
So basically, they don't really know what to do, basically, because there's no proof that this happened. So they say, all right, well, we're going to suspend you. You need to go take a drug test at some lab and come back to us with the results. And then we'll let you back in, you know, if you pass. So I go do that. And it was about three or four days after I had taken that hit.
And I held out for probably, I held out for like a week or two, trying to get a better deal, trying to talk to the lawyer, to talk to the DA and stuff like that, you know, trying to get them to take into account, you know, all the medical stuff and all that. So eventually I take that plea because otherwise I would have gone to trial and I probably would have got smoked.
And I held out for probably, I held out for like a week or two, trying to get a better deal, trying to talk to the lawyer, to talk to the DA and stuff like that, you know, trying to get them to take into account, you know, all the medical stuff and all that. So eventually I take that plea because otherwise I would have gone to trial and I probably would have got smoked.
I mean, absolutely just smoked for like 10, 15 years, at least I would bet. Right. Because at that time, you know, that's when the crisis was, was just really starting to hit the mainstream. So yeah, I would have been made a huge, I would have been just a huge, huge win for the, for the county and the state and everyone, basically. If they get this conviction and, and, you know, they can,
I mean, absolutely just smoked for like 10, 15 years, at least I would bet. Right. Because at that time, you know, that's when the crisis was, was just really starting to hit the mainstream. So yeah, I would have been made a huge, I would have been just a huge, huge win for the, for the county and the state and everyone, basically. If they get this conviction and, and, you know, they can,
put in there in the news, you know, they stopped a drug dealer, you know, that was dealing right in your neighborhood, right next to your kids, putting everyone in danger by having this stuff shipped in the mail, you know, something could happen and someone comes in contact with what's inside the package and, First of all, it's never going to happen unless someone tries to get into the package.
put in there in the news, you know, they stopped a drug dealer, you know, that was dealing right in your neighborhood, right next to your kids, putting everyone in danger by having this stuff shipped in the mail, you know, something could happen and someone comes in contact with what's inside the package and, First of all, it's never going to happen unless someone tries to get into the package.
These packages are double vacuum sealed inside an x-ray proof bag, inside another plastic bag, and then put into the shipping container. Anyway, I digress. So anyway, I took this plea five and a half years, basically. So back to county jail, and I wait for the prison transport, which came a few weeks later, and I was off to...
These packages are double vacuum sealed inside an x-ray proof bag, inside another plastic bag, and then put into the shipping container. Anyway, I digress. So anyway, I took this plea five and a half years, basically. So back to county jail, and I wait for the prison transport, which came a few weeks later, and I was off to...
Me and a few other folks were off for a nice drive to Dodge Correctional Institution, which is basically the classification place that they take you. But it's also basically like a maximum security prison, state maximum. So they had a few units for classification.
Me and a few other folks were off for a nice drive to Dodge Correctional Institution, which is basically the classification place that they take you. But it's also basically like a maximum security prison, state maximum. So they had a few units for classification.
Yeah, they had me in a state prison. So the reason it gets, basically, I get charged by the state was because the federal authorities, basically the United States Postmaster and stuff like that, they couldn't prove that I was one, that I was selling this stuff because I had...
Yeah, they had me in a state prison. So the reason it gets, basically, I get charged by the state was because the federal authorities, basically the United States Postmaster and stuff like that, they couldn't prove that I was one, that I was selling this stuff because I had...
uh knocked my computer over it went off they couldn't get into it so there's no record that way however they had before i got arrested there was an investigation going on because they knew someone in that area was shipping things out because they were finding these packages all over the country and they would trace them back to the area where they were shipped like you know they can do that you know they can see exactly what what uh what usps box a package was dropped off into
uh knocked my computer over it went off they couldn't get into it so there's no record that way however they had before i got arrested there was an investigation going on because they knew someone in that area was shipping things out because they were finding these packages all over the country and they would trace them back to the area where they were shipped like you know they can do that you know they can see exactly what what uh what usps box a package was dropped off into
and stamps and all that. So they knew someone in the area was doing this at that time. So basically, you know, they had all this circumstantial stuff, but they didn't have that smoking gun, basically, which was my computer.
and stamps and all that. So they knew someone in the area was doing this at that time. So basically, you know, they had all this circumstantial stuff, but they didn't have that smoking gun, basically, which was my computer.
so so they so they weren't able to so basically they handed off or well i guess they didn't really hand it off because the state was involved the whole time as well right it's a it's a tad course yeah it was a full it was a full task force um so I was in this Dodge Correctional for two and a half months being classified. They go through the gauntlet of medical, dental, vision.
so so they so they weren't able to so basically they handed off or well i guess they didn't really hand it off because the state was involved the whole time as well right it's a it's a tad course yeah it was a full it was a full task force um so I was in this Dodge Correctional for two and a half months being classified. They go through the gauntlet of medical, dental, vision.
They do all that bullshit to make sure everything is... to make sure you're not going to die or you're not physically disabled in some way, and they don't know about it. So in those classification units, you're in your cell 24-7 except for going to that medical appointment or whatever. which, you know, it's trays in your cell. You get out two times a week, maybe three to take a shower.
They do all that bullshit to make sure everything is... to make sure you're not going to die or you're not physically disabled in some way, and they don't know about it. So in those classification units, you're in your cell 24-7 except for going to that medical appointment or whatever. which, you know, it's trays in your cell. You get out two times a week, maybe three to take a shower.
And listen, I was smoking weed every day at that time. So it's in my system. I go take the test. But before I go, I do kind of like at home detox type thing. And then I basically water down my pee. Right. So I go and I pass. no drugs in my system, take it back to them. That still wasn't enough for them.
And listen, I was smoking weed every day at that time. So it's in my system. I go take the test. But before I go, I do kind of like at home detox type thing. And then I basically water down my pee. Right. So I go and I pass. no drugs in my system, take it back to them. That still wasn't enough for them.
Once you get out of the first phase, yeah, the phone, rec, once you get out of the first phase, you can get out an hour for rec. I think it was like three times a week, which, you know, I was happy that, you know, I could get a little bit of sunlight because I had been in the county jail and stuff like that, you know, with no wreck, no outside, no fresh air, nothing.
Once you get out of the first phase, yeah, the phone, rec, once you get out of the first phase, you can get out an hour for rec. I think it was like three times a week, which, you know, I was happy that, you know, I could get a little bit of sunlight because I had been in the county jail and stuff like that, you know, with no wreck, no outside, no fresh air, nothing.
So that was good, but it was still, you know, it wasn't the best situation. So I get out of the classification. They're not trying to make you happy. No, they're not.
So that was good, but it was still, you know, it wasn't the best situation. So I get out of the classification. They're not trying to make you happy. No, they're not.
right but they do do room service though so they do they do there's security anyway yeah security and room service that's basically all you get there so i get out of the classification unit um about two and a half months um i go to one of the other units which is on the other side of the prison which is basically where they where they house inmates that are already sentenced um
right but they do do room service though so they do they do there's security anyway yeah security and room service that's basically all you get there so i get out of the classification unit um about two and a half months um i go to one of the other units which is on the other side of the prison which is basically where they where they house inmates that are already sentenced um
And they were sentenced to do their time at Dodge because it's also a prison, not just a classification.
And they were sentenced to do their time at Dodge because it's also a prison, not just a classification.
No. OK. No, I was I was I was waiting for my transport eventually, which would come. Uh, so I'm in, I'm in the normal housing units where you can actually get out, um, you know, you can get out of your cell for a few hours at a time. There's, there's one TV, there's phones, you know, stuff like that. It's much better than being in your cell 24 seven, obviously. Um, so let's see.
No. OK. No, I was I was I was waiting for my transport eventually, which would come. Uh, so I'm in, I'm in the normal housing units where you can actually get out, um, you know, you can get out of your cell for a few hours at a time. There's, there's one TV, there's phones, you know, stuff like that. It's much better than being in your cell 24 seven, obviously. Um, so let's see.
And that's actually where, in Dodge, is actually where I learned how to fish. Because basically, you know, you're in these cells, and, you know, the guy next to you in the other cell over has something that you want, or you want a tray, or something like that. So to anyone watching, if you know what fishing is, it's not with a rod and a hook on a lake. It is...
And that's actually where, in Dodge, is actually where I learned how to fish. Because basically, you know, you're in these cells, and, you know, the guy next to you in the other cell over has something that you want, or you want a tray, or something like that. So to anyone watching, if you know what fishing is, it's not with a rod and a hook on a lake. It is...
A bar of soap that's carved into a hook. Yep, yep. A bar of soap carved into a hook. Right. You can do... Yeah, there's a few things you can do for your string, basically. You could do elastic if you want to...
A bar of soap that's carved into a hook. Yep, yep. A bar of soap carved into a hook. Right. You can do... Yeah, there's a few things you can do for your string, basically. You could do elastic if you want to...
be able to kind of you take it and kind of fling it and get it towards you know something and catch it or or you do like a long uh uh you pull apart one of your state um things and you've got um you know like just basically a thread um so that's where i learned about that which i kind of blew my mind, um, because I, you know, I had never been in prison.
be able to kind of you take it and kind of fling it and get it towards you know something and catch it or or you do like a long uh uh you pull apart one of your state um things and you've got um you know like just basically a thread um so that's where i learned about that which i kind of blew my mind, um, because I, you know, I had never been in prison.
I didn't know anything about that at the time. So my cell, he taught me how to, how to do that. Yeah. He taught me, you know, a lot of things, um, that I had no idea I would need, uh, for the upcoming, you know, couple of years. Um, so, uh,
I didn't know anything about that at the time. So my cell, he taught me how to, how to do that. Yeah. He taught me, you know, a lot of things, um, that I had no idea I would need, uh, for the upcoming, you know, couple of years. Um, so, uh,
After I'm in that Dodge for a few months, I get transferred finally to Stanley Correctional, which is only about, I would say, a four and a half hour drive straight from Dodge to Stanley. But you've got a whole bus of guys that got to get dropped off at other prisons on the way. So you're on this bus, you know, hands and feet shackled.
After I'm in that Dodge for a few months, I get transferred finally to Stanley Correctional, which is only about, I would say, a four and a half hour drive straight from Dodge to Stanley. But you've got a whole bus of guys that got to get dropped off at other prisons on the way. So you're on this bus, you know, hands and feet shackled.
uh you know there's there's a there's a toilet in the back that you gotta i mean just how are you really gonna use the toilet uh when you're like that right so so it smelled like piss you know the floor is wet um just nasty so you're on this bus i'm on this bus for about eight and a half hours just to go four hours away because we had to stop at uh let people off in like new Lisbon, Fox Lake.
uh you know there's there's a there's a toilet in the back that you gotta i mean just how are you really gonna use the toilet uh when you're like that right so so it smelled like piss you know the floor is wet um just nasty so you're on this bus i'm on this bus for about eight and a half hours just to go four hours away because we had to stop at uh let people off in like new Lisbon, Fox Lake.
They said, due to this allegation, due to other past incidents that I've had, because I was kind of, you know, not exactly the best student there. I was influencing other kids and stuff like that. And they kind of knew about that after talking to other people. So they basically said, we're not going to let you back in. So they expelled me from that school.
They said, due to this allegation, due to other past incidents that I've had, because I was kind of, you know, not exactly the best student there. I was influencing other kids and stuff like that. And they kind of knew about that after talking to other people. So they basically said, we're not going to let you back in. So they expelled me from that school.
I remember, um, what pond we dropped a couple of guys off at, uh, um, Oxford, um, which is a fed, a federal place. I don't know if you know about that. Uh, that, uh, actually, uh, Ryan Leone, uh, spent time at Oxford, um, here in Wisconsin. Who's that? Quick fact. You don't know who Ryan Leone is? No.
I remember, um, what pond we dropped a couple of guys off at, uh, um, Oxford, um, which is a fed, a federal place. I don't know if you know about that. Uh, that, uh, actually, uh, Ryan Leone, uh, spent time at Oxford, um, here in Wisconsin. Who's that? Quick fact. You don't know who Ryan Leone is? No.
He is, um, basically, you know, he was, he was a drug addict and, uh, he went to prison, uh, did time, whatever came out. And he was a really funny, uh, a guy that people could relate to and that would make you laugh. So he started a YouTube channel. So you can look that up. And he has all these stories on here from his using his prison and all that. It's pretty entertaining.
He is, um, basically, you know, he was, he was a drug addict and, uh, he went to prison, uh, did time, whatever came out. And he was a really funny, uh, a guy that people could relate to and that would make you laugh. So he started a YouTube channel. So you can look that up. And he has all these stories on here from his using his prison and all that. It's pretty entertaining.
You should definitely check it out. Okay.
You should definitely check it out. Okay.
yeah he ended up uh doing youtube however um he actually passed away uh last year i believe like a couple months ago actually yeah he was he was clean he was with uh he was with his girl you know everything was good he was he had his kid back he was living on his own and everything was good but he had a relapse and he ended up dying which is unfortunate, you know, but that's what happens.
yeah he ended up uh doing youtube however um he actually passed away uh last year i believe like a couple months ago actually yeah he was he was clean he was with uh he was with his girl you know everything was good he was he had his kid back he was living on his own and everything was good but he had a relapse and he ended up dying which is unfortunate, you know, but that's what happens.
Um, that's what comes with the territory. Um, so we drop all these guys off at these, at these prisons on the way. And I finally get to, uh, Stanley, which is a medium. Um, and this is where I spend most of my sentence. Um, so I get there probably at 11, 1130.
Um, that's what comes with the territory. Um, so we drop all these guys off at these, at these prisons on the way. And I finally get to, uh, Stanley, which is a medium. Um, and this is where I spend most of my sentence. Um, so I get there probably at 11, 1130.
Uh, I, I finally get through R and D and the intake and I get on the unit at like 1130 after, after everyone's locked in, you know, um, they tell me which cell to go to. And, uh, and that's where I, and that's where I, uh, did time for, um, about a year. I think it was about 10 months, 11 months. At Stanley. No, it was a little over a year. I'm sorry. It's a little over a year. I was at Stanley.
Uh, I, I finally get through R and D and the intake and I get on the unit at like 1130 after, after everyone's locked in, you know, um, they tell me which cell to go to. And, uh, and that's where I, and that's where I, uh, did time for, um, about a year. I think it was about 10 months, 11 months. At Stanley. No, it was a little over a year. I'm sorry. It's a little over a year. I was at Stanley.
And then that's when. So obviously I had a drug problem and that was documented and the judge allowed. I put in the paperwork that I could do the ERP program, which is basically earned release, which is kind of like the same thing as your, what is it called? RDAP? RDAP. Yeah, it's basically RDAP at this place called Chippewa. So I get transferred from Stanley to Chippewa, which is not far.
And then that's when. So obviously I had a drug problem and that was documented and the judge allowed. I put in the paperwork that I could do the ERP program, which is basically earned release, which is kind of like the same thing as your, what is it called? RDAP? RDAP. Yeah, it's basically RDAP at this place called Chippewa. So I get transferred from Stanley to Chippewa, which is not far.
It's only about... 15 minutes away. So they just take you in a van, you get there, and this Chippewa place is, compared to where I was, it was sweet. It did feel like a five-star hotel compared to where I just was. It was a secured minimum So there was fences, um, and everything, but, um, there was, there was open movement.
It's only about... 15 minutes away. So they just take you in a van, you get there, and this Chippewa place is, compared to where I was, it was sweet. It did feel like a five-star hotel compared to where I just was. It was a secured minimum So there was fences, um, and everything, but, um, there was, there was open movement.
Um, so you could come and go from the yard, um, anytime that, uh, basically from eight till, till lunch, after lunch, till dinner and after dinner for a couple hours, go out on the yard. Um, you could sneak to other units, um,
Um, so you could come and go from the yard, um, anytime that, uh, basically from eight till, till lunch, after lunch, till dinner and after dinner for a couple hours, go out on the yard. Um, you could sneak to other units, um,
uh, which leads me to the next school, uh, which is where I go. I start, uh, this is, let's see. Freshman. This is the start of my sophomore year. So the first probably the first semester or so. So I get there. It's a public school. This other one was a private school. So that's basically why they were so strict on this whole on the whole thing and expelling me.
uh, which leads me to the next school, uh, which is where I go. I start, uh, this is, let's see. Freshman. This is the start of my sophomore year. So the first probably the first semester or so. So I get there. It's a public school. This other one was a private school. So that's basically why they were so strict on this whole on the whole thing and expelling me.
uh you know do your thing if you're if you're making moves yeah exactly um so at that chippewa place i was i was given a bed date which is basically a start date for your program your programming got to that you got to finish to get out uh you do this program for six months and you get a year knocked off your sentence nice yeah so i mean i and i needed i thought i needed that you know
uh you know do your thing if you're if you're making moves yeah exactly um so at that chippewa place i was i was given a bed date which is basically a start date for your program your programming got to that you got to finish to get out uh you do this program for six months and you get a year knocked off your sentence nice yeah so i mean i and i needed i thought i needed that you know
So I spent nine months waiting for my bed day to start this program. So during that nine months, I'm just doing time, figuring out the routine at the new institution because, you know, you got to get into a routine when you get locked up or you're just making time worse on yourself. So I get a routine going. I start making some, you know, some friends there.
So I spent nine months waiting for my bed day to start this program. So during that nine months, I'm just doing time, figuring out the routine at the new institution because, you know, you got to get into a routine when you get locked up or you're just making time worse on yourself. So I get a routine going. I start making some, you know, some friends there.
And I end up running into a guy that's actually from Milwaukee as well. A black guy. He had sickle cell anemia. And he also had a few, a few other medical issues that basically he was He was given oxycodone, 20 milligram pills, two of them, four times a day. So I get in, I get in with this guy. you know, I'm not, I haven't started my program yet, you know, so I figure, fuck it.
And I end up running into a guy that's actually from Milwaukee as well. A black guy. He had sickle cell anemia. And he also had a few, a few other medical issues that basically he was He was given oxycodone, 20 milligram pills, two of them, four times a day. So I get in, I get in with this guy. you know, I'm not, I haven't started my program yet, you know, so I figure, fuck it.
I'll, uh, I'll mess around. Um, so I start getting, you know, these oxys from him and I'm, and I'm doing my thing now in prison, they drug test you randomly. And especially at these, at these lower ones, especially these ones where there's, uh, the drug treatment place. And, uh, So I'm doing these oxys and stuff.
I'll, uh, I'll mess around. Um, so I start getting, you know, these oxys from him and I'm, and I'm doing my thing now in prison, they drug test you randomly. And especially at these, at these lower ones, especially these ones where there's, uh, the drug treatment place. And, uh, So I'm doing these oxys and stuff.
And eventually I get, in the middle of the night, they come in and say, hey, we need to take you for a drug test. They take me out of the cell. I say, okay, go to the bathroom. I try to stall a little bit. Because before I had left the cell, I woke up my buddy who was in the bunk behind me. Because these are 10-man cells, just four 10-man cells per unit.
And eventually I get, in the middle of the night, they come in and say, hey, we need to take you for a drug test. They take me out of the cell. I say, okay, go to the bathroom. I try to stall a little bit. Because before I had left the cell, I woke up my buddy who was in the bunk behind me. Because these are 10-man cells, just four 10-man cells per unit.
And then there's a few two-man cells for the workers. So I tell my friend, hey, I need you to help me out here. Because we have talked about this, in case I get a drug test, I need you to pee. So he had this little container that he... that he was saving in case this happened, and it did. Twice, actually. So I wait for him to... I basically tell the cops I can't pee, I need some water, whatever.
And then there's a few two-man cells for the workers. So I tell my friend, hey, I need you to help me out here. Because we have talked about this, in case I get a drug test, I need you to pee. So he had this little container that he... that he was saving in case this happened, and it did. Twice, actually. So I wait for him to... I basically tell the cops I can't pee, I need some water, whatever.
They say, okay, go sit in the servery, drink water in there, and then let us know when you got to go. They wouldn't let me back onto the unit, obviously, so they locked me in the servery.
They say, okay, go sit in the servery, drink water in there, and then let us know when you got to go. They wouldn't let me back onto the unit, obviously, so they locked me in the servery.
um however uh there's a window um to the unit from the servery so i see my buddy go to the bathroom he comes out he looks at me gives me you know gives me a nod i say to the cops um i'm ready go back in there um at the you know behind the urinal there's this little uh little cup i dump that in there i take a piss in the urinal i flush it i give it to him And I'm good.
um however uh there's a window um to the unit from the servery so i see my buddy go to the bathroom he comes out he looks at me gives me you know gives me a nod i say to the cops um i'm ready go back in there um at the you know behind the urinal there's this little uh little cup i dump that in there i take a piss in the urinal i flush it i give it to him And I'm good.
So there was a lot of things like that.
So there was a lot of things like that.
Oh, he, oh, they, they, they were watching me, but, um, right. The way that the bathroom was set up, like they couldn't be right next to me. They were kind of standing behind me. Um, so they couldn't really see, they couldn't see exactly what was going on, but you know, they obviously, um, they, they could catch people doing, you know, stuff.
Oh, he, oh, they, they, they were watching me, but, um, right. The way that the bathroom was set up, like they couldn't be right next to me. They were kind of standing behind me. Um, so they couldn't really see, they couldn't see exactly what was going on, but you know, they obviously, um, they, they could catch people doing, you know, stuff.
Um, if the, if the person isn't smart enough or, you know, doesn't have, doesn't have the right setup. Um, So I passed that drug test, which is the one that they give you right before you start your programming. It was about a month before my bed date. So I passed that. I get into the programming.
Um, if the, if the person isn't smart enough or, you know, doesn't have, doesn't have the right setup. Um, So I passed that drug test, which is the one that they give you right before you start your programming. It was about a month before my bed date. So I passed that. I get into the programming.
And this is kind of where I start to realize that I need to stop doing this stuff or I'm going to get caught in here and I'm going to have to do the rest of my time in a medium. Because this place is sweet. I wanted to stay there and I wanted to finish out my time there.
And this is kind of where I start to realize that I need to stop doing this stuff or I'm going to get caught in here and I'm going to have to do the rest of my time in a medium. Because this place is sweet. I wanted to stay there and I wanted to finish out my time there.
So now I'm at this public school and this is, you know, this is not a good place. place to go when I'm, you know, clearly using drugs and stuff because there's tons of tons of people there way more than at the other school that are using drugs, selling drugs, doing all kinds of stuff, skipping school. So that's when I start dabbling with a little bit more than just weed.
So now I'm at this public school and this is, you know, this is not a good place. place to go when I'm, you know, clearly using drugs and stuff because there's tons of tons of people there way more than at the other school that are using drugs, selling drugs, doing all kinds of stuff, skipping school. So that's when I start dabbling with a little bit more than just weed.
I wanted to be there. Yeah, exactly. It was nice. I wanted to be there, but at the same time, there were things there that were not good. Obviously, you've got people going through the program, and they're snitching on people to get rewards and points. You could use these points to... You know, to get a late night, to be able to play Frisbee golf out on the yard because they had Frisbee golf.
I wanted to be there. Yeah, exactly. It was nice. I wanted to be there, but at the same time, there were things there that were not good. Obviously, you've got people going through the program, and they're snitching on people to get rewards and points. You could use these points to... You know, to get a late night, to be able to play Frisbee golf out on the yard because they had Frisbee golf.
They had like the goals. Right. But they wouldn't set them out in the yard for just anyone. They only set them out for for people that made these points. So it was like, you know, there's something special. So people wanted to do it, you know, tell on someone, get some points and you can play Frisbee golf one day, you know, which is,
They had like the goals. Right. But they wouldn't set them out in the yard for just anyone. They only set them out for for people that made these points. So it was like, you know, there's something special. So people wanted to do it, you know, tell on someone, get some points and you can play Frisbee golf one day, you know, which is,
know well you know it's nice i like frisbee golf and i would do it on the outside all the time but that didn't mean that i was going to start telling out people in order to play frisbee golf in prison right it's amazing when you have everything taken away from you what what raises up to the um
know well you know it's nice i like frisbee golf and i would do it on the outside all the time but that didn't mean that i was going to start telling out people in order to play frisbee golf in prison right it's amazing when you have everything taken away from you what what raises up to the um
So, I mean, and that's the way that they, that they would weed out people that, that didn't want to, that they, that they didn't want to be in the program. Right. So, you know, people were getting told on for all kinds of stupid things. I mean, just, dumb stuff. We'll just leave it at that. So I'm in the program and
So, I mean, and that's the way that they, that they would weed out people that, that didn't want to, that they, that they didn't want to be in the program. Right. So, you know, people were getting told on for all kinds of stupid things. I mean, just, dumb stuff. We'll just leave it at that. So I'm in the program and
So I like I said, I start to realize I need to stop fucking around in there and I need to take this seriously. So for the most part, I clean up everything. However, the one thing that I really was doing in there was I was tutoring for GED. And eventually some of the people realized that. You know, I was good with computers, obviously.
So I like I said, I start to realize I need to stop fucking around in there and I need to take this seriously. So for the most part, I clean up everything. However, the one thing that I really was doing in there was I was tutoring for GED. And eventually some of the people realized that. You know, I was good with computers, obviously.
And that's another thing like we had discussed on the phone when I had got to prison. First off, they, you know, they ask you for your paperwork, your celly or people there. And I said, you know, they said, why are you here? I said, oh, well, drug stuff. And, you know, it was some computer stuff. And that's obviously the wrong thing to say in prison. Right. Because they think you're underage.
And that's another thing like we had discussed on the phone when I had got to prison. First off, they, you know, they ask you for your paperwork, your celly or people there. And I said, you know, they said, why are you here? I said, oh, well, drug stuff. And, you know, it was some computer stuff. And that's obviously the wrong thing to say in prison. Right. Because they think you're underage.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So kids stuff. And that wasn't the case. So I had to get my paperwork and show them that it was it was dark, you know, fraud, drugs, stuff like that, that end up getting me caught. So let's see, let's go back where we're before I got on that little rant rant.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So kids stuff. And that wasn't the case. So I had to get my paperwork and show them that it was it was dark, you know, fraud, drugs, stuff like that, that end up getting me caught. So let's see, let's go back where we're before I got on that little rant rant.
you were waiting for the bed space you you wanted to stay in the program and you realized that you needed to clean up your act or you were going to end up having to spend the rest of your time in a medium you didn't want to do that yeah so so i do that so i'm doing not i'm not doing the drugs anymore actually uh one of the reasons is because that dude ended up getting told on um and he uh get kicked out of the program he he only he was like in the last phase he had like three months to get out
you were waiting for the bed space you you wanted to stay in the program and you realized that you needed to clean up your act or you were going to end up having to spend the rest of your time in a medium you didn't want to do that yeah so so i do that so i'm doing not i'm not doing the drugs anymore actually uh one of the reasons is because that dude ended up getting told on um and he uh get kicked out of the program he he only he was like in the last phase he had like three months to get out
He got kicked out because he had his girl. He got on the phone. He talks to his girl. He tells his girl to call up here. And I don't know what he was complaining about, but it was something to do with the way he was being treated for his medical issues. And whatever he said was illegal to be talking about or to be requesting someone to do in prison.
He got kicked out because he had his girl. He got on the phone. He talks to his girl. He tells his girl to call up here. And I don't know what he was complaining about, but it was something to do with the way he was being treated for his medical issues. And whatever he said was illegal to be talking about or to be requesting someone to do in prison.
So he goes, so that's just that, you know, that probably helped me out a little bit because the access was no longer there for that. And there was other stuff floating around. There was tobacco. There was a little bit of dope and stuff that would get in there because, like I said, it was illegal.
So he goes, so that's just that, you know, that probably helped me out a little bit because the access was no longer there for that. And there was other stuff floating around. There was tobacco. There was a little bit of dope and stuff that would get in there because, like I said, it was illegal.
Up until then, it was just weed. And occasionally I would I would have some alcohol. So, um, I start dabbling at this new high school, um, introducing new friends. We, uh, you know, club drugs, MDMA, you know, LSD, all that type of thing. Um, and that really, that really lit a spark. And I basically became really interested in like
Up until then, it was just weed. And occasionally I would I would have some alcohol. So, um, I start dabbling at this new high school, um, introducing new friends. We, uh, you know, club drugs, MDMA, you know, LSD, all that type of thing. Um, and that really, that really lit a spark. And I basically became really interested in like
It was a minimum as it was secured, but there was only a fence and right on, uh, there was from the edge of the fence, there was actually just an open field, um, probably 50, 50 yards or so. And then it was trees. And there was actually guys that had, um, uh, you know, like potato launchers and stuff like that.
It was a minimum as it was secured, but there was only a fence and right on, uh, there was from the edge of the fence, there was actually just an open field, um, probably 50, 50 yards or so. And then it was trees. And there was actually guys that had, um, uh, you know, like potato launchers and stuff like that.
They would, they would have their people come put a cut open a tennis ball, stuff it with drugs, uh, stuff it with that, you know, whatever they wanted to get in. Um, and then they would fire that thing into the yard, the tennis ball, um, at night. And you would come out in the morning and, uh,
They would, they would have their people come put a cut open a tennis ball, stuff it with drugs, uh, stuff it with that, you know, whatever they wanted to get in. Um, and then they would fire that thing into the yard, the tennis ball, um, at night. And you would come out in the morning and, uh,
Most of the time the balls would be there sometimes because the CEOs would would rock the yard before opening. They check the yard before before they let you out. So so you would have lazy CEOs and they would just say, oh, it's just a tennis ball. You know, someone left it out here. And they would just leave it.
Most of the time the balls would be there sometimes because the CEOs would would rock the yard before opening. They check the yard before before they let you out. So so you would have lazy CEOs and they would just say, oh, it's just a tennis ball. You know, someone left it out here. And they would just leave it.
Sometimes they would pick it up and they would either throw it away or throw it back in the wreck supply area. So you would have to go dig through a bunch of tennis balls and try to find this ball that's been cut open. it was put back together in a way that you couldn't blatantly see. You would have to kind of feel it in your hand compared to the other balls. And they were doing things like that.
Sometimes they would pick it up and they would either throw it away or throw it back in the wreck supply area. So you would have to go dig through a bunch of tennis balls and try to find this ball that's been cut open. it was put back together in a way that you couldn't blatantly see. You would have to kind of feel it in your hand compared to the other balls. And they were doing things like that.
And I wasn't involved in anything like that because I wanted to get out. I mean, these were the people that were doing this were guys that, you know, they've been in and out of prison, and that's basically their life. So I'm in this program.
And I wasn't involved in anything like that because I wanted to get out. I mean, these were the people that were doing this were guys that, you know, they've been in and out of prison, and that's basically their life. So I'm in this program.
about let's say two two months into the program or so um i i have an issue with uh this guy um this guy bd okay it's a little little short uh black guy but he was built you know he was he was tough muscles you know um
about let's say two two months into the program or so um i i have an issue with uh this guy um this guy bd okay it's a little little short uh black guy but he was built you know he was he was tough muscles you know um
he had a problem with me because that morning for breakfast it was hard-boiled egg day and i had i had a deal with the servery worker to save me a spot in the second line basically once you go through grab your tray you can go back in line if there's extras you can get an extra so i was first in line for that second tray so i could get more than, more than two hard boiled eggs. Right.
he had a problem with me because that morning for breakfast it was hard-boiled egg day and i had i had a deal with the servery worker to save me a spot in the second line basically once you go through grab your tray you can go back in line if there's extras you can get an extra so i was first in line for that second tray so i could get more than, more than two hard boiled eggs. Right.
Um, and he had a problem with, with that, the fact that I, um, got a tray and he didn't because he felt, you know, entitled, um, or whatever, you know, it's stupid in there. Uh, the things that, you know, people's, you know, setting towels on seats, saving seats in the day room, you know, And that's that's generally respected by most people there because that's how it works.
Um, and he had a problem with, with that, the fact that I, um, got a tray and he didn't because he felt, you know, entitled, um, or whatever, you know, it's stupid in there. Uh, the things that, you know, people's, you know, setting towels on seats, saving seats in the day room, you know, And that's that's generally respected by most people there because that's how it works.
But for some reason, he just didn't like it. And he comes. I'm actually back at my bunk at the time. And he comes into the cell and he's like, hey, man, I don't know where the fuck you from, but, you know, where I'm from. man, motherfucker, motherfucker gets stabbed up, blah, blah, blah. You know, you ain't going to be doing that shit. That's not how we work around here.
But for some reason, he just didn't like it. And he comes. I'm actually back at my bunk at the time. And he comes into the cell and he's like, hey, man, I don't know where the fuck you from, but, you know, where I'm from. man, motherfucker, motherfucker gets stabbed up, blah, blah, blah. You know, you ain't going to be doing that shit. That's not how we work around here.
And I'm like, dude, you just got here, you know, two months ago. I've been doing this for the last year, you know, um, at this place. Um, so I'm like, all right, dude, you know, just piss off. You know, basically I say, I'm not, I'm not trying to get in this argument, you know, go get out of here. Um, So he was heated. And honestly, I was a little worked up too.
And I'm like, dude, you just got here, you know, two months ago. I've been doing this for the last year, you know, um, at this place. Um, so I'm like, all right, dude, you know, just piss off. You know, basically I say, I'm not, I'm not trying to get in this argument, you know, go get out of here. Um, So he was heated. And honestly, I was a little worked up too.
And later that day, like I said, everyone gets a routine in prison. Later that day, I do my program. I go out on the yard. I'm playing games out there. walk in the track, and I come back in. I go to take my shower, which I would take every afternoon between like 2 and 4. Before like the 4.30 count, I would take my shower. And what he did is, him and another guy plotted to basically fuck me up.
And later that day, like I said, everyone gets a routine in prison. Later that day, I do my program. I go out on the yard. I'm playing games out there. walk in the track, and I come back in. I go to take my shower, which I would take every afternoon between like 2 and 4. Before like the 4.30 count, I would take my shower. And what he did is, him and another guy plotted to basically fuck me up.
Basically, when I went to the shower that day. So he's sitting in the in the shower room with the mop bucket ringer, the handle to it. So it's basically, you know, a metal handle and then the big plastic thing that squeezes the mop. And he's got that in his hand and he's got the other guy sitting outside of the shower room, you know, waiting to signal that I'm the one coming in there.
Basically, when I went to the shower that day. So he's sitting in the in the shower room with the mop bucket ringer, the handle to it. So it's basically, you know, a metal handle and then the big plastic thing that squeezes the mop. And he's got that in his hand and he's got the other guy sitting outside of the shower room, you know, waiting to signal that I'm the one coming in there.
pharmacology you know how how the drugs work systematically what they affect all that stuff so um by the time i had graduated uh that public school, I had already become addicted to Roxycodone pills, basically. And also, my buddy worked at an old folks home, and he had access to Fent patches.
pharmacology you know how how the drugs work systematically what they affect all that stuff so um by the time i had graduated uh that public school, I had already become addicted to Roxycodone pills, basically. And also, my buddy worked at an old folks home, and he had access to Fent patches.
So I walk in the shower room completely.
So I walk in the shower room completely.
Yes, in the minimum, in the drug program. It's called ERP. It's basically just a cognitive behavioral thing. It's very little to do with drugs, mostly to do with criminal thinking and fixing all that. And he wasn't in the program yet.
Yes, in the minimum, in the drug program. It's called ERP. It's basically just a cognitive behavioral thing. It's very little to do with drugs, mostly to do with criminal thinking and fixing all that. And he wasn't in the program yet.
so i you know he doesn't sound like program material right and he's not he's actually he's actually back in prison right now um he got out and he was and he's back in already so that that'll tell you everything you need to know so i'm going to the shower that day i take about one step into the shower room and out of the corner of my eye i see something coming at me
so i you know he doesn't sound like program material right and he's not he's actually he's actually back in prison right now um he got out and he was and he's back in already so that that'll tell you everything you need to know so i'm going to the shower that day i take about one step into the shower room and out of the corner of my eye i see something coming at me
and it hits me right across the face knocks one knocks one of my teeth out cracks another tooth next to it i get uh my this eyebrow this eyebrow this thing is backwards on here my left eyebrow um it got cut open real bad i thought you were going to tell me i thought you weren't telling me that you didn't that you you
and it hits me right across the face knocks one knocks one of my teeth out cracks another tooth next to it i get uh my this eyebrow this eyebrow this thing is backwards on here my left eyebrow um it got cut open real bad i thought you were going to tell me i thought you weren't telling me that you didn't that you you
He hit me with this mop bugger ringer so hard. It cracked the tooth, uh, shattered another one right out of my mouth. Um, Then I get this cut on my eye and the cut was at the time. That was the worst because What how do I explain this this? Cut that I got that's you know It's this long, you know right on my eyebrow So later
He hit me with this mop bugger ringer so hard. It cracked the tooth, uh, shattered another one right out of my mouth. Um, Then I get this cut on my eye and the cut was at the time. That was the worst because What how do I explain this this? Cut that I got that's you know It's this long, you know right on my eyebrow So later
Basically, he does this to me, you know, tries to, you know, tries to scare me, talks a bunch of shit, says don't do this shit again or it's going to be worse next time. So I'm like, all right, whatever, dude, like, you know, this is kind of this is some pussy ass shit, you know. I'm not trying to deal with it basically.
Basically, he does this to me, you know, tries to, you know, tries to scare me, talks a bunch of shit, says don't do this shit again or it's going to be worse next time. So I'm like, all right, whatever, dude, like, you know, this is kind of this is some pussy ass shit, you know. I'm not trying to deal with it basically.
Um, but I do have to deal with it because now I'm, I got blood running down my face and I'm not going to go to the cops and say, this guy just hit me with a mop handle because then they're going to investigate not only him, but me and possibly anyone else that was involved or near the incident. And I didn't want anything to do with, with that. So basically I cover it up. I'm, uh,
Um, but I do have to deal with it because now I'm, I got blood running down my face and I'm not going to go to the cops and say, this guy just hit me with a mop handle because then they're going to investigate not only him, but me and possibly anyone else that was involved or near the incident. And I didn't want anything to do with, with that. So basically I cover it up. I'm, uh,
I'm just trying to hide basically what happened from the CEOs when they come through for count that afternoon.
I'm just trying to hide basically what happened from the CEOs when they come through for count that afternoon.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, definitely.
yeah they uh the shoe the hole whatever but they actually don't have a hole at uh at the chippewa place they actually send you back to stanley like i said it's only 10 minutes away so the hole is actually in stanley right at the medium so you know they they'll pack you up you know well you know basically um uh let's see
yeah they uh the shoe the hole whatever but they actually don't have a hole at uh at the chippewa place they actually send you back to stanley like i said it's only 10 minutes away so the hole is actually in stanley right at the medium so you know they they'll pack you up you know well you know basically um uh let's see
I've got to hide. Cause yeah, cause we've got count at four 30 and they come through. Right. I'm bleeding from the face. So I'm basically trying to hide this, um, through count, um, until after, until I can get out, um, get out on the yard after dinner, basically. Um, so I get out on the yard after dinner and I, uh,
I've got to hide. Cause yeah, cause we've got count at four 30 and they come through. Right. I'm bleeding from the face. So I'm basically trying to hide this, um, through count, um, until after, until I can get out, um, get out on the yard after dinner, basically. Um, so I get out on the yard after dinner and I, uh,
I basically, uh, make sure that there's people around that see, and I basically do a face plant. Um, when I'm, when I'm, you know, running, uh, working out, out on the track and I basically this face plant, I come up on my head and whatever, uh, the CEOs, uh, see it. They got like a, they got like a small watch tower on one side and then they've got one on the other side.
I basically, uh, make sure that there's people around that see, and I basically do a face plant. Um, when I'm, when I'm, you know, running, uh, working out, out on the track and I basically this face plant, I come up on my head and whatever, uh, the CEOs, uh, see it. They got like a, they got like a small watch tower on one side and then they've got one on the other side.
Um, and they've got the CEOs that, um, Patting people down, coming in and out, and stuff like that by the door. And they see this happen, and I get up, and I'm like, oh, no. And the worst part was I actually, from the fake fall, I actually ended up breaking two of my fingers. So not only that, but now I got two broken fingers. So I go to the CEO. I'm like, oh, I need help.
Um, and they've got the CEOs that, um, Patting people down, coming in and out, and stuff like that by the door. And they see this happen, and I get up, and I'm like, oh, no. And the worst part was I actually, from the fake fall, I actually ended up breaking two of my fingers. So not only that, but now I got two broken fingers. So I go to the CEO. I'm like, oh, I need help.
I think I fucked up my, you know, I cracked my head open, and my finger hurts. Like, it was like sideways. It was probably like, you know.
I think I fucked up my, you know, I cracked my head open, and my finger hurts. Like, it was like sideways. It was probably like, you know.
sticking off to the side okay and and you know and i did that to myself so i you know it is what it is um so i go to the ceo i say hey i need uh i need to go to medical uh go to medical they say ah this is this cut is bad you know it's gonna need stitches and they say how did this happen i said well i i fell out on the yard and i took a face plant while i was coming up the hill
sticking off to the side okay and and you know and i did that to myself so i you know it is what it is um so i go to the ceo i say hey i need uh i need to go to medical uh go to medical they say ah this is this cut is bad you know it's gonna need stitches and they say how did this happen i said well i i fell out on the yard and i took a face plant while i was coming up the hill
right into the, uh, to the asphalt walking path. Um, so they say you need stitches. They don't do it there. So I got to go to the hospital, get these stitches, get my, uh, get my finger set, um, get the splint on that. And, uh,
right into the, uh, to the asphalt walking path. Um, so they say you need stitches. They don't do it there. So I got to go to the hospital, get these stitches, get my, uh, get my finger set, um, get the splint on that. And, uh,
get taken care of there which um was was actually quite pleasant uh because i was um from there they actually because it's a minimum and stuff they actually don't they don't even cuff you right they take you they just take you in the van to the hospital you walk in like any other person um And I was there for probably like six hours. I got some soda. You know, I got some nice food.
get taken care of there which um was was actually quite pleasant uh because i was um from there they actually because it's a minimum and stuff they actually don't they don't even cuff you right they take you they just take you in the van to the hospital you walk in like any other person um And I was there for probably like six hours. I got some soda. You know, I got some nice food.
So we were doing the Fent patches and we were sniffing Oxy 30s and stuff like that by the time I graduated high school. So I graduated in 2011 and in 2012, I guess, um, is kind of when things went from, went from just playing around to real life. Uh, a few of my friends OD'd a few, uh, uh, on, on God, um, well,
So we were doing the Fent patches and we were sniffing Oxy 30s and stuff like that by the time I graduated high school. So I graduated in 2011 and in 2012, I guess, um, is kind of when things went from, went from just playing around to real life. Uh, a few of my friends OD'd a few, uh, uh, on, on God, um, well,
I got to watch TV that I could control. You know, nobody else around. It was mostly quiet. It was quiet compared to where I was. So, you know, that was a little reprieve for a few hours. So I got stitched up, got my finger taken care of, and then back to Chippewa I go. So I get back, and this dude that did this, he's worried. At this time, he thinks I told on him.
I got to watch TV that I could control. You know, nobody else around. It was mostly quiet. It was quiet compared to where I was. So, you know, that was a little reprieve for a few hours. So I got stitched up, got my finger taken care of, and then back to Chippewa I go. So I get back, and this dude that did this, he's worried. At this time, he thinks I told on him.
He thinks something's going to happen to him and stuff. So he comes to me and he says, hey, what the fuck's going on? You know, like, did you tell or what? And I said, no, dude, I made up a story about falling out on the yard. So after that, he has enough respect for me for not telling him that he hasn't fucked with me for the rest of the time that I'm there. Wow.
He thinks something's going to happen to him and stuff. So he comes to me and he says, hey, what the fuck's going on? You know, like, did you tell or what? And I said, no, dude, I made up a story about falling out on the yard. So after that, he has enough respect for me for not telling him that he hasn't fucked with me for the rest of the time that I'm there. Wow.
Which is kind of dumb that you got to do something like that in order to get an ounce of respect in there. So basically, I get back to Chippewa. I've got a broken finger, stitches and stuff. I'm still in the program at this time. Probably...
Which is kind of dumb that you got to do something like that in order to get an ounce of respect in there. So basically, I get back to Chippewa. I've got a broken finger, stitches and stuff. I'm still in the program at this time. Probably...
three months uh left um maybe three and a half months left or so um i i get there i get back i get back into my routine um i'm doing the uh ged tutoring and like i said they found out um well i'm gonna go back a little bit they found out about the computer stuff obviously pretty early um but then uh
three months uh left um maybe three and a half months left or so um i i get there i get back i get back into my routine um i'm doing the uh ged tutoring and like i said they found out um well i'm gonna go back a little bit they found out about the computer stuff obviously pretty early um but then uh
We get to go down to the library at this minimum where they actually have a few computers that obviously aren't connected to the internet or anything like that. They just have basic things like Microsoft Word so you can make a resume or you can watch TED Talks. That's all on there. But it's all old. It's all real old. So I started teaching like basically a computer class like twice a week.
We get to go down to the library at this minimum where they actually have a few computers that obviously aren't connected to the internet or anything like that. They just have basic things like Microsoft Word so you can make a resume or you can watch TED Talks. That's all on there. But it's all old. It's all real old. So I started teaching like basically a computer class like twice a week.
We would go down there and I'll teach them how to do basic things on the computer. Real basic stuff. But after a little while, the CEOs started they weren't monitoring us anymore. They just let the librarian. And that's when I started teaching them about the dark web because everybody knew and they were they wanted to get involved, basically. And I'm like, listen, guys, I'm here because of this.
We would go down there and I'll teach them how to do basic things on the computer. Real basic stuff. But after a little while, the CEOs started they weren't monitoring us anymore. They just let the librarian. And that's when I started teaching them about the dark web because everybody knew and they were they wanted to get involved, basically. And I'm like, listen, guys, I'm here because of this.
Why? Why do you want to get involved in this? Because I'm, you know, this is I'm in the same place you are. You're just going to come back if you get into this, you know. But. Hey. doing it because uh you know they were paying me you know coffee soups whatever to teach them all this stuff about the dark web and and so they could get out and get back to action um So I'm doing that.
Why? Why do you want to get involved in this? Because I'm, you know, this is I'm in the same place you are. You're just going to come back if you get into this, you know. But. Hey. doing it because uh you know they were paying me you know coffee soups whatever to teach them all this stuff about the dark web and and so they could get out and get back to action um So I'm doing that.
I'm through the program. Like I said, I cleaned up my act mostly besides that. And I graduate the program in mid 2020. So I was in prison in this medium for when COVID started. So I got to experience that, which was fun. And then I get done with the program. They say, okay, your release date was moved down. I'm like, cool. So I go back to my cell. A couple days go by.
I'm through the program. Like I said, I cleaned up my act mostly besides that. And I graduate the program in mid 2020. So I was in prison in this medium for when COVID started. So I got to experience that, which was fun. And then I get done with the program. They say, okay, your release date was moved down. I'm like, cool. So I go back to my cell. A couple days go by.
I end up getting called in by the counselor. He says, we got an email from Madison, which is the state. that runs basically all the prison stuff, central office.
I end up getting called in by the counselor. He says, we got an email from Madison, which is the state. that runs basically all the prison stuff, central office.
that inmates that have completed the program that are waiting on a release date um they'll get paroled early um as long as they um there was there was factors to it they that you know they didn't just let anyone out they completed the program um you had to have a solid place to stay they weren't accepting halfway house because of covid um all this stuff so i got lucky
that inmates that have completed the program that are waiting on a release date um they'll get paroled early um as long as they um there was there was factors to it they that you know they didn't just let anyone out they completed the program um you had to have a solid place to stay they weren't accepting halfway house because of covid um all this stuff so i got lucky
I ended up getting out and I tell, you know, I tell them I'm going to stay with my parents. I've got a ride. I've got everything I need. And they say, all right, we'll email them back and tell them. So another couple of days go by. They call me up and say, hey, you're going to be getting out in a couple of weeks. Nice. Instead of doing another, what, probably year, year and a half or so.
I ended up getting out and I tell, you know, I tell them I'm going to stay with my parents. I've got a ride. I've got everything I need. And they say, all right, we'll email them back and tell them. So another couple of days go by. They call me up and say, hey, you're going to be getting out in a couple of weeks. Nice. Instead of doing another, what, probably year, year and a half or so.
So I get out. And And basically, you know, I was doing well when I got out. That was mid late 2020. And and now I'm just trying to I'm just working on rebuilding my life and, you know, trying to trying to do do it right.
So I get out. And And basically, you know, I was doing well when I got out. That was mid late 2020. And and now I'm just trying to I'm just working on rebuilding my life and, you know, trying to trying to do do it right.
one of them od on on heroin one of them od on on um xanax and oxycodone i believe um and then yeah those are those are the first two that was in 2012 if those two first happened so um 2012 i start college um I'm going to a local, going to like kind of a local school. basically for a medical degree of some type.
one of them od on on heroin one of them od on on um xanax and oxycodone i believe um and then yeah those are those are the first two that was in 2012 if those two first happened so um 2012 i start college um I'm going to a local, going to like kind of a local school. basically for a medical degree of some type.
So I'm doing programming, a little bit of coding for basically World of Warcraft hacks for a game. Yeah.
So I'm doing programming, a little bit of coding for basically World of Warcraft hacks for a game. Yeah.
Yeah. So people I've got like 60, 60, 70 clients, customers right now, every month that pay for access to this script, basically that, you know, allows them to do things in the game when they're not there or to do things that they can't do because they suck at the game. Basically, it's a hack. It helps them out. It's a whole other story with the coding and stuff.
Yeah. So people I've got like 60, 60, 70 clients, customers right now, every month that pay for access to this script, basically that, you know, allows them to do things in the game when they're not there or to do things that they can't do because they suck at the game. Basically, it's a hack. It helps them out. It's a whole other story with the coding and stuff.
So, yeah, I'm just doing this programming stuff. I want to get some type of job outside of this because this is something that I enjoy doing, but I want to do it on the side. I don't want to do it, you know, for every day. Right. It gets lonely, you know, basically. Right. So, yeah, that's where I am right now.
So, yeah, I'm just doing this programming stuff. I want to get some type of job outside of this because this is something that I enjoy doing, but I want to do it on the side. I don't want to do it, you know, for every day. Right. It gets lonely, you know, basically. Right. So, yeah, that's where I am right now.
Just, you know, I'm with my parents until I'm off probation because that's something that I'm still dealing with.
Just, you know, I'm with my parents until I'm off probation because that's something that I'm still dealing with.
Yeah, kind of like a white hat, you know, basically that helps out people testing their vulnerabilities and such. And I have emailed some people because I really was into, back in the day, I was into hacking websites, defacing them, putting up my own website.
Yeah, kind of like a white hat, you know, basically that helps out people testing their vulnerabilities and such. And I have emailed some people because I really was into, back in the day, I was into hacking websites, defacing them, putting up my own website.
home screen basically they would go to their website and they would be greeted with you've been hacked by you know such and such if you want if you want everything back um you send uh bitcoin or monero you know and we'll release or release your stuff um so you know that was another thing and there was all kinds of little stuff like that i was doing um online um
home screen basically they would go to their website and they would be greeted with you've been hacked by you know such and such if you want if you want everything back um you send uh bitcoin or monero you know and we'll release or release your stuff um so you know that was another thing and there was all kinds of little stuff like that i was doing um online um
So yeah, I mean, I would like to do something like that. It definitely would be nice to get out of the house more because I'm, you know, I'm on probation and I'm doing this from home. So I'm, I'm here a lot of the day.
So yeah, I mean, I would like to do something like that. It definitely would be nice to get out of the house more because I'm, you know, I'm on probation and I'm doing this from home. So I'm, I'm here a lot of the day.
Yeah. So I'm, uh, there's a few things that I'm doing. I'm taking, um, not related to that, but I'm taking the Amazon course for like AWS, um, and a few other, uh, and a few other online courses for just developing my skill set. Because at this time in my life, I haven't really had a real job since shortly after high school.
Yeah. So I'm, uh, there's a few things that I'm doing. I'm taking, um, not related to that, but I'm taking the Amazon course for like AWS, um, and a few other, uh, and a few other online courses for just developing my skill set. Because at this time in my life, I haven't really had a real job since shortly after high school.
So I don't have, you know, a resume to give to a company to say, hey, you know, I'm a solid person. I know what I'm doing and stuff. If they look, they just see, you know, some old stuff and then they do the background check. And that's when you get dismissed, basically, like, I'm sorry, we're not interested right now. Right.
So I don't have, you know, a resume to give to a company to say, hey, you know, I'm a solid person. I know what I'm doing and stuff. If they look, they just see, you know, some old stuff and then they do the background check. And that's when you get dismissed, basically, like, I'm sorry, we're not interested right now. Right.
So I'm dealing, uh, that's, that's basically, um, the main thing holding me back right now is that, uh, is, is, is the background checks and, um, being on probation and such, um, not being able to move around and do what I need to do.
So I'm dealing, uh, that's, that's basically, um, the main thing holding me back right now is that, uh, is, is, is the background checks and, um, being on probation and such, um, not being able to move around and do what I need to do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I mean, yeah, there, there's a lot like, is, I mean, is there anything else, uh, part of the story? I mean, I know I talked to you before, um, a couple, you know, last week, um, or whenever that was. And if there's any other questions you have from, from that or anything you're interested in learning about.
Um, I mean, yeah, there, there's a lot like, is, I mean, is there anything else, uh, part of the story? I mean, I know I talked to you before, um, a couple, you know, last week, um, or whenever that was. And if there's any other questions you have from, from that or anything you're interested in learning about.
Yeah. So my Instagram is dream.tech, tech, T-E-K. And then I have a YouTube channel, but I haven't really done any posting on it since before I got arrested. You got to post on it. That's what, yeah, that's what I actually just made a little update video the other day saying, hey, you know, I'm going to come back, you know. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm going to do though.
Yeah. So my Instagram is dream.tech, tech, T-E-K. And then I have a YouTube channel, but I haven't really done any posting on it since before I got arrested. You got to post on it. That's what, yeah, that's what I actually just made a little update video the other day saying, hey, you know, I'm going to come back, you know. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm going to do though.
That's the problem that I'm having because before I was doing car stuff on, you know, I was building cars, showing the cars that I have, racing, you know, basically all focused upon aftermarket, you know, modifying cars and such. But I do want to branch out into something else if I could.
That's the problem that I'm having because before I was doing car stuff on, you know, I was building cars, showing the cars that I have, racing, you know, basically all focused upon aftermarket, you know, modifying cars and such. But I do want to branch out into something else if I could.
Yeah, because there's definitely a lot of things in there. I mean, like the first time we had gotten in a high speed chase, I was with a buddy of mine and I actually wasn't even driving. He was the one driving and I wasn't ready for it at the time, but I think that is kind of, you know, like your first hit of a drug, like crack or whatever. You're hooked, right?
Yeah, because there's definitely a lot of things in there. I mean, like the first time we had gotten in a high speed chase, I was with a buddy of mine and I actually wasn't even driving. He was the one driving and I wasn't ready for it at the time, but I think that is kind of, you know, like your first hit of a drug, like crack or whatever. You're hooked, right?
But that kind of hooked me into the adrenaline thing, and that's when it started. So I was 17 or 18, I think, maybe at the time. Um, and that's what started me with the, uh, um, getting into police pursuits and stuff like that. And, and, and, uh, street racing, going to the races, uh, you know, I was, I would race for cash. Um, And I did that.
But that kind of hooked me into the adrenaline thing, and that's when it started. So I was 17 or 18, I think, maybe at the time. Um, and that's what started me with the, uh, um, getting into police pursuits and stuff like that. And, and, and, uh, street racing, going to the races, uh, you know, I was, I would race for cash. Um, And I did that.
Since I became interested in the drug culture and all that stuff, it just made sense to me to maybe go into the medical field. So I had that interest in pharmacology and medicine and mental health and how drugs can affect that and how they can help that and such. Um, so, you know, I was, I was still doing drugs while I was going to college and stuff. And that, that really wasn't good.
Since I became interested in the drug culture and all that stuff, it just made sense to me to maybe go into the medical field. So I had that interest in pharmacology and medicine and mental health and how drugs can affect that and how they can help that and such. Um, so, you know, I was, I was still doing drugs while I was going to college and stuff. And that, that really wasn't good.
I tried to do that to get money sometimes when I was withdrawing or whatever. I would go out on a Friday night to try to find people to race. Let's go for $100, $200, whatever. And I didn't even have the money, but I would, but I would pick on cars that I know I could beat, you know, cause I was, cause I had my, um, I would go out in my STI wagon.
I tried to do that to get money sometimes when I was withdrawing or whatever. I would go out on a Friday night to try to find people to race. Let's go for $100, $200, whatever. And I didn't even have the money, but I would, but I would pick on cars that I know I could beat, you know, cause I was, cause I had my, um, I would go out in my STI wagon.
Basically it's like 600 horsepower all wheel drive. Um, so I was doing that. Um, and, uh, So there was one time I got in a high speed chase where I was on the freeway. It was late. It was probably two in the morning. I was in one of my civics back then.
Basically it's like 600 horsepower all wheel drive. Um, so I was doing that. Um, and, uh, So there was one time I got in a high speed chase where I was on the freeway. It was late. It was probably two in the morning. I was in one of my civics back then.
And I'm running from this cop and I get off on this exit and I'm going so fast that I end up hitting the, it was a roundabout at the end of the off ramp. And I go straight through the roundabout, right over the grass, right over the median. And then I get right back on the freeway.
And I'm running from this cop and I get off on this exit and I'm going so fast that I end up hitting the, it was a roundabout at the end of the off ramp. And I go straight through the roundabout, right over the grass, right over the median. And then I get right back on the freeway.
Um, so, and I actually lost the guy, um, by doing that because he thought I got off and went somewhere else, but I actually just got back on the freeway and he just couldn't see around the corner where the, where the, where the on-ramp was.
Um, so, and I actually lost the guy, um, by doing that because he thought I got off and went somewhere else, but I actually just got back on the freeway and he just couldn't see around the corner where the, where the, where the on-ramp was.
Um, so there was, there was all, there's all kinds of little, little stuff like that. Just crazy things that could have ended and horribly. Um, and. yeah, there's, there's a lot of things that I could, that I could talk about.
Um, so there was, there was all, there's all kinds of little, little stuff like that. Just crazy things that could have ended and horribly. Um, and. yeah, there's, there's a lot of things that I could, that I could talk about.
So that's what I'm, I want to, uh, start doing things like that, but I don't, I don't really want to focus completely on, on, uh, you know, illegal things and in prison and stuff like that.
So that's what I'm, I want to, uh, start doing things like that, but I don't, I don't really want to focus completely on, on, uh, you know, illegal things and in prison and stuff like that.
Yeah, definitely. And that's, and that's what I, that's what I started doing. Uh, that's what I did. Um, I just made an update the other day, like, Hey, I'm coming back. So I'm going to, I'm definitely going to start with the YouTube thing again, because I did have some of that before I got locked up. Um, you know, I had, uh, I had probably, uh, 1200 subscribers or something like that.
Yeah, definitely. And that's, and that's what I, that's what I started doing. Uh, that's what I did. Um, I just made an update the other day, like, Hey, I'm coming back. So I'm going to, I'm definitely going to start with the YouTube thing again, because I did have some of that before I got locked up. Um, you know, I had, uh, I had probably, uh, 1200 subscribers or something like that.
Um, before I got locked up. Um, and, um,
Um, before I got locked up. Um, and, um,
It was, but I wasn't making anything. Right. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it was a couple cents, basically, for a video, you know, if I was lucky. Uh, which, I mean, I knew if I kept going with that, that it would get better. Um, but you know, I was also living this, this dual life where I was on YouTube doing this car stuff.
It was, but I wasn't making anything. Right. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it was a couple cents, basically, for a video, you know, if I was lucky. Uh, which, I mean, I knew if I kept going with that, that it would get better. Um, but you know, I was also living this, this dual life where I was on YouTube doing this car stuff.
But when I was off the camera, I'm doing all this drug stuff, um, and illegal stuff. So those two really don't mix, um, trying to, trying to put yourself in, in the public, you know, spotlight on, on, on the internet and then doing this stuff, uh, It's just not, it won't mix. Right.
But when I was off the camera, I'm doing all this drug stuff, um, and illegal stuff. So those two really don't mix, um, trying to, trying to put yourself in, in the public, you know, spotlight on, on, on the internet and then doing this stuff, uh, It's just not, it won't mix. Right.
Yeah. Yeah. If you want to just put that, uh, you know, in the video or in the description or whatever, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. If you want to just put that, uh, you know, in the video or in the description or whatever, you know?
Cause I would probably be at, you know, two classes a day if, if I even went that day. Um, so I'm, I'm not, I'm not doing the greatest in college, but I'm making it. So during spring break, 2013, I was downtown. I was on the east side. I was on a side street. I'm walking, and I get hit by a car. It throws me. I break my neck. Three of my vertebrae. Were you walking on the street?
Cause I would probably be at, you know, two classes a day if, if I even went that day. Um, so I'm, I'm not, I'm not doing the greatest in college, but I'm making it. So during spring break, 2013, I was downtown. I was on the east side. I was on a side street. I'm walking, and I get hit by a car. It throws me. I break my neck. Three of my vertebrae. Were you walking on the street?
That's fine. Yeah.
That's fine. Yeah.
Well, I was crossing on a side street.
Well, I was crossing on a side street.
No, she just ran the stop sign while I was walking across the sidewalk. Or I was walking on the sidewalk to the other side of the street. Okay. So she hits me with her Jeep. I get thrown, break my neck.
No, she just ran the stop sign while I was walking across the sidewalk. Or I was walking on the sidewalk to the other side of the street. Okay. So she hits me with her Jeep. I get thrown, break my neck.
a couple other you know things but the neck was the most serious one uh c4 through c6 is all fused together now so range of motion is lacking you know pain stuff like that um so i get into surgery uh well anyway they let me go back so i They hit me. I'm knocked out basically. I don't remember anything except for the impact. And they get me and they sit me up.
a couple other you know things but the neck was the most serious one uh c4 through c6 is all fused together now so range of motion is lacking you know pain stuff like that um so i get into surgery uh well anyway they let me go back so i They hit me. I'm knocked out basically. I don't remember anything except for the impact. And they get me and they sit me up.
Okay, so I was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and I was born in 92, so I'm 30 years old right now. I lived in Milwaukee with both of my parents until the mid-2000s. which then we moved out to a suburb kind of about 10, 15 minutes outside of Milwaukee. And then that's where I lived. That's where that's where I'm currently at right now. Well, so my dad, he was a truck driver.
Okay, so I was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and I was born in 92, so I'm 30 years old right now. I lived in Milwaukee with both of my parents until the mid-2000s. which then we moved out to a suburb kind of about 10, 15 minutes outside of Milwaukee. And then that's where I lived. That's where that's where I'm currently at right now. Well, so my dad, he was a truck driver.
They try to sit me up on the sidewalk, but I couldn't sit up straight. I kept just falling over because I had no sense. I had no equilibrium basically. I start the surgery about a day after that accident. They had me in the hospital because They were concerned about the drugs in my system because they did a blood test and they found H and some benzos and stuff like that in my system.
They try to sit me up on the sidewalk, but I couldn't sit up straight. I kept just falling over because I had no sense. I had no equilibrium basically. I start the surgery about a day after that accident. They had me in the hospital because They were concerned about the drugs in my system because they did a blood test and they found H and some benzos and stuff like that in my system.
So they waited a day. I start the surgery. Everything goes, you know, as well as it could according to the doctor, which, you know, I'm not so sure about, but... It is what it is. You know, I can't really fix it. Um, so anyway, I spent probably two, two weeks in the hospital or so, um, after that, uh, recovering, uh, gaining, you know, movement, getting strength and such.
So they waited a day. I start the surgery. Everything goes, you know, as well as it could according to the doctor, which, you know, I'm not so sure about, but... It is what it is. You know, I can't really fix it. Um, so anyway, I spent probably two, two weeks in the hospital or so, um, after that, uh, recovering, uh, gaining, you know, movement, getting strength and such.
And during that time, I'm, um, IV Dilaudid and Oxy syrup, like a lot. So because I was addicted to opiates already, they had to up the dose, obviously. So they were giving me a lot. And I was discharged. I was given, you know, a huge script for Roxycodone 10s. I was given two, I think it was 240 or 260 milligrams a day. just of the oxys.
And during that time, I'm, um, IV Dilaudid and Oxy syrup, like a lot. So because I was addicted to opiates already, they had to up the dose, obviously. So they were giving me a lot. And I was discharged. I was given, you know, a huge script for Roxycodone 10s. I was given two, I think it was 240 or 260 milligrams a day. just of the oxys.
And this is when my opiate use kind of just was kicked into overdrive. I started doing physical therapy, but I was also still doing heroin. After I came home from the hospital, I had a neck brace on, and I was obviously not in a good situation. I shouldn't have been going out driving down to the hood and copping down there while I got a neck brace on.
And this is when my opiate use kind of just was kicked into overdrive. I started doing physical therapy, but I was also still doing heroin. After I came home from the hospital, I had a neck brace on, and I was obviously not in a good situation. I shouldn't have been going out driving down to the hood and copping down there while I got a neck brace on.
They said you cannot drive because you can't move, you can't see behind you, stuff like that. So obviously that's that's just reckless. Right. And I'm putting myself in danger, possibly others. But at that time, I'm not worried about that. You know, who cares about that? I need to get I need to get this. I need to get this stuff.
They said you cannot drive because you can't move, you can't see behind you, stuff like that. So obviously that's that's just reckless. Right. And I'm putting myself in danger, possibly others. But at that time, I'm not worried about that. You know, who cares about that? I need to get I need to get this. I need to get this stuff.
So I end up getting to about $50 to $100 a day of an H habit on top of those prescribed oxys from the next thing. However, about a month after the accident, so two weeks after I got out of the hospital, the doctor wanted to get me off the oxys. So she starts a taper, which really wasn't much of a taper. Yeah. So it wasn't much of a taper.
So I end up getting to about $50 to $100 a day of an H habit on top of those prescribed oxys from the next thing. However, about a month after the accident, so two weeks after I got out of the hospital, the doctor wanted to get me off the oxys. So she starts a taper, which really wasn't much of a taper. Yeah. So it wasn't much of a taper.
She cut about 30 milligrams, I believe it was, every three days. So I was completely off the oxy within, you know, a week. or so, you know, give or take. And that's, that's obviously not enough when you're dependent to be taken down that fast. It needs to be slower.
She cut about 30 milligrams, I believe it was, every three days. So I was completely off the oxy within, you know, a week. or so, you know, give or take. And that's, that's obviously not enough when you're dependent to be taken down that fast. It needs to be slower.
Um, so basically they start talking to me about, um, I go in for my checkups, uh, for my neck from a surgeon and such, um, you know, while this taper is going on, uh, they start talking to me about, uh, ibuprofen uh for pain which i mean come on that's that's not gonna work um and then they start saying um possibly they want me to switch to suboxone or methadone to handle my
Um, so basically they start talking to me about, um, I go in for my checkups, uh, for my neck from a surgeon and such, um, you know, while this taper is going on, uh, they start talking to me about, uh, ibuprofen uh for pain which i mean come on that's that's not gonna work um and then they start saying um possibly they want me to switch to suboxone or methadone to handle my
my pain and my addiction to opiates. So of course I replaced that oxy that she took me down on with more heroin. So now I'm doing $100 to $200 a day of heroin mixed in with Xanax, Valium, basically anything else I could find at that point that would help with the pain and
my pain and my addiction to opiates. So of course I replaced that oxy that she took me down on with more heroin. So now I'm doing $100 to $200 a day of heroin mixed in with Xanax, Valium, basically anything else I could find at that point that would help with the pain and
know just take me out of the situation that i was living in basically eventually in late 2013 october i go to rehab for the first time and after rehab well they get me on suboxone in rehab i get i get i do the 30 days inpatient Um, which was kind of miserable because I, you know, that was actually my 21st birthday, um, was in October.
know just take me out of the situation that i was living in basically eventually in late 2013 october i go to rehab for the first time and after rehab well they get me on suboxone in rehab i get i get i do the 30 days inpatient Um, which was kind of miserable because I, you know, that was actually my 21st birthday, um, was in October.
If I see a cop, just drive by him, get off the freeway, flip around, and then go drive by him at like 120. When you get away, you, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. Like, you know, you couldn't sleep. It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your, through your system. That's when I started teaching them about the dark web.
So I was basically in rehab for that, which kind of sucked, but, um, you know, it's, it's much better than, than jail. You know, there was girls in there, there was, you know, you could watch TV, have a phone and such. So it wasn't the worst, but it just kind of sucked. It wasn't how I thought my 21st birthday would go.
No, no, not at that point Okay, I What we'll get to that if that's coming. All right, so So this went on This went on for probably till mid-2014. Then I began to stop taking the Suboxone. And I was doing heroin again. And that's when I ended up catching my first charge. Shortly after that. Basically, I had a friend that ended up. snitching on our mutual drug dealer.
He drove dump trucks like locally. He wasn't like over the road thing. So he was, you know, he was home every night. You know, he wasn't out driving. So. And my mom, she was like a book. She does like payroll and bookkeeper checks and checks and stuff like that. For like an old folks community, basically.
He was my drug dealer, which I introduced my friend to. And he ends up getting caught for something. He snitches on the drug dealer to get out of it. And in that, in all of that, I am always coming and going from the guy's house.
the police see that and one day they're sitting there around the corner i pull off they follow me i get pulled over searched they say we know where you were we know what you were doing where's the drugs blah blah blah so that was my first charge of possession of narcotics possession of paraphernalia You know, not too bad, but it was my first, you know, real serious brush with the law.
I had gotten in a little bit of trouble when I was under 18 for weed and stuff, obviously. Not serious, but... Those charges, so I'm in county jail, miserable. My parents get me a lawyer. So that was $15,000 for a simple drug charge, which I think now that I look at it, that is insane. I should have paid maybe 5K at most.
Honestly, I should have, but it was my first, you know, real charge. I was scared. You know, I thought I need to get a good lawyer. So I got the best lawyer basically in town for this, which was kind of stupid looking back. But, you know, hindsight, you know, 2020.
Same scenario here. Right. So 15K gets me a deferred prosecution agreement, which I could have got with the public defender anyway as my first as my first offense. Right. So then I was back on the street. Um, they had me on like a year basically of probation. I had to do community service, you know, all that bullshit.
So I took that, I did take that seriously, um, because I didn't want to go to jail, obviously again. Um, so I remained sober for that until, uh, 2015. And then June, 2015 is, uh, my best friend had ended up OD basically. Um, and, uh, Let's see. We, he was, so I was just at the tail end of this DPA, probably like a month left. Uh, my friend dies, this OD. It hit me really hard. Um,
because I hung out with him every day. We went to school together. He was at that public school in high school. So he ODs, passes, leaves, you know, his young son at that time, he's probably four years old, his girlfriend, you know, the rest of his family, you know, and his friends. So that kind of That kind of ended up with me going into a spiral of relapse and destructive behavior.
I would be getting high. I would be going to street races. I'd be running from the police purposefully. That was one of the things that I just really enjoyed doing. I would go out late at night. Got on the freeway, kind of head north out of the city. And just if I see a cop, just drive by him, get off the freeway, flip around and then go drive by him at like 120. So this is on a motorcycle.
I'm assuming you're on a. No, no, no, no. In a car.
I had two, well, I had three cars during that short, during this time frame, basically. I had two Honda Civics. One of them was basically a fully built all-motor car. And it made probably about 270 horsepower. But it only weighed, you know, 2,000 pounds. So this thing was basically a go-kart, you know.
yeah and and it was and it was fast man you know 270 horsepower if anything nowadays but back then and with the the conditions and everything it was it was a quick car and so i would go I would, but I would go blow by him at a hundred, 120 or whatever. I would kind of wait to see if they're going to follow me.
Yep. So I my first high school, my first high school I went to, I got expelled because. Why? Because I listen to this, man. So I was I was in basically study hall, which is right before lunch. So I had a pipe in my backpack and I didn't have any weed or anything like that.
Cause sometimes it just wouldn't, you know, they would just, they would just keep sitting there and just let me go. Um, but the best times were when they would pull out. Um, obviously as soon as I seen those lights, my adrenaline went from, from here to, you know, all the way up here. Um, And that was on top of getting high.
I think that was probably one of the, one of the best drugs that I've had done basically was, was the adrenaline rush from, from running from the police. Uh, cause after you do that, when you get away, you, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. Like, you know, you couldn't sleep. It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your, through your system. Uh,
And then I also had a Subaru WRX STI that was also fully built, 600 horsepower, big turbo, all that. Which, I mean, that was fun to run from the cops in, but I really liked that car and I didn't want to fuck it up. So, you know, a Honda Civic is a Honda Civic, but this car was, it's basically... Full full cost of everything. Right. Body, everything, all that.
Maybe I can get some pictures or something like that and we can throw them up. So besides my street racing, doing drugs and all that, I was. We'll go back a little bit. When I had first started dabbling back in public high school, junior, senior year, so 2010, 2011, I started hearing about the dark depth. Or the dark web, whatever you want to call it.
So I had ordered some drugs from there back then. You know, just here and there. I wasn't really into it. But fast forward, we're back to, you know, that time frame after my friend dies. I'm running 20, 2015, whatever. So... I get back on the dark web basically. And I think, um, this is, this is what I'm going to start doing. So I began to, uh, get drugs off there.
Um, basically ordering heroin, you know, all the ones that I enjoy basically all the downers. Um, and then I would get other drugs that I would sell. What form is this? So there was a few. There was in the beginning, obviously, there was like Silk Road and stuff like that. That was on. Then we get to these Hansa market. I mean, there was there was a bunch of of these marketplaces, basically.
And it's basically like eBay. Right. For drugs. Right. And anything illegal. So I begin to do that and I start, obviously it gets very expensive. So then I have to start figuring out ways I can offset the money that I'm spending. I have a connection to a lab in China where I was getting things for very cheap, like benzo, those research chemicals. I'm not sure if you know anything about those.
They're basically drugs that haven't been used, approved for anything. They're basically... made in a lab, someone makes some tweaks to a molecule, and they come up with a different drug. Right, so it's legal. Well, it's sort of legal. For example, you have Xanax, which is alprazolam.
So one of the research chemical versions would be flu alprazolam, basically, which is just a fluorinated version of alprazolam. It's more potent, lasts longer, and stuff like that. So, um, I'm getting these research chemicals and such from this lab in China. Um, I could get, uh, the grams were $45.
Um, and if I bought more, which I started doing, um, cause at first I would buy two grams of, you know, this two grams of that, two grams of this, and then I would take it, I would get it, repackage it. Also, um, uh, market it, basically press, press these into, uh, press them into pills and then sell them on the dark net also locally, you know, here and there to people that I trusted.
but i went to the bathroom i took a you know took a little hit off of whatever was left in that pipe you know just uh i was bored you know study hall i was i didn't really care about you know school at that point so i was just uh trying to get high and and hang out basically so i come back from the bathroom and this uh this girl that was sitting uh behind me to the left
Um, so let me just say this off of, of, you know, $45 for a gram of, of one of these things, um, which is basically the, about 1000 doses. So I would turn around and sell them for, you know, basically $3 a dose. So the profit margin is pretty, pretty big on that. So I'm starting to get money from that. Everything's good. And this is when I start Well, the fentanyl really comes into play here.
Yeah. So, I mean, I was selling most of it on the dark net on one of these. Okay.
Yeah. I, I, I started, I got a vendor account because at first I was just a buy. I just had a buying account. So I had to get verified. Did you become a vendor? Basically, they got to pay, um, you got to pay a fee. Basically they'll let you in. They'll, they'll check you out. You got to,
um you know do verification type things to become a vendor so i become a vendor i'm doing that selling those rcs and stuff and then you know that's that's when the fence and then i do in between all that i was doing little little stuff here and there to to support myself like um I would get credit card numbers.
I would get accounts for, you know, bank accounts, cryptocurrency account, Coinbase, you know, basically any type of account, Netflix. And I was either reselling them or using them like to buy things or transferring the money, buying crypto with it. And then I would get transferred to my own account that basically.
I, I ended up finding a guy down in Florida who was, who was getting, getting that stuff. I don't know. I probably tried to, but so that was my first one. There was also a couple in in Canada that ran like a retail boutique type clothing store. But in the back is where they had their their operation for their vendor on the dark net.
So they were selling, you know, all kinds of stuff out there, but mostly. um there was also a guy down in texas and then later on um there was a guy in wisconsin um just like an hour away um so i've got you know multiple connections so i'm getting different types of of this from from all these guys they all got different types uh have analogs basically of the fact
um, I don't want to start listing off the names cause that's, um, you know, YouTube might take, take, you know, too many.
Yeah. So a lot of different stuff. Um, so basically I would take that, um, I would take that Fent powder and I would make a solution. I would order about 100 or 200 of these, like a nasal spray, you know, like an empty nasal spray bottles off Amazon. And then just a big jug of saline solution.
I would make a big solution, a volumetric solution with this, uh, with the, um, you know, the stuff and, um, turn it into, um, a nasal spray that, uh, you know, didn't look like it was drugs, right? It's just nasal saline spray. And I even had, uh, um, custom labels made up my own labels that I put on it. Um, You know, so it looked legit.
So that's when it was big time, basically, when I started figuring out the nasal spray thing, and I was doing that.
Apparently, she smelled that I smelled like weed. And she basically texted her mom. Her mom called the school office. The school office then alerted the security there. They came down. And all of a sudden, I notice there is a teacher that comes in and just kind of walks through. And she's looking around.
You know, it's hard to say because I... I was spending so much at the same time. Like I would, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't saving any money. So I would probably say, um, Jeez, probably $5,000 a week in profit or so. Okay. Not bad. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, it's a decent living. It's a lot. If you can maintain it. Yeah, if you can maintain it, which is the problem, right? Exactly. Yeah.
So from 2016 to 2018, that's basically, that was my main hustle, was vending on the dark net. Right. You know, also the, you know, and then street racing, a little bit of fraud here and there. I would, very early on, I found, you know what 4chan is?
Message, basically. Oh, yeah, yeah. Message board, right? On there, way back in the day, people started making these fake coupons for things like electronic stores and stuff like that. So I would get a coupon, basically, and it would be for a brand new video game that just came out. $60, $80 game, and I get it for $1 using this coupon. Online or you go in the store? No, in the store.
Right in the store. And so the coupon isn't, it's not legit, obviously, but the people running the register there are Teenage kids, you know, I'm talking about, you know, going to GameStop. You know, you don't have, you know, super highly intelligent trained people work in the register there. So they see the coupon. They try to scan it. It doesn't scan through. They override it.
They override it and they enter it in. So I'm getting these games for a dollar. Brand new games. I just can't come out. Um, also, uh, you know, coupons for, for grocery stores, load up a whole cart, meat, ribs, steaks, all that stuff, get it for a couple bucks.
Um, so little, little, you know, nickel and dime stuff like that was, uh, was going on kind of before I started the big dark net, uh, vending. Right. Um, and then, and then all that just seemed, uh, well, some of it went away that the, the coupon stuff obviously didn't last long. You had, uh, homeless people that found out about it and they were, they were abusing it so, so hard that, um,
there was actually like nationwide emails sent out to all these companies that, you know, about these coupons, they're not legit and stuff like that.
Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what happened. They towards the end, you would go in there with the coupon and they would say, no, we know what this is. Get out of here. I'm going to call the cops. Don't come back. we get to probably the 2016 to 2018 era, um, which, uh, which was the, the big money making one.
And probably about a minute or two into her doing that, I realized that she's kind of really just focusing on me. So I start devising a plan to get rid of this pipe that I have because they're obviously going to check me in. I know I don't have anything in my locker, so that's good. So Study Hall gets let out.
So during the end of that, towards the end, um, end of 2017, beginning of 2018, eventually packages begin to go missing. Um, weird things start happening. They're arriving late. Um, you know, obviously something's going on and right then I should have known, uh, you know, that there was an investigation going on.
I should have, you know, I should have cut bait and I should have just, I should have got out of there. Um, I probably could have, you know, got away at that point, uh, without being, being identified because, um, Basically, they were investigating a case where one of those vendors, I believe it was the Canadian one, sent some of their stuff to someone down in the United States.
They ended up ODing, and they found... they found the evidence basically of, of dark net transactions. They found the package that came in stuff like that. So they knew, uh, that they were dealing with more than just, you know, uh, some kid on the street that, you know, go, go down to the hood and got some stuff and NLD. Right. Um, so they, uh,
A task force has started with the FBI, the USPS postmaster, local sheriffs, local government, local law enforcement, all of them. They start this huge operation to take down all these fentanyl dealers and stuff like that. 2018 is when beginning of 2018 I believe it was February or March is when my door gets kicked in and I was it was it was they didn't knock on the door and no No, no, no.
They did. They did. Actually, they did because I was sleeping at the time, so I didn't answer. So they're at the door. They're all surrounding the house. There's probably 20, 25 of these cops all down the block surrounding every street, you know, because they didn't know what to expect. But what they did know is that I...
Cause everybody knew and they, and they were, they wanted to get involved basically. And I'm like, listen guys, I'm here because of this. Why do you want to get involved in this? Because I'm in the same place you are. You're just going to come back if you get into this. Basically, World of Warcraft hacks for a game.
They had circumstantial evidence at that point that I was one of these people involved in this operation, which they weren't wrong. So yeah, so I end up The door gets kicked in. I hear this. I'm actually sleeping at the time. Now, most raids happen, you know, people say 4 in the morning, whatever, when people are sleeping. This happened at like 10.30 in the morning.
But I was expecting a package that day. I know the mail doesn't come until 12, 1 o'clock. So I wasn't too concerned. So I was just, you know, hanging out. I was sleeping, just waiting for the package to get there. Let me rewind. There was a package that came probably two or three days before that. It wasn't the normal mail guy, for one. For two, he didn't just leave it in the mailbox.
He came up to the door and asked for a signature for it. That's another thing that I should have knew that something was going on because this package didn't require a signature. And obviously, I find out that wasn't actually a post of a mailman. No. It was a USPS federal inspector. So yeah, not good. I end up with, from that, I end up with about 18 felonies.
I jet over to the lunchroom, and I see one of my buddies in there, and I hand the pipe off to him. And I say, hold on to this. You know, I go grab a tray. I get my food. I just get to my seat. I start eating and all of the security and the principal come in and they say, we need to talk to you. Come with us. So basically, they took me up to the office. They told me about the allegations.
for possession of all these substances, for conspiracy to distribute, conspiracy to get it. And there was a couple misdemeanors too in there as well.
So at the time my door gets kicked in, I was living in Milwaukee.
No, no, not at that time. So I get these charges, 18 felonies, a bunch of misdemeanors. And I think I'm fucked. But the good thing is that when I heard that door get kicked in, I jumped out of my bed. I knew immediately that it was the police. I jump out of my bed. I run over. I kick my computer off. Basically, I just kicked the damn thing, and it ends up turning off and locking, basically.
Everything was encrypted on my computer. If it wasn't already open, you're not going to get on it unless you have the keys, the password, all that. So they weren't able to get into my computer, which saved me from a lot of the charges. I can look at some of the charges here on the court documents. There was everything from... I think I already said basically all the charges.
I'm getting a little I'm getting a little lost here.
Yeah, this is this is basically the first time I'm telling I'm telling any of this story. Right. Except for people that know me and stuff like that. So I'm in county jail. Well, let me rewind. They raid the house. They get me out, you know, put me in the car. They're searching the house. They go through everything. They end up.
Um, one of the cops actually ends up stealing from one of my, uh, roommates. Um, and in his room, he had a thousand dollars. He had a thousand dollars in a Bible that, that was like his, his emergency money. You know, if something comes up, right. So they, they go in there and they, you know, they tear apart everyone, everyone's shit.
You know, when really they should have, they should have just tore apart my stuff and maybe the community, you know, living room, bathroom, stuff like that. Um, but they didn't, they go through the whole house. They steal a thousand dollars from my roommate, uh, out of a Bible. How, uh, how, how great is that? You know, police protecting and serving, um, and stealing.
Yeah, exactly. Um, So I'm sitting out in the car. They're going through the house. The longer they're in there, they're bringing out more and more and more stuff. So that's when the detectives approach me and say, hey, what do you want to do about this, basically? Do you want to talk to us or what? And I say, No, not right now.
I'm I'm not, you know, in a good state of mind at that point because I was still doing drugs and I was I didn't do any before that. So I wasn't feeling good at that time. And I just I said, just take me to jail, you know, get me to the cell. Let me get me in front of the judge and let's get this figured out. But I'm not talking to you about any of this stuff. You know, you do what you got to do.
So in county jail, basically, you're supposed to get in front of a judge within 48 to 72 hours here, I believe it is. Um, but during that time, uh, I was coming off all those drugs.
I ended up having, uh, seizures, um, which led to, uh, aspiration pneumonia, um, from, uh, basically I was puking so violently and so often that I ended up inhaling my own puke and that caused an infection in my lungs. Also getting rhabdomyolysis, which is basically your muscles break down. Your muscle fibers end up...
getting in your bloodstream, you know, your whole body and your body isn't made to process all that. So that's why you get kidney failure and stuff because you get these, I'm trying to figure out how to explain, but basically the muscle fibers can't be, they can't be processed properly. So it backs up your system. So I'm in the jail seizing all this other stuff for about two days.
I denied them, obviously. I basically don't have the Bible on you. I didn't have it on me. So, and I know I didn't have any, we had no paraphernalia, nothing else. So I said, all right, you can search. They wanted to search my backpack. They wanted to search my locker. So we searched the backpack in there. They find nothing. We go down to my locker, they pull it all out. They find nothing.
So that's when they basically call medical. Medical comes in, they say, you need to get this kid to the hospital or he's going to die, basically. So they transport me. I go to the hospital. They diagnosed me with all that stuff that I said. And basically, they couldn't talk to me, obviously, at that point.
So I was actually put into a three-day induced medical coma while they figured out what was going on, testing my blood, all that. Um, so at that, at that time, um, I had, you know, I'd been obviously handcuffed to, to that bed, um, for about 14 days. I think it was actually 12. It's almost two weeks. I'm in, I'm handcuffed to this bed. Um, you know, I couldn't move. I was
I was trying to get over this rhabdomyolysis. And, you know, I was peeing. It was brown. It was like orange, brown. And so I was in basically kidney failure at that point. I was on the edge of needing dialysis, basically, if we couldn't get it sorted quick enough. So that's why I was in the hospital for so long. So they get me on a few medications to stop from seizures and all that.
So they end up taking me back. I missed my court date because of all this. Obviously, they couldn't take me to court when I was having seizures. So I get back. They say, I say, you know, when am I going to see the judge? Um, obviously the CEOs in there, they don't, they don't give a shit. They don't know. Uh, well they do know they could look up in the computer, but they don't.
Um, so eventually about a week goes by and they say, Hey, listen, you, uh, you got court in the morning. Um, So I go to court in front of the judge. And during this time, back up, my parents, they didn't know where I was or what was going on, obviously. My house was taped up. I was gone. There was no record of me in the hospital because I was in custody. So my parents had no idea where I was.
Um, and they, they end up finding out, I don't know how my dad finds out. Um, he think he went to the jail or he went to the hospital and he actually seen me at the hospital. Um,
and then they end up getting me a lawyer i get in front of the judge i mean that was another that was another 20k for the lawyer um and i get in front of the judge i was offered um i was offered a plea for uh five and a half years in to out um
So basically, they don't really know what to do, basically, because there's no proof that this happened. So they say, all right, well, we're going to suspend you. You need to go take a drug test at some lab and come back to us with the results. And then we'll let you back in, you know, if you pass. So I go do that. And it was about three or four days after I had taken that hit.
And I held out for probably, I held out for like a week or two, trying to get a better deal, trying to talk to the lawyer, to talk to the DA and stuff like that, you know, trying to get them to take into account, you know, all the medical stuff and all that. So eventually I take that plea because otherwise I would have gone to trial and I probably would have got smoked.
I mean, absolutely just smoked for like 10, 15 years, at least I would bet. Right. Because at that time, you know, that's when the crisis was, was just really starting to hit the mainstream. So yeah, I would have been made a huge, I would have been just a huge, huge win for the, for the county and the state and everyone, basically. If they get this conviction and, and, you know, they can,
put in there in the news, you know, they stopped a drug dealer, you know, that was dealing right in your neighborhood, right next to your kids, putting everyone in danger by having this stuff shipped in the mail, you know, something could happen and someone comes in contact with what's inside the package and, First of all, it's never going to happen unless someone tries to get into the package.
These packages are double vacuum sealed inside an x-ray proof bag, inside another plastic bag, and then put into the shipping container. Anyway, I digress. So anyway, I took this plea five and a half years, basically. So back to county jail, and I wait for the prison transport, which came a few weeks later, and I was off to...
Me and a few other folks were off for a nice drive to Dodge Correctional Institution, which is basically the classification place that they take you. But it's also basically like a maximum security prison, state maximum. So they had a few units for classification.
Yeah, they had me in a state prison. So the reason it gets, basically, I get charged by the state was because the federal authorities, basically the United States Postmaster and stuff like that, they couldn't prove that I was one, that I was selling this stuff because I had...
uh knocked my computer over it went off they couldn't get into it so there's no record that way however they had before i got arrested there was an investigation going on because they knew someone in that area was shipping things out because they were finding these packages all over the country and they would trace them back to the area where they were shipped like you know they can do that you know they can see exactly what what uh what usps box a package was dropped off into
and stamps and all that. So they knew someone in the area was doing this at that time. So basically, you know, they had all this circumstantial stuff, but they didn't have that smoking gun, basically, which was my computer.
so so they so they weren't able to so basically they handed off or well i guess they didn't really hand it off because the state was involved the whole time as well right it's a it's a tad course yeah it was a full it was a full task force um so I was in this Dodge Correctional for two and a half months being classified. They go through the gauntlet of medical, dental, vision.
They do all that bullshit to make sure everything is... to make sure you're not going to die or you're not physically disabled in some way, and they don't know about it. So in those classification units, you're in your cell 24-7 except for going to that medical appointment or whatever. which, you know, it's trays in your cell. You get out two times a week, maybe three to take a shower.
And listen, I was smoking weed every day at that time. So it's in my system. I go take the test. But before I go, I do kind of like at home detox type thing. And then I basically water down my pee. Right. So I go and I pass. no drugs in my system, take it back to them. That still wasn't enough for them.
Once you get out of the first phase, yeah, the phone, rec, once you get out of the first phase, you can get out an hour for rec. I think it was like three times a week, which, you know, I was happy that, you know, I could get a little bit of sunlight because I had been in the county jail and stuff like that, you know, with no wreck, no outside, no fresh air, nothing.
So that was good, but it was still, you know, it wasn't the best situation. So I get out of the classification. They're not trying to make you happy. No, they're not.
right but they do do room service though so they do they do there's security anyway yeah security and room service that's basically all you get there so i get out of the classification unit um about two and a half months um i go to one of the other units which is on the other side of the prison which is basically where they where they house inmates that are already sentenced um
And they were sentenced to do their time at Dodge because it's also a prison, not just a classification.
No. OK. No, I was I was I was waiting for my transport eventually, which would come. Uh, so I'm in, I'm in the normal housing units where you can actually get out, um, you know, you can get out of your cell for a few hours at a time. There's, there's one TV, there's phones, you know, stuff like that. It's much better than being in your cell 24 seven, obviously. Um, so let's see.
And that's actually where, in Dodge, is actually where I learned how to fish. Because basically, you know, you're in these cells, and, you know, the guy next to you in the other cell over has something that you want, or you want a tray, or something like that. So to anyone watching, if you know what fishing is, it's not with a rod and a hook on a lake. It is...
A bar of soap that's carved into a hook. Yep, yep. A bar of soap carved into a hook. Right. You can do... Yeah, there's a few things you can do for your string, basically. You could do elastic if you want to...
be able to kind of you take it and kind of fling it and get it towards you know something and catch it or or you do like a long uh uh you pull apart one of your state um things and you've got um you know like just basically a thread um so that's where i learned about that which i kind of blew my mind, um, because I, you know, I had never been in prison.
I didn't know anything about that at the time. So my cell, he taught me how to, how to do that. Yeah. He taught me, you know, a lot of things, um, that I had no idea I would need, uh, for the upcoming, you know, couple of years. Um, so, uh,
After I'm in that Dodge for a few months, I get transferred finally to Stanley Correctional, which is only about, I would say, a four and a half hour drive straight from Dodge to Stanley. But you've got a whole bus of guys that got to get dropped off at other prisons on the way. So you're on this bus, you know, hands and feet shackled.
uh you know there's there's a there's a toilet in the back that you gotta i mean just how are you really gonna use the toilet uh when you're like that right so so it smelled like piss you know the floor is wet um just nasty so you're on this bus i'm on this bus for about eight and a half hours just to go four hours away because we had to stop at uh let people off in like new Lisbon, Fox Lake.
They said, due to this allegation, due to other past incidents that I've had, because I was kind of, you know, not exactly the best student there. I was influencing other kids and stuff like that. And they kind of knew about that after talking to other people. So they basically said, we're not going to let you back in. So they expelled me from that school.
I remember, um, what pond we dropped a couple of guys off at, uh, um, Oxford, um, which is a fed, a federal place. I don't know if you know about that. Uh, that, uh, actually, uh, Ryan Leone, uh, spent time at Oxford, um, here in Wisconsin. Who's that? Quick fact. You don't know who Ryan Leone is? No.
He is, um, basically, you know, he was, he was a drug addict and, uh, he went to prison, uh, did time, whatever came out. And he was a really funny, uh, a guy that people could relate to and that would make you laugh. So he started a YouTube channel. So you can look that up. And he has all these stories on here from his using his prison and all that. It's pretty entertaining.
You should definitely check it out. Okay.
yeah he ended up uh doing youtube however um he actually passed away uh last year i believe like a couple months ago actually yeah he was he was clean he was with uh he was with his girl you know everything was good he was he had his kid back he was living on his own and everything was good but he had a relapse and he ended up dying which is unfortunate, you know, but that's what happens.
Um, that's what comes with the territory. Um, so we drop all these guys off at these, at these prisons on the way. And I finally get to, uh, Stanley, which is a medium. Um, and this is where I spend most of my sentence. Um, so I get there probably at 11, 1130.
Uh, I, I finally get through R and D and the intake and I get on the unit at like 1130 after, after everyone's locked in, you know, um, they tell me which cell to go to. And, uh, and that's where I, and that's where I, uh, did time for, um, about a year. I think it was about 10 months, 11 months. At Stanley. No, it was a little over a year. I'm sorry. It's a little over a year. I was at Stanley.
And then that's when. So obviously I had a drug problem and that was documented and the judge allowed. I put in the paperwork that I could do the ERP program, which is basically earned release, which is kind of like the same thing as your, what is it called? RDAP? RDAP. Yeah, it's basically RDAP at this place called Chippewa. So I get transferred from Stanley to Chippewa, which is not far.
It's only about... 15 minutes away. So they just take you in a van, you get there, and this Chippewa place is, compared to where I was, it was sweet. It did feel like a five-star hotel compared to where I just was. It was a secured minimum So there was fences, um, and everything, but, um, there was, there was open movement.
Um, so you could come and go from the yard, um, anytime that, uh, basically from eight till, till lunch, after lunch, till dinner and after dinner for a couple hours, go out on the yard. Um, you could sneak to other units, um,
uh, which leads me to the next school, uh, which is where I go. I start, uh, this is, let's see. Freshman. This is the start of my sophomore year. So the first probably the first semester or so. So I get there. It's a public school. This other one was a private school. So that's basically why they were so strict on this whole on the whole thing and expelling me.
uh you know do your thing if you're if you're making moves yeah exactly um so at that chippewa place i was i was given a bed date which is basically a start date for your program your programming got to that you got to finish to get out uh you do this program for six months and you get a year knocked off your sentence nice yeah so i mean i and i needed i thought i needed that you know
So I spent nine months waiting for my bed day to start this program. So during that nine months, I'm just doing time, figuring out the routine at the new institution because, you know, you got to get into a routine when you get locked up or you're just making time worse on yourself. So I get a routine going. I start making some, you know, some friends there.
And I end up running into a guy that's actually from Milwaukee as well. A black guy. He had sickle cell anemia. And he also had a few, a few other medical issues that basically he was He was given oxycodone, 20 milligram pills, two of them, four times a day. So I get in, I get in with this guy. you know, I'm not, I haven't started my program yet, you know, so I figure, fuck it.
I'll, uh, I'll mess around. Um, so I start getting, you know, these oxys from him and I'm, and I'm doing my thing now in prison, they drug test you randomly. And especially at these, at these lower ones, especially these ones where there's, uh, the drug treatment place. And, uh, So I'm doing these oxys and stuff.
And eventually I get, in the middle of the night, they come in and say, hey, we need to take you for a drug test. They take me out of the cell. I say, okay, go to the bathroom. I try to stall a little bit. Because before I had left the cell, I woke up my buddy who was in the bunk behind me. Because these are 10-man cells, just four 10-man cells per unit.
And then there's a few two-man cells for the workers. So I tell my friend, hey, I need you to help me out here. Because we have talked about this, in case I get a drug test, I need you to pee. So he had this little container that he... that he was saving in case this happened, and it did. Twice, actually. So I wait for him to... I basically tell the cops I can't pee, I need some water, whatever.
They say, okay, go sit in the servery, drink water in there, and then let us know when you got to go. They wouldn't let me back onto the unit, obviously, so they locked me in the servery.
um however uh there's a window um to the unit from the servery so i see my buddy go to the bathroom he comes out he looks at me gives me you know gives me a nod i say to the cops um i'm ready go back in there um at the you know behind the urinal there's this little uh little cup i dump that in there i take a piss in the urinal i flush it i give it to him And I'm good.
So there was a lot of things like that.
Oh, he, oh, they, they, they were watching me, but, um, right. The way that the bathroom was set up, like they couldn't be right next to me. They were kind of standing behind me. Um, so they couldn't really see, they couldn't see exactly what was going on, but you know, they obviously, um, they, they could catch people doing, you know, stuff.
Um, if the, if the person isn't smart enough or, you know, doesn't have, doesn't have the right setup. Um, So I passed that drug test, which is the one that they give you right before you start your programming. It was about a month before my bed date. So I passed that. I get into the programming.
And this is kind of where I start to realize that I need to stop doing this stuff or I'm going to get caught in here and I'm going to have to do the rest of my time in a medium. Because this place is sweet. I wanted to stay there and I wanted to finish out my time there.
So now I'm at this public school and this is, you know, this is not a good place. place to go when I'm, you know, clearly using drugs and stuff because there's tons of tons of people there way more than at the other school that are using drugs, selling drugs, doing all kinds of stuff, skipping school. So that's when I start dabbling with a little bit more than just weed.
I wanted to be there. Yeah, exactly. It was nice. I wanted to be there, but at the same time, there were things there that were not good. Obviously, you've got people going through the program, and they're snitching on people to get rewards and points. You could use these points to... You know, to get a late night, to be able to play Frisbee golf out on the yard because they had Frisbee golf.
They had like the goals. Right. But they wouldn't set them out in the yard for just anyone. They only set them out for for people that made these points. So it was like, you know, there's something special. So people wanted to do it, you know, tell on someone, get some points and you can play Frisbee golf one day, you know, which is,
know well you know it's nice i like frisbee golf and i would do it on the outside all the time but that didn't mean that i was going to start telling out people in order to play frisbee golf in prison right it's amazing when you have everything taken away from you what what raises up to the um
So, I mean, and that's the way that they, that they would weed out people that, that didn't want to, that they, that they didn't want to be in the program. Right. So, you know, people were getting told on for all kinds of stupid things. I mean, just, dumb stuff. We'll just leave it at that. So I'm in the program and
So I like I said, I start to realize I need to stop fucking around in there and I need to take this seriously. So for the most part, I clean up everything. However, the one thing that I really was doing in there was I was tutoring for GED. And eventually some of the people realized that. You know, I was good with computers, obviously.
And that's another thing like we had discussed on the phone when I had got to prison. First off, they, you know, they ask you for your paperwork, your celly or people there. And I said, you know, they said, why are you here? I said, oh, well, drug stuff. And, you know, it was some computer stuff. And that's obviously the wrong thing to say in prison. Right. Because they think you're underage.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So kids stuff. And that wasn't the case. So I had to get my paperwork and show them that it was it was dark, you know, fraud, drugs, stuff like that, that end up getting me caught. So let's see, let's go back where we're before I got on that little rant rant.
you were waiting for the bed space you you wanted to stay in the program and you realized that you needed to clean up your act or you were going to end up having to spend the rest of your time in a medium you didn't want to do that yeah so so i do that so i'm doing not i'm not doing the drugs anymore actually uh one of the reasons is because that dude ended up getting told on um and he uh get kicked out of the program he he only he was like in the last phase he had like three months to get out
He got kicked out because he had his girl. He got on the phone. He talks to his girl. He tells his girl to call up here. And I don't know what he was complaining about, but it was something to do with the way he was being treated for his medical issues. And whatever he said was illegal to be talking about or to be requesting someone to do in prison.
So he goes, so that's just that, you know, that probably helped me out a little bit because the access was no longer there for that. And there was other stuff floating around. There was tobacco. There was a little bit of dope and stuff that would get in there because, like I said, it was illegal.
Up until then, it was just weed. And occasionally I would I would have some alcohol. So, um, I start dabbling at this new high school, um, introducing new friends. We, uh, you know, club drugs, MDMA, you know, LSD, all that type of thing. Um, and that really, that really lit a spark. And I basically became really interested in like
It was a minimum as it was secured, but there was only a fence and right on, uh, there was from the edge of the fence, there was actually just an open field, um, probably 50, 50 yards or so. And then it was trees. And there was actually guys that had, um, uh, you know, like potato launchers and stuff like that.
They would, they would have their people come put a cut open a tennis ball, stuff it with drugs, uh, stuff it with that, you know, whatever they wanted to get in. Um, and then they would fire that thing into the yard, the tennis ball, um, at night. And you would come out in the morning and, uh,
Most of the time the balls would be there sometimes because the CEOs would would rock the yard before opening. They check the yard before before they let you out. So so you would have lazy CEOs and they would just say, oh, it's just a tennis ball. You know, someone left it out here. And they would just leave it.
Sometimes they would pick it up and they would either throw it away or throw it back in the wreck supply area. So you would have to go dig through a bunch of tennis balls and try to find this ball that's been cut open. it was put back together in a way that you couldn't blatantly see. You would have to kind of feel it in your hand compared to the other balls. And they were doing things like that.
And I wasn't involved in anything like that because I wanted to get out. I mean, these were the people that were doing this were guys that, you know, they've been in and out of prison, and that's basically their life. So I'm in this program.
about let's say two two months into the program or so um i i have an issue with uh this guy um this guy bd okay it's a little little short uh black guy but he was built you know he was he was tough muscles you know um
he had a problem with me because that morning for breakfast it was hard-boiled egg day and i had i had a deal with the servery worker to save me a spot in the second line basically once you go through grab your tray you can go back in line if there's extras you can get an extra so i was first in line for that second tray so i could get more than, more than two hard boiled eggs. Right.
Um, and he had a problem with, with that, the fact that I, um, got a tray and he didn't because he felt, you know, entitled, um, or whatever, you know, it's stupid in there. Uh, the things that, you know, people's, you know, setting towels on seats, saving seats in the day room, you know, And that's that's generally respected by most people there because that's how it works.
But for some reason, he just didn't like it. And he comes. I'm actually back at my bunk at the time. And he comes into the cell and he's like, hey, man, I don't know where the fuck you from, but, you know, where I'm from. man, motherfucker, motherfucker gets stabbed up, blah, blah, blah. You know, you ain't going to be doing that shit. That's not how we work around here.
And I'm like, dude, you just got here, you know, two months ago. I've been doing this for the last year, you know, um, at this place. Um, so I'm like, all right, dude, you know, just piss off. You know, basically I say, I'm not, I'm not trying to get in this argument, you know, go get out of here. Um, So he was heated. And honestly, I was a little worked up too.
And later that day, like I said, everyone gets a routine in prison. Later that day, I do my program. I go out on the yard. I'm playing games out there. walk in the track, and I come back in. I go to take my shower, which I would take every afternoon between like 2 and 4. Before like the 4.30 count, I would take my shower. And what he did is, him and another guy plotted to basically fuck me up.
Basically, when I went to the shower that day. So he's sitting in the in the shower room with the mop bucket ringer, the handle to it. So it's basically, you know, a metal handle and then the big plastic thing that squeezes the mop. And he's got that in his hand and he's got the other guy sitting outside of the shower room, you know, waiting to signal that I'm the one coming in there.
pharmacology you know how how the drugs work systematically what they affect all that stuff so um by the time i had graduated uh that public school, I had already become addicted to Roxycodone pills, basically. And also, my buddy worked at an old folks home, and he had access to Fent patches.
So I walk in the shower room completely.
Yes, in the minimum, in the drug program. It's called ERP. It's basically just a cognitive behavioral thing. It's very little to do with drugs, mostly to do with criminal thinking and fixing all that. And he wasn't in the program yet.
so i you know he doesn't sound like program material right and he's not he's actually he's actually back in prison right now um he got out and he was and he's back in already so that that'll tell you everything you need to know so i'm going to the shower that day i take about one step into the shower room and out of the corner of my eye i see something coming at me
and it hits me right across the face knocks one knocks one of my teeth out cracks another tooth next to it i get uh my this eyebrow this eyebrow this thing is backwards on here my left eyebrow um it got cut open real bad i thought you were going to tell me i thought you weren't telling me that you didn't that you you
He hit me with this mop bugger ringer so hard. It cracked the tooth, uh, shattered another one right out of my mouth. Um, Then I get this cut on my eye and the cut was at the time. That was the worst because What how do I explain this this? Cut that I got that's you know It's this long, you know right on my eyebrow So later
Basically, he does this to me, you know, tries to, you know, tries to scare me, talks a bunch of shit, says don't do this shit again or it's going to be worse next time. So I'm like, all right, whatever, dude, like, you know, this is kind of this is some pussy ass shit, you know. I'm not trying to deal with it basically.
Um, but I do have to deal with it because now I'm, I got blood running down my face and I'm not going to go to the cops and say, this guy just hit me with a mop handle because then they're going to investigate not only him, but me and possibly anyone else that was involved or near the incident. And I didn't want anything to do with, with that. So basically I cover it up. I'm, uh,
I'm just trying to hide basically what happened from the CEOs when they come through for count that afternoon.
Yeah, definitely.
yeah they uh the shoe the hole whatever but they actually don't have a hole at uh at the chippewa place they actually send you back to stanley like i said it's only 10 minutes away so the hole is actually in stanley right at the medium so you know they they'll pack you up you know well you know basically um uh let's see
I've got to hide. Cause yeah, cause we've got count at four 30 and they come through. Right. I'm bleeding from the face. So I'm basically trying to hide this, um, through count, um, until after, until I can get out, um, get out on the yard after dinner, basically. Um, so I get out on the yard after dinner and I, uh,
I basically, uh, make sure that there's people around that see, and I basically do a face plant. Um, when I'm, when I'm, you know, running, uh, working out, out on the track and I basically this face plant, I come up on my head and whatever, uh, the CEOs, uh, see it. They got like a, they got like a small watch tower on one side and then they've got one on the other side.
Um, and they've got the CEOs that, um, Patting people down, coming in and out, and stuff like that by the door. And they see this happen, and I get up, and I'm like, oh, no. And the worst part was I actually, from the fake fall, I actually ended up breaking two of my fingers. So not only that, but now I got two broken fingers. So I go to the CEO. I'm like, oh, I need help.
I think I fucked up my, you know, I cracked my head open, and my finger hurts. Like, it was like sideways. It was probably like, you know.
sticking off to the side okay and and you know and i did that to myself so i you know it is what it is um so i go to the ceo i say hey i need uh i need to go to medical uh go to medical they say ah this is this cut is bad you know it's gonna need stitches and they say how did this happen i said well i i fell out on the yard and i took a face plant while i was coming up the hill
right into the, uh, to the asphalt walking path. Um, so they say you need stitches. They don't do it there. So I got to go to the hospital, get these stitches, get my, uh, get my finger set, um, get the splint on that. And, uh,
get taken care of there which um was was actually quite pleasant uh because i was um from there they actually because it's a minimum and stuff they actually don't they don't even cuff you right they take you they just take you in the van to the hospital you walk in like any other person um And I was there for probably like six hours. I got some soda. You know, I got some nice food.
So we were doing the Fent patches and we were sniffing Oxy 30s and stuff like that by the time I graduated high school. So I graduated in 2011 and in 2012, I guess, um, is kind of when things went from, went from just playing around to real life. Uh, a few of my friends OD'd a few, uh, uh, on, on God, um, well,
I got to watch TV that I could control. You know, nobody else around. It was mostly quiet. It was quiet compared to where I was. So, you know, that was a little reprieve for a few hours. So I got stitched up, got my finger taken care of, and then back to Chippewa I go. So I get back, and this dude that did this, he's worried. At this time, he thinks I told on him.
He thinks something's going to happen to him and stuff. So he comes to me and he says, hey, what the fuck's going on? You know, like, did you tell or what? And I said, no, dude, I made up a story about falling out on the yard. So after that, he has enough respect for me for not telling him that he hasn't fucked with me for the rest of the time that I'm there. Wow.
Which is kind of dumb that you got to do something like that in order to get an ounce of respect in there. So basically, I get back to Chippewa. I've got a broken finger, stitches and stuff. I'm still in the program at this time. Probably...
three months uh left um maybe three and a half months left or so um i i get there i get back i get back into my routine um i'm doing the uh ged tutoring and like i said they found out um well i'm gonna go back a little bit they found out about the computer stuff obviously pretty early um but then uh
We get to go down to the library at this minimum where they actually have a few computers that obviously aren't connected to the internet or anything like that. They just have basic things like Microsoft Word so you can make a resume or you can watch TED Talks. That's all on there. But it's all old. It's all real old. So I started teaching like basically a computer class like twice a week.
We would go down there and I'll teach them how to do basic things on the computer. Real basic stuff. But after a little while, the CEOs started they weren't monitoring us anymore. They just let the librarian. And that's when I started teaching them about the dark web because everybody knew and they were they wanted to get involved, basically. And I'm like, listen, guys, I'm here because of this.
Why? Why do you want to get involved in this? Because I'm, you know, this is I'm in the same place you are. You're just going to come back if you get into this, you know. But. Hey. doing it because uh you know they were paying me you know coffee soups whatever to teach them all this stuff about the dark web and and so they could get out and get back to action um So I'm doing that.
I'm through the program. Like I said, I cleaned up my act mostly besides that. And I graduate the program in mid 2020. So I was in prison in this medium for when COVID started. So I got to experience that, which was fun. And then I get done with the program. They say, okay, your release date was moved down. I'm like, cool. So I go back to my cell. A couple days go by.
I end up getting called in by the counselor. He says, we got an email from Madison, which is the state. that runs basically all the prison stuff, central office.
that inmates that have completed the program that are waiting on a release date um they'll get paroled early um as long as they um there was there was factors to it they that you know they didn't just let anyone out they completed the program um you had to have a solid place to stay they weren't accepting halfway house because of covid um all this stuff so i got lucky
I ended up getting out and I tell, you know, I tell them I'm going to stay with my parents. I've got a ride. I've got everything I need. And they say, all right, we'll email them back and tell them. So another couple of days go by. They call me up and say, hey, you're going to be getting out in a couple of weeks. Nice. Instead of doing another, what, probably year, year and a half or so.
So I get out. And And basically, you know, I was doing well when I got out. That was mid late 2020. And and now I'm just trying to I'm just working on rebuilding my life and, you know, trying to trying to do do it right.
one of them od on on heroin one of them od on on um xanax and oxycodone i believe um and then yeah those are those are the first two that was in 2012 if those two first happened so um 2012 i start college um I'm going to a local, going to like kind of a local school. basically for a medical degree of some type.
So I'm doing programming, a little bit of coding for basically World of Warcraft hacks for a game. Yeah.
Yeah. So people I've got like 60, 60, 70 clients, customers right now, every month that pay for access to this script, basically that, you know, allows them to do things in the game when they're not there or to do things that they can't do because they suck at the game. Basically, it's a hack. It helps them out. It's a whole other story with the coding and stuff.
So, yeah, I'm just doing this programming stuff. I want to get some type of job outside of this because this is something that I enjoy doing, but I want to do it on the side. I don't want to do it, you know, for every day. Right. It gets lonely, you know, basically. Right. So, yeah, that's where I am right now.
Just, you know, I'm with my parents until I'm off probation because that's something that I'm still dealing with.
Yeah, kind of like a white hat, you know, basically that helps out people testing their vulnerabilities and such. And I have emailed some people because I really was into, back in the day, I was into hacking websites, defacing them, putting up my own website.
home screen basically they would go to their website and they would be greeted with you've been hacked by you know such and such if you want if you want everything back um you send uh bitcoin or monero you know and we'll release or release your stuff um so you know that was another thing and there was all kinds of little stuff like that i was doing um online um
So yeah, I mean, I would like to do something like that. It definitely would be nice to get out of the house more because I'm, you know, I'm on probation and I'm doing this from home. So I'm, I'm here a lot of the day.
Yeah. So I'm, uh, there's a few things that I'm doing. I'm taking, um, not related to that, but I'm taking the Amazon course for like AWS, um, and a few other, uh, and a few other online courses for just developing my skill set. Because at this time in my life, I haven't really had a real job since shortly after high school.
So I don't have, you know, a resume to give to a company to say, hey, you know, I'm a solid person. I know what I'm doing and stuff. If they look, they just see, you know, some old stuff and then they do the background check. And that's when you get dismissed, basically, like, I'm sorry, we're not interested right now. Right.
So I'm dealing, uh, that's, that's basically, um, the main thing holding me back right now is that, uh, is, is, is the background checks and, um, being on probation and such, um, not being able to move around and do what I need to do.
Yeah.
Um, I mean, yeah, there, there's a lot like, is, I mean, is there anything else, uh, part of the story? I mean, I know I talked to you before, um, a couple, you know, last week, um, or whenever that was. And if there's any other questions you have from, from that or anything you're interested in learning about.
Yeah. So my Instagram is dream.tech, tech, T-E-K. And then I have a YouTube channel, but I haven't really done any posting on it since before I got arrested. You got to post on it. That's what, yeah, that's what I actually just made a little update video the other day saying, hey, you know, I'm going to come back, you know. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm going to do though.
That's the problem that I'm having because before I was doing car stuff on, you know, I was building cars, showing the cars that I have, racing, you know, basically all focused upon aftermarket, you know, modifying cars and such. But I do want to branch out into something else if I could.
Yeah, because there's definitely a lot of things in there. I mean, like the first time we had gotten in a high speed chase, I was with a buddy of mine and I actually wasn't even driving. He was the one driving and I wasn't ready for it at the time, but I think that is kind of, you know, like your first hit of a drug, like crack or whatever. You're hooked, right?
But that kind of hooked me into the adrenaline thing, and that's when it started. So I was 17 or 18, I think, maybe at the time. Um, and that's what started me with the, uh, um, getting into police pursuits and stuff like that. And, and, and, uh, street racing, going to the races, uh, you know, I was, I would race for cash. Um, And I did that.
Since I became interested in the drug culture and all that stuff, it just made sense to me to maybe go into the medical field. So I had that interest in pharmacology and medicine and mental health and how drugs can affect that and how they can help that and such. Um, so, you know, I was, I was still doing drugs while I was going to college and stuff. And that, that really wasn't good.
I tried to do that to get money sometimes when I was withdrawing or whatever. I would go out on a Friday night to try to find people to race. Let's go for $100, $200, whatever. And I didn't even have the money, but I would, but I would pick on cars that I know I could beat, you know, cause I was, cause I had my, um, I would go out in my STI wagon.
Basically it's like 600 horsepower all wheel drive. Um, so I was doing that. Um, and, uh, So there was one time I got in a high speed chase where I was on the freeway. It was late. It was probably two in the morning. I was in one of my civics back then.
And I'm running from this cop and I get off on this exit and I'm going so fast that I end up hitting the, it was a roundabout at the end of the off ramp. And I go straight through the roundabout, right over the grass, right over the median. And then I get right back on the freeway.
Um, so, and I actually lost the guy, um, by doing that because he thought I got off and went somewhere else, but I actually just got back on the freeway and he just couldn't see around the corner where the, where the, where the on-ramp was.
Um, so there was, there was all, there's all kinds of little, little stuff like that. Just crazy things that could have ended and horribly. Um, and. yeah, there's, there's a lot of things that I could, that I could talk about.
So that's what I'm, I want to, uh, start doing things like that, but I don't, I don't really want to focus completely on, on, uh, you know, illegal things and in prison and stuff like that.
Yeah, definitely. And that's, and that's what I, that's what I started doing. Uh, that's what I did. Um, I just made an update the other day, like, Hey, I'm coming back. So I'm going to, I'm definitely going to start with the YouTube thing again, because I did have some of that before I got locked up. Um, you know, I had, uh, I had probably, uh, 1200 subscribers or something like that.
Um, before I got locked up. Um, and, um,
It was, but I wasn't making anything. Right. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it was a couple cents, basically, for a video, you know, if I was lucky. Uh, which, I mean, I knew if I kept going with that, that it would get better. Um, but you know, I was also living this, this dual life where I was on YouTube doing this car stuff.
But when I was off the camera, I'm doing all this drug stuff, um, and illegal stuff. So those two really don't mix, um, trying to, trying to put yourself in, in the public, you know, spotlight on, on, on the internet and then doing this stuff, uh, It's just not, it won't mix. Right.
Yeah. Yeah. If you want to just put that, uh, you know, in the video or in the description or whatever, you know?
Cause I would probably be at, you know, two classes a day if, if I even went that day. Um, so I'm, I'm not, I'm not doing the greatest in college, but I'm making it. So during spring break, 2013, I was downtown. I was on the east side. I was on a side street. I'm walking, and I get hit by a car. It throws me. I break my neck. Three of my vertebrae. Were you walking on the street?
That's fine. Yeah.
Well, I was crossing on a side street.
No, she just ran the stop sign while I was walking across the sidewalk. Or I was walking on the sidewalk to the other side of the street. Okay. So she hits me with her Jeep. I get thrown, break my neck.
a couple other you know things but the neck was the most serious one uh c4 through c6 is all fused together now so range of motion is lacking you know pain stuff like that um so i get into surgery uh well anyway they let me go back so i They hit me. I'm knocked out basically. I don't remember anything except for the impact. And they get me and they sit me up.
Okay, so I was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and I was born in 92, so I'm 30 years old right now. I lived in Milwaukee with both of my parents until the mid-2000s. which then we moved out to a suburb kind of about 10, 15 minutes outside of Milwaukee. And then that's where I lived. That's where that's where I'm currently at right now. Well, so my dad, he was a truck driver.
They try to sit me up on the sidewalk, but I couldn't sit up straight. I kept just falling over because I had no sense. I had no equilibrium basically. I start the surgery about a day after that accident. They had me in the hospital because They were concerned about the drugs in my system because they did a blood test and they found H and some benzos and stuff like that in my system.
So they waited a day. I start the surgery. Everything goes, you know, as well as it could according to the doctor, which, you know, I'm not so sure about, but... It is what it is. You know, I can't really fix it. Um, so anyway, I spent probably two, two weeks in the hospital or so, um, after that, uh, recovering, uh, gaining, you know, movement, getting strength and such.
And during that time, I'm, um, IV Dilaudid and Oxy syrup, like a lot. So because I was addicted to opiates already, they had to up the dose, obviously. So they were giving me a lot. And I was discharged. I was given, you know, a huge script for Roxycodone 10s. I was given two, I think it was 240 or 260 milligrams a day. just of the oxys.
And this is when my opiate use kind of just was kicked into overdrive. I started doing physical therapy, but I was also still doing heroin. After I came home from the hospital, I had a neck brace on, and I was obviously not in a good situation. I shouldn't have been going out driving down to the hood and copping down there while I got a neck brace on.
They said you cannot drive because you can't move, you can't see behind you, stuff like that. So obviously that's that's just reckless. Right. And I'm putting myself in danger, possibly others. But at that time, I'm not worried about that. You know, who cares about that? I need to get I need to get this. I need to get this stuff.
So I end up getting to about $50 to $100 a day of an H habit on top of those prescribed oxys from the next thing. However, about a month after the accident, so two weeks after I got out of the hospital, the doctor wanted to get me off the oxys. So she starts a taper, which really wasn't much of a taper. Yeah. So it wasn't much of a taper.
She cut about 30 milligrams, I believe it was, every three days. So I was completely off the oxy within, you know, a week. or so, you know, give or take. And that's, that's obviously not enough when you're dependent to be taken down that fast. It needs to be slower.
Um, so basically they start talking to me about, um, I go in for my checkups, uh, for my neck from a surgeon and such, um, you know, while this taper is going on, uh, they start talking to me about, uh, ibuprofen uh for pain which i mean come on that's that's not gonna work um and then they start saying um possibly they want me to switch to suboxone or methadone to handle my
my pain and my addiction to opiates. So of course I replaced that oxy that she took me down on with more heroin. So now I'm doing $100 to $200 a day of heroin mixed in with Xanax, Valium, basically anything else I could find at that point that would help with the pain and
know just take me out of the situation that i was living in basically eventually in late 2013 october i go to rehab for the first time and after rehab well they get me on suboxone in rehab i get i get i do the 30 days inpatient Um, which was kind of miserable because I, you know, that was actually my 21st birthday, um, was in October.
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
Prolong it.
Prolong it.
Was machst du? Du hast ihnen Waffen gesendet. Ja.
Was machst du? Du hast ihnen Waffen gesendet. Ja.
Das ist ziemlich cool.
Das ist ziemlich cool.
I agree with you, man.
I agree with you, man.
Das Ding ist, Grape... Das klingt, als ob du es fehlst!
Das Ding ist, Grape... Das klingt, als ob du es fehlst!
This podcast is brought to you by Sunday Cool. Watch this or listen.
This podcast is brought to you by Sunday Cool. Watch this or listen.
Just watch the video. There's nothing wrong.
Just watch the video. There's nothing wrong.
Korrekt. Ist es Grush oder Koresh? Korrekt.
Korrekt. Ist es Grush oder Koresh? Korrekt.
Was sprichst du? Was sprichst du?
Was sprichst du? Was sprichst du?
I was stepping on the headphones.
I was stepping on the headphones.
Verstehe es nicht.
Verstehe es nicht.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Apologize to Levi right now.
Apologize to Levi right now.
Look in the camera and apologize. Don't blame him. Don't blame Levi. He's like three years old. He's not real. He's like ten or something.
Look in the camera and apologize. Don't blame him. Don't blame Levi. He's like three years old. He's not real. He's like ten or something.
I'm pretty sure. He's like 16 months. I'm pretty sure. He's a baby, Lil. You just yelled at a baby? I didn't yell at him. Blaming at him? Ew. Sorry. That's disgusting.
I'm pretty sure. He's like 16 months. I'm pretty sure. He's a baby, Lil. You just yelled at a baby? I didn't yell at him. Blaming at him? Ew. Sorry. That's disgusting.
I love you to death. But when it comes to you yelling at an infant and telling this infant that they're stupid. I never said that. Okay, back it up.
I love you to death. But when it comes to you yelling at an infant and telling this infant that they're stupid. I never said that. Okay, back it up.
Well, I guess you guys heard it here first. Sorry, Levi, our little child. Lily thinks you're stupid. I literally don't. Levi, no. And she wants all the endangered animals to die. Sorry, Levi. Welcome to the show.
Well, I guess you guys heard it here first. Sorry, Levi, our little child. Lily thinks you're stupid. I literally don't. Levi, no. And she wants all the endangered animals to die. Sorry, Levi. Welcome to the show.
Everyone, give it up for our king. Everyone goes like this. As soon as I said that, I was like, nope, that's not how I meant it.
Everyone, give it up for our king. Everyone goes like this. As soon as I said that, I was like, nope, that's not how I meant it.
Buckle up, Buttercup, because today's episode of Ninjas Are Butterflies is going to knock your socks off.
Buckle up, Buttercup, because today's episode of Ninjas Are Butterflies is going to knock your socks off.
I think they're great. First of all, they're women, and I support that. Absolutely. Absolutely. And their fit? Fantastic.
I think they're great. First of all, they're women, and I support that. Absolutely. Absolutely. And their fit? Fantastic.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
doing his uh big spell but then it shows just in different languages how they translate this is In Japan.
doing his uh big spell but then it shows just in different languages how they translate this is In Japan.
Hey, good job, Josh. Who did that? Who originated that? Do you know? Chimpanzees? No. You don't know that? No. Well, you'll never know.
Hey, good job, Josh. Who did that? Who originated that? Do you know? Chimpanzees? No. You don't know that? No. Well, you'll never know.
We got a lot to dive into today. Hey, listen. Get your goggles on. Get your stretches in because we're Michael Phelps in it. We're diving in. Check out our cups. Yeah, I got mine on my desk over there. We got some stuff sent to us from Josh Sweat. That's really from the White House.
We got a lot to dive into today. Hey, listen. Get your goggles on. Get your stretches in because we're Michael Phelps in it. We're diving in. Check out our cups. Yeah, I got mine on my desk over there. We got some stuff sent to us from Josh Sweat. That's really from the White House.
He works in the White House. You can't do anything like that without working at the White House. I got an Air Force One. Show off your Camp David, Yeti. This is sick.
He works in the White House. You can't do anything like that without working at the White House. I got an Air Force One. Show off your Camp David, Yeti. This is sick.
Pretty cool gifts.
Pretty cool gifts.
Cool gifts.
Cool gifts.
We got some socks. We got some cryptid socks. And this makes you officially the new president, I think. Look at that.
We got some socks. We got some cryptid socks. And this makes you officially the new president, I think. Look at that.
He's like, maybe this is what Nicolas Cage will do to visit me finally.
He's like, maybe this is what Nicolas Cage will do to visit me finally.
No, it's a blackout curtain. I just imagine him just standing underneath the curtain. pretty close to the wall. Looks like he's playing hide and seek. You obviously see the outline of him and he's just staring at it in the dark.
No, it's a blackout curtain. I just imagine him just standing underneath the curtain. pretty close to the wall. Looks like he's playing hide and seek. You obviously see the outline of him and he's just staring at it in the dark.
We the people. That's hilarious.
We the people. That's hilarious.
Hey, thanks for doing that, Tron. Yeah, thanks, man.
Hey, thanks for doing that, Tron. Yeah, thanks, man.
Yeah, as of yesterday.
Yeah, as of yesterday.
I read through them all last night. That's awesome. Quick breeze.
I read through them all last night. That's awesome. Quick breeze.
You should just upload them to ChatGBT and say, give me the synopsis. I literally asked ChatGBT last night. I said, you know the files are dropped, right? And they said yes. And I said, okay. can you read all of it? And she says, yeah, I did. And I said, okay, did the CIA do it? And they're like, well, there's just not enough to point. And I'm like, okay, whatever.
You should just upload them to ChatGBT and say, give me the synopsis. I literally asked ChatGBT last night. I said, you know the files are dropped, right? And they said yes. And I said, okay. can you read all of it? And she says, yeah, I did. And I said, okay, did the CIA do it? And they're like, well, there's just not enough to point. And I'm like, okay, whatever.
That is dope.
That is dope.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So what did you think? It was terrifying. Was it?
So what did you think? It was terrifying. Was it?
Was it frilly, like fully red? Oh, yeah. Photo? It was frilly red.
Was it frilly, like fully red? Oh, yeah. Photo? It was frilly red.
You want to take a lap? Yeah. You want to take a lap, Will? Get out of here.
You want to take a lap? Yeah. You want to take a lap, Will? Get out of here.
We have to.
We have to.
And I tried to take a picture of my iPhone and it did not take at all. I see a lot of people taking photos of the moon and uploading them like to Facebook and stuff.
And I tried to take a picture of my iPhone and it did not take at all. I see a lot of people taking photos of the moon and uploading them like to Facebook and stuff.
That literally looks like a NASA picture of a galaxy or something.
That literally looks like a NASA picture of a galaxy or something.
Dude, for real. Was it bright or was it kind of like mesh? That's how I could find it at first. That's kind of scary. It was very scary. Imagine seeing those in ancient times. Not knowing that Blood Moons are happening.
Dude, for real. Was it bright or was it kind of like mesh? That's how I could find it at first. That's kind of scary. It was very scary. Imagine seeing those in ancient times. Not knowing that Blood Moons are happening.
thought that was incredible and face swap harry potter into every person in the intro asian harry potter i would just look like moaning myrtle dude if there was like a magical but it was like based in like japan or china or something like that it was like a wizard place but it was all japan or like chinese culture that would be honestly pretty cool that'd be sick every time i hear lord voldemort say that don't like when you say a spell you have to like pronounce it perfectly
thought that was incredible and face swap harry potter into every person in the intro asian harry potter i would just look like moaning myrtle dude if there was like a magical but it was like based in like japan or china or something like that it was like a wizard place but it was all japan or like chinese culture that would be honestly pretty cool that'd be sick every time i hear lord voldemort say that don't like when you say a spell you have to like pronounce it perfectly
Yeah, it was creepy. I wonder how you could fake that like with kids or something. Like, you know how they do like New Year's Eve, like they do it at like at seven and they go to bed. Yeah. It's like, I want to see the blood moons. Like, did you bring it?
Yeah, it was creepy. I wonder how you could fake that like with kids or something. Like, you know how they do like New Year's Eve, like they do it at like at seven and they go to bed. Yeah. It's like, I want to see the blood moons. Like, did you bring it?
A red lens.
A red lens.
Yeah, I can see that. So who dropped these? NASA.
Yeah, I can see that. So who dropped these? NASA.
And are they asking questions about it? I don't know. People are just pointing it out then. It wasn't like, look what we found.
And are they asking questions about it? I don't know. People are just pointing it out then. It wasn't like, look what we found.
Yeah. Even on the actual thing, you can see that it's like a circular, like it dims as it goes down to the bottom. That is wild. Dude, that's a scary thing. Just seeing something like that and not seeing wings or propellers or anything like that. Especially if it's silent. I don't know if those things are silent.
Yeah. Even on the actual thing, you can see that it's like a circular, like it dims as it goes down to the bottom. That is wild. Dude, that's a scary thing. Just seeing something like that and not seeing wings or propellers or anything like that. Especially if it's silent. I don't know if those things are silent.
Which isn't Elon doing something in 2026 with Mars? Are they doing their first actual landing there? I don't know what it was. That guy is busy. Crazy. He saved the astronauts. He did.
Which isn't Elon doing something in 2026 with Mars? Are they doing their first actual landing there? I don't know what it was. That guy is busy. Crazy. He saved the astronauts. He did.
Sounds like it.
Sounds like it.
Maybe it was too expensive or something. I don't know, but did you hear that they're not even getting overtime pay?
Maybe it was too expensive or something. I don't know, but did you hear that they're not even getting overtime pay?
They're getting extended business trip pay. They're not getting overtime pay.
They're getting extended business trip pay. They're not getting overtime pay.
No, no. Like they are literally getting just what they like, what the verbiage was, what a regular employee would get for an extended business vacation. Bro. Like they were prisoners up there. They had no choice. Like almost 10 months longer than they should have been up there.
No, no. Like they are literally getting just what they like, what the verbiage was, what a regular employee would get for an extended business vacation. Bro. Like they were prisoners up there. They had no choice. Like almost 10 months longer than they should have been up there.
Ten months in space, though? Stranded? I don't think that's... I mean, even on the worst day, that's not even like... That's not a plan B. I would instantly freak out.
Ten months in space, though? Stranded? I don't think that's... I mean, even on the worst day, that's not even like... That's not a plan B. I would instantly freak out.
Yeah. So that's how that spell is supposed to be pronounced, which is the funniest thing to me. It's like, I mean, anybody else trying to pull off that, you'd have to say it like that.
Yeah. So that's how that spell is supposed to be pronounced, which is the funniest thing to me. It's like, I mean, anybody else trying to pull off that, you'd have to say it like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like three body problem.
It's like three body problem.
It's crazy. I mean, they've done Mars simulation. They had those people in there for a year, that Mars simulator on Earth. Yeah. And I don't know, man.
It's crazy. I mean, they've done Mars simulation. They had those people in there for a year, that Mars simulator on Earth. Yeah. And I don't know, man.
I have no idea. We found the ace. It's the most, I mean, I don't know. It's the most, it's the planet.
I have no idea. We found the ace. It's the most, I mean, I don't know. It's the most, it's the planet.
Yeah, I could not think of the word. But do you see those astronauts land in the ocean?
Yeah, I could not think of the word. But do you see those astronauts land in the ocean?
Dude, it looks AI. It's so pretty. They have, like, parachutes in the middle of this blue clear ocean. They land in this little capsule. Three big parachutes fall into the water. And you see these boats racing to go get them. And then, literally, they have a drone footage. A pod of dolphins come up to the capsule and start swimming around.
Dude, it looks AI. It's so pretty. They have, like, parachutes in the middle of this blue clear ocean. They land in this little capsule. Three big parachutes fall into the water. And you see these boats racing to go get them. And then, literally, they have a drone footage. A pod of dolphins come up to the capsule and start swimming around.
And then, yeah, SpaceX says... They're killing them!
And then, yeah, SpaceX says... They're killing them!
Sue or whoever the lady astronaut jumps out just starts eating the dolphins. She's so hungry.
Sue or whoever the lady astronaut jumps out just starts eating the dolphins. She's so hungry.
That would be good.
That would be good.
Do our, yeah, our dolphins, the pods. We can call it a pod.
Do our, yeah, our dolphins, the pods. We can call it a pod.
You are the president now. This is really cool. I know. What's your first act as president?
You are the president now. This is really cool. I know. What's your first act as president?
Yeah, and get Jeff Probst from Survivor just to stand out there and just motivate everyone.
Yeah, and get Jeff Probst from Survivor just to stand out there and just motivate everyone.
But then you're sending all of our fit people to Canada, right? Or vice versa. They'll come back. But on the other side of the wall... It's just an easy slope with a bunch of snacks on it.
But then you're sending all of our fit people to Canada, right? Or vice versa. They'll come back. But on the other side of the wall... It's just an easy slope with a bunch of snacks on it.
Kind of genius, but also terrifying, dude. A dark factory. Dude, imagine we're just walking in there. Pitch dark and you just hear all the noises. Yeah. That's scary. Right? I forget if this has audio. I guess it depends on what they're making in the factory.
Kind of genius, but also terrifying, dude. A dark factory. Dude, imagine we're just walking in there. Pitch dark and you just hear all the noises. Yeah. That's scary. Right? I forget if this has audio. I guess it depends on what they're making in the factory.
What if it's like just a bunch of... Look at your... Like Bop-Its. Bop-It.
What if it's like just a bunch of... Look at your... Like Bop-Its. Bop-It.
Dude, why hasn't Bop-It become a horror movie yet? I guess there's no audio.
Dude, why hasn't Bop-It become a horror movie yet? I guess there's no audio.
That's all we care about at the end of the day. That looks cool. We are just in such a weird time. I saw somebody explaining on TikTok recently about just the idea of living in a very futuristic world, but yet we're dealing with people who can't afford groceries. Mm-hmm.
That's all we care about at the end of the day. That looks cool. We are just in such a weird time. I saw somebody explaining on TikTok recently about just the idea of living in a very futuristic world, but yet we're dealing with people who can't afford groceries. Mm-hmm.
And it's just like all these different struggles. But yet everyone's got these wonderful VR machines and consoles and TVs and driving car. Like, it's weird. We are in the future, but we're just people are not surviving on it.
And it's just like all these different struggles. But yet everyone's got these wonderful VR machines and consoles and TVs and driving car. Like, it's weird. We are in the future, but we're just people are not surviving on it.
Ridiculous. I thought when I heard that, I'm like, can we not get more creative? That sounds ridiculous.
Ridiculous. I thought when I heard that, I'm like, can we not get more creative? That sounds ridiculous.
She can't pronounce her D's. No, it's crazy. It really is kind of bonkers just how it is all for show. I mean, have you heard of a Zoom call? Can we not do these conferences over Zoom? I mean, it's kind of insane.
She can't pronounce her D's. No, it's crazy. It really is kind of bonkers just how it is all for show. I mean, have you heard of a Zoom call? Can we not do these conferences over Zoom? I mean, it's kind of insane.
It's not our fault. We can't do anything about it. Quit putting the responsibility on us.
It's not our fault. We can't do anything about it. Quit putting the responsibility on us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, no.
No, no.
Hey, it's for the environment. Hey, I appreciate it, man.
Hey, it's for the environment. Hey, I appreciate it, man.
150 miles a gallon.
150 miles a gallon.
150 miles a gallon. That's insane. That's not true.
150 miles a gallon. That's insane. That's not true.
Them just running into mathematical problems. Instead of the Chamber of Secrets, you don't have to speak Parseltongue. You just have to figure out a multiplication table thing.
Them just running into mathematical problems. Instead of the Chamber of Secrets, you don't have to speak Parseltongue. You just have to figure out a multiplication table thing.
15 minutes of silence is what they were doing at that moment.
15 minutes of silence is what they were doing at that moment.
To disperse the crowds. And the government's denying it. But look at the video I just sent you. Immediately. There's no way you could even orchestrate this. It's like... They pointed it down the center of the street because both of them, literally like the Red Sea, they just split.
To disperse the crowds. And the government's denying it. But look at the video I just sent you. Immediately. There's no way you could even orchestrate this. It's like... They pointed it down the center of the street because both of them, literally like the Red Sea, they just split.
Look how they scatter. They immediately just go out of the road.
Look how they scatter. They immediately just go out of the road.
That's a whistle. You can't hear it. That's the thing. I don't think it picks up on the phone.
That's a whistle. You can't hear it. That's the thing. I don't think it picks up on the phone.
People's teeth will fall out? You really don't remember that?
People's teeth will fall out? You really don't remember that?
You can't think, you can't process, it's just chaos. And they say this thing gets up to 160 decibels, which is like standing right next to a rocket launch. Oh my gosh. You don't know what you're hearing. You just know that it's causing so much pain. You can't help it. You can't run from it. And the government people are saying they didn't do it. They're denying that they even did it.
You can't think, you can't process, it's just chaos. And they say this thing gets up to 160 decibels, which is like standing right next to a rocket launch. Oh my gosh. You don't know what you're hearing. You just know that it's causing so much pain. You can't help it. You can't run from it. And the government people are saying they didn't do it. They're denying that they even did it.
And it's like, you can't. That's evidence. Something happened. If it wasn't the government, figure out what it was.
And it's like, you can't. That's evidence. Something happened. If it wasn't the government, figure out what it was.
Yeah. Right? So...
Yeah. Right? So...
Nope. They were out there because the building fell. Why are you laughing? Maybe. So that destroyed the building? Shut up. No.
Nope. They were out there because the building fell. Why are you laughing? Maybe. So that destroyed the building? Shut up. No.
So, yeah, that was scary. I mean, we definitely have that weapon in America.
So, yeah, that was scary. I mean, we definitely have that weapon in America.
We've never seen it be used, though, right? Not that we're aware of. I mean, that definitely seems like the more appropriate riot type of thing instead of tear gas. I mean, I don't know what else we do now besides guns.
We've never seen it be used, though, right? Not that we're aware of. I mean, that definitely seems like the more appropriate riot type of thing instead of tear gas. I mean, I don't know what else we do now besides guns.
Yeah, Leave the World Behind.
Yeah, Leave the World Behind.
It was just in the sky. The kid's teeth started falling out.
It was just in the sky. The kid's teeth started falling out.
I mean, I feel like that's the whole point, right? I mean, we look at so many movies that have all this AI generation and people taking over the astro viewing, whatever all that is. It's just all right in front of our face. It's almost like they have to do it. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird, man. Hey, man. I don't get it. But speaking of, like, you said Black Mirror. Black Mirror.
I mean, I feel like that's the whole point, right? I mean, we look at so many movies that have all this AI generation and people taking over the astro viewing, whatever all that is. It's just all right in front of our face. It's almost like they have to do it. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird, man. Hey, man. I don't get it. But speaking of, like, you said Black Mirror. Black Mirror.
Welcome back to telepathy tapes secondhand news.
Welcome back to telepathy tapes secondhand news.
Do you see Black Mirror's coming out with a new season?
Do you see Black Mirror's coming out with a new season?
Let's talk shows real quick. You guys watch Adolescence on Netflix.
Let's talk shows real quick. You guys watch Adolescence on Netflix.
Well, let's talk about it right now.
Well, let's talk about it right now.
Insane. It's on Netflix. Four-part series. Four episodes, I mean.
Insane. It's on Netflix. Four-part series. Four episodes, I mean.
Of course he is. Look at him. Yeah. He's from Missouri. Springfield. Beautiful. He's a beautiful man.
Of course he is. Look at him. Yeah. He's from Missouri. Springfield. Beautiful. He's a beautiful man.
It literally is. Every episode is one shot.
It literally is. Every episode is one shot.
They've done it a couple times. Yeah. Yeah. They definitely hit on that whole toxic masculinity culture type of stuff.
They've done it a couple times. Yeah. Yeah. They definitely hit on that whole toxic masculinity culture type of stuff.
The real stuff, like the real disgusting things. Yeah.
The real stuff, like the real disgusting things. Yeah.
It teaches you a lot of sympathy to have for like, I mean, what would you do if you were the parent in this situation type of stuff? It's gut-wrenching, man. That dad deserves an Emmy, though. I love him, dude.
It teaches you a lot of sympathy to have for like, I mean, what would you do if you were the parent in this situation type of stuff? It's gut-wrenching, man. That dad deserves an Emmy, though. I love him, dude.
Also, listening to his voice the whole time was great. He's got such a great accent.
Also, listening to his voice the whole time was great. He's got such a great accent.
yeah it's tough man as a parent as a parent like we're it's so easy to keep your kid happy let them do what they want go to the room just stay in there as long as they're happy they're safe whatever it's like no you're they've lost connection you've got to keep that connection and that's such a the internet is a very dangerous place especially for children it's not monitored have you guys seen like the study on cocomelon have we talked about that
yeah it's tough man as a parent as a parent like we're it's so easy to keep your kid happy let them do what they want go to the room just stay in there as long as they're happy they're safe whatever it's like no you're they've lost connection you've got to keep that connection and that's such a the internet is a very dangerous place especially for children it's not monitored have you guys seen like the study on cocomelon have we talked about that
It's like going to an AA for kids. Like, hi, my name's Andy. I'm addicted to Cocomelon.
It's like going to an AA for kids. Like, hi, my name's Andy. I'm addicted to Cocomelon.
I think it was, oh, which one was it? Fancy Nancy, I think, is a show on Disney that Demi used to watch. And she had attitude, dude, on this show. And we just started seeing little tiny things that would be almost copying on the show. And I was just like, yeah, we're done with it. And all you have to do is just go, parents, all you have to do... Log in on your computer. Go to your stream site.
I think it was, oh, which one was it? Fancy Nancy, I think, is a show on Disney that Demi used to watch. And she had attitude, dude, on this show. And we just started seeing little tiny things that would be almost copying on the show. And I was just like, yeah, we're done with it. And all you have to do is just go, parents, all you have to do... Log in on your computer. Go to your stream site.
You can literally say, don't suggest this show anymore. I've done that. We're like, weird. I can't find it. Let's watch something else. We don't need to have a reason for everything. It's like, you know as a parent what you're supposed to do. And that show... Shows you some things are out of your control. Some things, no matter what, are out of your control.
You can literally say, don't suggest this show anymore. I've done that. We're like, weird. I can't find it. Let's watch something else. We don't need to have a reason for everything. It's like, you know as a parent what you're supposed to do. And that show... Shows you some things are out of your control. Some things, no matter what, are out of your control.
Gave me a lot of sympathy for, like, you think about parents who are parents of school shooters and stuff. I know. How much guilt they must carry.
Gave me a lot of sympathy for, like, you think about parents who are parents of school shooters and stuff. I know. How much guilt they must carry.
Because they keep listing all the stuff that maybe they did do wrong. It's like, okay, you know what I mean? Maybe it's all right to say we could have done a little bit better, but we can't put the blame for everything on us. Yeah, it's super tough, man.
Because they keep listing all the stuff that maybe they did do wrong. It's like, okay, you know what I mean? Maybe it's all right to say we could have done a little bit better, but we can't put the blame for everything on us. Yeah, it's super tough, man.
You can say no to your kids and still love them. Also let your kids be bored. Yeah, just let them be bored. Figure it out.
You can say no to your kids and still love them. Also let your kids be bored. Yeah, just let them be bored. Figure it out.
Send them outside. I used to say all the time, and Kelsey maybe stopped saying it because it kind of sounded mean, but I would just be like, only boring people get bored. So, figure it out. So, you know, like, figure it out. Do something. You have a million things.
Send them outside. I used to say all the time, and Kelsey maybe stopped saying it because it kind of sounded mean, but I would just be like, only boring people get bored. So, figure it out. So, you know, like, figure it out. Do something. You have a million things.
And also cinematically, it's phenomenal.
And also cinematically, it's phenomenal.
The shots. The planning of how to move the camera and stuff.
The shots. The planning of how to move the camera and stuff.
But the thing is, they did long pauses. There was a lot of like, you could tell they probably were doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes, but there would be times where it'd be stuck on one dude for a whole minute, two minutes of just staring quiet. And you're like, it really made you feel like you're a part of this scene. And it made you feel gross.
But the thing is, they did long pauses. There was a lot of like, you could tell they probably were doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes, but there would be times where it'd be stuck on one dude for a whole minute, two minutes of just staring quiet. And you're like, it really made you feel like you're a part of this scene. And it made you feel gross.
Also, the leader at the school, the old lady, For some reason, she's the most convincing character in the whole movie to me. I'm like, I've met this lady. Her walk, her looks, the way she talked to everybody, it was crazy.
Also, the leader at the school, the old lady, For some reason, she's the most convincing character in the whole movie to me. I'm like, I've met this lady. Her walk, her looks, the way she talked to everybody, it was crazy.
Hey, I mean, not maybe not.
Hey, I mean, not maybe not.
Hey, speaking of ads and not going anywhere, Josh, have you heard about this? What? Apparently, there's a company out here in Central Florida that creates water-based ink t-shirts. What? Yeah. People are saying people are ordering them all across the country, sometimes even out of this country in Canada and places. Listen, they're grabbing these t-shirts.
Hey, speaking of ads and not going anywhere, Josh, have you heard about this? What? Apparently, there's a company out here in Central Florida that creates water-based ink t-shirts. What? Yeah. People are saying people are ordering them all across the country, sometimes even out of this country in Canada and places. Listen, they're grabbing these t-shirts.
They're being shipped to them mysteriously quick. They order them one day, and then three days later, they're shipping to them. 72 hours? 72 hours, Josh. Are you kidding me? And it doesn't stop there. When people feel these shirts, not only when they have a, maybe say they're in maybe a depressive state or maybe rough or dealing with anxiety, as soon as they put on these shirts, it all goes away.
They're being shipped to them mysteriously quick. They order them one day, and then three days later, they're shipping to them. 72 hours? 72 hours, Josh. Are you kidding me? And it doesn't stop there. When people feel these shirts, not only when they have a, maybe say they're in maybe a depressive state or maybe rough or dealing with anxiety, as soon as they put on these shirts, it all goes away.
You're telling me Sunday Cool t-shirts get rid of depression? I don't even think I told you the name of Sunday Cool, but yeah, it is Sunday Cool. I don't know how you knew that, Josh. But I'm telling you right now, if you go to sundaycool.com, try it out. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. Go to sundaycool.com. Okay. Order custom shirts for your group, your church, whatever.
You're telling me Sunday Cool t-shirts get rid of depression? I don't even think I told you the name of Sunday Cool, but yeah, it is Sunday Cool. I don't know how you knew that, Josh. But I'm telling you right now, if you go to sundaycool.com, try it out. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. Go to sundaycool.com. Okay. Order custom shirts for your group, your church, whatever.
Okay. Your business. Go there, order these, and I promise you, you will see a change.
Okay. Your business. Go there, order these, and I promise you, you will see a change.
You have Charlie bit my finger. You have Charlie that kills people.
You have Charlie bit my finger. You have Charlie that kills people.
Oh, Malk was good. Yeah. Pour me a glass of Malk. Dude, what is he doing now? It's crazy how like you could literally be on top of YouTube and then suddenly like no one knows anything. Like you're not even putting anything out. It's wild.
Oh, Malk was good. Yeah. Pour me a glass of Malk. Dude, what is he doing now? It's crazy how like you could literally be on top of YouTube and then suddenly like no one knows anything. Like you're not even putting anything out. It's wild.
I remember reading about, do you remember like the first interaction you had with YouTube? No, I really, I literally remember it. Uh, we had like a, I was in Oregon and we had a classic on just pop culture stuff and we had to read like a news thing every week. And that was it. It was 2007. Like they're like this big, you know, website, YouTube and a bunch of videos and stuff.
I remember reading about, do you remember like the first interaction you had with YouTube? No, I really, I literally remember it. Uh, we had like a, I was in Oregon and we had a classic on just pop culture stuff and we had to read like a news thing every week. And that was it. It was 2007. Like they're like this big, you know, website, YouTube and a bunch of videos and stuff.
I remember specifically reading it. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So strange.
I remember specifically reading it. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So strange.
No. Like that was the first time I ever had heard about it. When did it come out? Like I think it was 2007, 2006 or something like that. Oh wow. Yeah.
No. Like that was the first time I ever had heard about it. When did it come out? Like I think it was 2007, 2006 or something like that. Oh wow. Yeah.
I think 43 now. I think 43. Oh, 43. Questions corner, questions corner, questions corner with Lily.
I think 43 now. I think 43. Oh, 43. Questions corner, questions corner, questions corner with Lily.
Oh, love Alan. I wouldn't classify Alan as mysterious. He's probably the most least mysterious guy in the world.
Oh, love Alan. I wouldn't classify Alan as mysterious. He's probably the most least mysterious guy in the world.
That'd be crazy. That's a great answer. Oh, man. I think I would take my person to the sphere in Las Vegas.
That'd be crazy. That's a great answer. Oh, man. I think I would take my person to the sphere in Las Vegas.
No, just to stand outside of it. I think just to really just look at it. Don't think the whole world is like that. Yeah. It's like, it's not. It's just Vegas. What's a Vegas? And then I would probably show him a bop it. Probably.
No, just to stand outside of it. I think just to really just look at it. Don't think the whole world is like that. Yeah. It's like, it's not. It's just Vegas. What's a Vegas? And then I would probably show him a bop it. Probably.
That's a good answer.
That's a good answer.
Imagine putting a VR headset on one of those guys back in the day.
Imagine putting a VR headset on one of those guys back in the day.
That movie was so good. Yeah. Did you ever see that? No, I don't think so. Martin Lawrence, he falls into a pond and then ends up back in the Middle Ages and just becomes this great hero in their time. It's just the funniest thing.
That movie was so good. Yeah. Did you ever see that? No, I don't think so. Martin Lawrence, he falls into a pond and then ends up back in the Middle Ages and just becomes this great hero in their time. It's just the funniest thing.
I think we had a launch yesterday, by the way.
I think we had a launch yesterday, by the way.
Yeah, take them for a ride.
Yeah, take them for a ride.
In a tunnel?
In a tunnel?
Also, I have the world record for the other type of pie. What's your pie of choice? That's tough, isn't it?
Also, I have the world record for the other type of pie. What's your pie of choice? That's tough, isn't it?
It's the middle of summer. How is this possible? What witchcraft is this? Dude, Lily would be burned to the stake immediately. He'd be like, trying to take her. Like, you can't do that, guy.
It's the middle of summer. How is this possible? What witchcraft is this? Dude, Lily would be burned to the stake immediately. He'd be like, trying to take her. Like, you can't do that, guy.
built around it i don't know i'm like build build the tunnel and then drop it down that makes sense to me but i can't understand it's so weird i don't get it do you get it no because this baffles me because i think i've seen videos how they do it and then all the comments are like still doesn't make sense still don't get it they might have to assemble it all in the sky not in the land we have to do it in the air guys that's the only way tunnels work
built around it i don't know i'm like build build the tunnel and then drop it down that makes sense to me but i can't understand it's so weird i don't get it do you get it no because this baffles me because i think i've seen videos how they do it and then all the comments are like still doesn't make sense still don't get it they might have to assemble it all in the sky not in the land we have to do it in the air guys that's the only way tunnels work
Peanut butter. Peanut butter pie? What about with a crust on top and stuff? A crust of peanut butter pie. Put a crust on that thing. It's fine. Probably an apple, blueberry. I love a blueberry pie. Apple and peach. Apple and peach?
Peanut butter. Peanut butter pie? What about with a crust on top and stuff? A crust of peanut butter pie. Put a crust on that thing. It's fine. Probably an apple, blueberry. I love a blueberry pie. Apple and peach. Apple and peach?
Do we have any underground, like, water tunnels in America? In New York. It goes under the Hudson. Oh, yeah. I think we talked about that, right? Yeah.
Do we have any underground, like, water tunnels in America? In New York. It goes under the Hudson. Oh, yeah. I think we talked about that, right? Yeah.
No, this one you drive through.
No, this one you drive through.
I don't know. Yeah, the thing we've talked about, like, there was one. Better hold your breath. There's that big underground tunnel.
I don't know. Yeah, the thing we've talked about, like, there was one. Better hold your breath. There's that big underground tunnel.
What did you say? Well, by the time this comes out, Severance was last week, the finale. So this Friday, I can't wait for that. But another show on Apple TV is dropping every Friday, and it's called Dope Thief. There's two episodes out right now.
What did you say? Well, by the time this comes out, Severance was last week, the finale. So this Friday, I can't wait for that. But another show on Apple TV is dropping every Friday, and it's called Dope Thief. There's two episodes out right now.
Three, technically. But, dude, that one's crazy because it's just two guys who live in Philadelphia who go and pretend to be DEA agents. go into these meth houses, handcuff these people, steal the drugs and money, and then leave.
Three, technically. But, dude, that one's crazy because it's just two guys who live in Philadelphia who go and pretend to be DEA agents. go into these meth houses, handcuff these people, steal the drugs and money, and then leave.
And it goes horribly wrong. I can imagine. Talk about high intensity. It's pretty brutal. And I also told Josh about a Netflix movie called Calibre. C-A-L-I-B-R-E. That's a movie that you have to watch. I literally, after the movie, it was like midnight, and I had 20 minutes of me trying to do slow breaths so my heart rate could go down so I could fall asleep.
And it goes horribly wrong. I can imagine. Talk about high intensity. It's pretty brutal. And I also told Josh about a Netflix movie called Calibre. C-A-L-I-B-R-E. That's a movie that you have to watch. I literally, after the movie, it was like midnight, and I had 20 minutes of me trying to do slow breaths so my heart rate could go down so I could fall asleep.
Once you find something good, it's good.
Once you find something good, it's good.
I'll do it today. I don't know what's about to happen. Oh, cool.
I'll do it today. I don't know what's about to happen. Oh, cool.
A lot of people don't know about McDonald's.
A lot of people don't know about McDonald's.
I didn't know. I haven't gotten that.
I didn't know. I haven't gotten that.
An apple and peach one?
An apple and peach one?
Lily, we got to get you in horror movies quick. I was so drawn out. That really scared me because I was slow on the video. I was like three seconds behind. So I was like, what's going to happen?
Lily, we got to get you in horror movies quick. I was so drawn out. That really scared me because I was slow on the video. I was like three seconds behind. So I was like, what's going to happen?
Fried apples from Cracker Barrel are insane.
Fried apples from Cracker Barrel are insane.
I'm like, thanks, bro. Did you get punched in the face multiple times? No. I feel great today. There was no joke. There was one time I was walking to a gas station at work and I literally walk up and I was like, hey, how you doing? She's like, well, I feel just how you look. And I'm like... I'm like, I've, I thought I, I mean, I feel great.
I'm like, thanks, bro. Did you get punched in the face multiple times? No. I feel great today. There was no joke. There was one time I was walking to a gas station at work and I literally walk up and I was like, hey, how you doing? She's like, well, I feel just how you look. And I'm like... I'm like, I've, I thought I, I mean, I feel great.
I mean, and I walked out, it was that quick of an interaction. Cause I, I was picking up newspaper. I used to do that gig where I just picked up the old newspapers or gas stations. So it was just quickly, Hey, how you doing? I'm doing just about, I'm feeling just about as good as you feel. And it's like, She said how you look? I feel how you look? Yeah, I feel just about as good as you look.
I mean, and I walked out, it was that quick of an interaction. Cause I, I was picking up newspaper. I used to do that gig where I just picked up the old newspapers or gas stations. So it was just quickly, Hey, how you doing? I'm doing just about, I'm feeling just about as good as you feel. And it's like, She said how you look? I feel how you look? Yeah, I feel just about as good as you look.
It's crazy. That sounds like a derogatory term. Dude, these fried apples at Cracker Barrel. We got a couple fried apples at the Cracker Barrel. We got to go take care of them.
It's crazy. That sounds like a derogatory term. Dude, these fried apples at Cracker Barrel. We got a couple fried apples at the Cracker Barrel. We got to go take care of them.
No, she was in a bad mood. She had an attitude and she was one of those things where it was just a bad day. It was also when Andy used to have this hunchback.
No, she was in a bad mood. She had an attitude and she was one of those things where it was just a bad day. It was also when Andy used to have this hunchback.
That was before.
That was before.
Whatever I could to get by. That's about it.
Whatever I could to get by. That's about it.
They ask me, they're like, hey, we have a guy that literally just goes to all the gas stations, to the Walmarts, to all the stores in town. There's like 90 stops. And there's every Friday, we just need someone to go pick up the extra newspapers that didn't get sold. So that way the stores would get credit back to the ones they didn't sell.
They ask me, they're like, hey, we have a guy that literally just goes to all the gas stations, to the Walmarts, to all the stores in town. There's like 90 stops. And there's every Friday, we just need someone to go pick up the extra newspapers that didn't get sold. So that way the stores would get credit back to the ones they didn't sell.
And so I would have to keep markers and go back, count all the newspapers, and I would just have this big 15-passenger van with no seats in it and just throw piles of newspapers into the back of this thing and unload it and do that every Friday.
And so I would have to keep markers and go back, count all the newspapers, and I would just have this big 15-passenger van with no seats in it and just throw piles of newspapers into the back of this thing and unload it and do that every Friday.
90 different places.
90 different places.
No, I lied about being an optician. I literally, like I was 18, I needed a job so bad. And I literally walked up down Main Street in Joplin. I stopped at like Sherman Williams, every store, all these places, asking for an application, filled it out. The first place that I stopped was the only person that called me back. And I went back and they're like, so have you been an optician before?
No, I lied about being an optician. I literally, like I was 18, I needed a job so bad. And I literally walked up down Main Street in Joplin. I stopped at like Sherman Williams, every store, all these places, asking for an application, filled it out. The first place that I stopped was the only person that called me back. And I went back and they're like, so have you been an optician before?
And I said, no. Yeah, just I've dabbled and I've been like, cool. If you start on Monday, you'll be doing this, this, this all weekend. How to become an optician, how to how to how to work a lensometer, all this stuff. And I was pretty good at it for a while.
And I said, no. Yeah, just I've dabbled and I've been like, cool. If you start on Monday, you'll be doing this, this, this all weekend. How to become an optician, how to how to how to work a lensometer, all this stuff. And I was pretty good at it for a while.
How many car wrecks?
How many car wrecks?
If you go, if you look up, there's an eyeglass in Longview, Texas. If you look up eyeglass world in Longview, Texas and go to the Google reviews guarantee, I'll have like 10 shout outs on and using they'll drop my name. I guarantee it. Andy, I can see bro.
If you go, if you look up, there's an eyeglass in Longview, Texas. If you look up eyeglass world in Longview, Texas and go to the Google reviews guarantee, I'll have like 10 shout outs on and using they'll drop my name. I guarantee it. Andy, I can see bro.
Dude, I'm obsessed. He's the dude that talked about the, uh, astrology, right? That the quote, no, that's JP Morgan. Got it.
Dude, I'm obsessed. He's the dude that talked about the, uh, astrology, right? That the quote, no, that's JP Morgan. Got it.
You've made that? That's awesome.
You've made that? That's awesome.
Oh, I was going to say.
Oh, I was going to say.
Pies are hard, dude.
Pies are hard, dude.
Actually quite soft. So stupid.
Actually quite soft. So stupid.
They don't know. There's a lot of people that don't know about McDonald's. Dude, a lot of people are sleeping on McDonald's. That's true, dude.
They don't know. There's a lot of people that don't know about McDonald's. Dude, a lot of people are sleeping on McDonald's. That's true, dude.
Yeah, what's up with that?
Yeah, what's up with that?
Got to listen to the money.
Got to listen to the money.
You guys were out on the run.
You guys were out on the run.
Champagne bottles.
Champagne bottles.
The thing is, if Bill Gates wanted us gone, the thing is, he could make it happen so quickly. Yeah, probably. He really could. It's so scary. Speaking of graphs, have you seen those graphs that have nothing to do with each other, but yet they follow the same line? There's a guy I follow on TikTok where he's just like...
The thing is, if Bill Gates wanted us gone, the thing is, he could make it happen so quickly. Yeah, probably. He really could. It's so scary. Speaking of graphs, have you seen those graphs that have nothing to do with each other, but yet they follow the same line? There's a guy I follow on TikTok where he's just like...
The number of people that used this medication lines up perfectly with, you know, like the amount of times an alligator had a swallowed child or something like whatever. But it's just they find statistics and they find graphs that have the exact same lineup. And they're like, maybe there's a correlation. That's so funny.
The number of people that used this medication lines up perfectly with, you know, like the amount of times an alligator had a swallowed child or something like whatever. But it's just they find statistics and they find graphs that have the exact same lineup. And they're like, maybe there's a correlation. That's so funny.
We'll create this world. You listen to it. You'll be fed. You'll have a place to live. It's fine. Just don't question it. Just stick to our rhythm. Put your kids in this school. Yeah. Send them to that school. Do this. And it's just they want that to be a repeatable pattern. They want it to be a predictable thing. Yeah. And they just don't want to have to worry about it. It's what we use today.
We'll create this world. You listen to it. You'll be fed. You'll have a place to live. It's fine. Just don't question it. Just stick to our rhythm. Put your kids in this school. Yeah. Send them to that school. Do this. And it's just they want that to be a repeatable pattern. They want it to be a predictable thing. Yeah. And they just don't want to have to worry about it. It's what we use today.
But that's not what humans are ever going to do. No.
But that's not what humans are ever going to do. No.
It's almost like something inherently inside of us wants to be creative. Feeding their economy. Yeah. And like there's something inside of us that wants to fight against that.
It's almost like something inherently inside of us wants to be creative. Feeding their economy. Yeah. And like there's something inside of us that wants to fight against that.
And it's literally like what we've been created to do and greed and power, love for that stuff is literally forcing us to, one, I guess that's good because we're recognizing and hopefully we recognize and say, all right, I'm going to break out of this mold. I'm going to not going to just stick to this because this is not what I've been created to do. I want to chase my own dreams.
And it's literally like what we've been created to do and greed and power, love for that stuff is literally forcing us to, one, I guess that's good because we're recognizing and hopefully we recognize and say, all right, I'm going to break out of this mold. I'm going to not going to just stick to this because this is not what I've been created to do. I want to chase my own dreams.
I want to do what I want to do.
I want to do what I want to do.
And that's why we see so many leaders or politicians or whatever, they literally just get up to that point, and they want to do good. They have that in their heart, but they realize that that game is rigged. And so you have to play ball. Or you're gone.
And that's why we see so many leaders or politicians or whatever, they literally just get up to that point, and they want to do good. They have that in their heart, but they realize that that game is rigged. And so you have to play ball. Or you're gone.
And so it's like, okay, so I can, I'll have a little win here for me. Maybe I'm not doing what I really need to do, but it's for the bigger thing. It's for the future. It's for, you know, whatever.
And so it's like, okay, so I can, I'll have a little win here for me. Maybe I'm not doing what I really need to do, but it's for the bigger thing. It's for the future. It's for, you know, whatever.
Yeah. It's all about maintaining power.
Yeah. It's all about maintaining power.
Yeah, dude, it's literally the definition of evil.
Yeah, dude, it's literally the definition of evil.
Yeah. The Sermon on the Mount says you cannot serve two masters. You cannot love God and love money. It's like... Man, that hits you right there. Jesus knows how important money is and how it can really distort everything that we do.
Yeah. The Sermon on the Mount says you cannot serve two masters. You cannot love God and love money. It's like... Man, that hits you right there. Jesus knows how important money is and how it can really distort everything that we do.
Yeah. I'm not addicted to money, but I do want it and need it every moment of my life. I wouldn't say I love money, but I would like more. I would literally sacrifice anyone in my life to have more money. To have 10 bucks in my pocket right now.
Yeah. I'm not addicted to money, but I do want it and need it every moment of my life. I wouldn't say I love money, but I would like more. I would literally sacrifice anyone in my life to have more money. To have 10 bucks in my pocket right now.
What year is it, officer?
What year is it, officer?
Ivan the Terrible, yeah.
Ivan the Terrible, yeah.
Have we not talked about him? I can't remember. We talked about Vlad the Impaler. Oh, no. I just saw Ivan the Terrible, his son. Yeah, that painting. The painting is heartbreaking. I'm Googling. Yeah, Ivan the Terrible painting.
Have we not talked about him? I can't remember. We talked about Vlad the Impaler. Oh, no. I just saw Ivan the Terrible, his son. Yeah, that painting. The painting is heartbreaking. I'm Googling. Yeah, Ivan the Terrible painting.
Ruled.
Ruled.
Golly, dude.
Golly, dude.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
Cool.
So whatever the Tsar said, they did. They did whatever they wanted to.
So whatever the Tsar said, they did. They did whatever they wanted to.
I mean, everyone had one back then.
I mean, everyone had one back then.
Did he really?
Did he really?
He didn't say anything about your driving or anything like that? No. Because I'm wondering like if he saw and then he pulled up and then he ran the plates and then that's when he found out.
He didn't say anything about your driving or anything like that? No. Because I'm wondering like if he saw and then he pulled up and then he ran the plates and then that's when he found out.
Now, is there evidence that this library existed or, like, was it written down, like, hey, there's this library, like...
Now, is there evidence that this library existed or, like, was it written down, like, hey, there's this library, like...
Oh, yeah. You get like cheap, cheap fries, cheap drink every time. Point system's pretty dope.
Oh, yeah. You get like cheap, cheap fries, cheap drink every time. Point system's pretty dope.
Still.
Still.
I wonder if Putin knows. Putin has to know. I don't know. He's got to know.
I wonder if Putin knows. Putin has to know. I don't know. He's got to know.
I mean, yeah. That's the thing. It's such a vast amount of knowledge that you have. Or just history. Things that may confirm more. I mean, who knows? They could be anything.
I mean, yeah. That's the thing. It's such a vast amount of knowledge that you have. Or just history. Things that may confirm more. I mean, who knows? They could be anything.
I know. Dude.
I know. Dude.
Was it more than what they say?
Was it more than what they say?
that's like because it's how can you have so much i mean i don't want to say power knowledge seems like too lack of like it's just such an intense form of like knowledge in one area like so much of it yeah And for it to be just like the burning of Alexandria, it's like, that's so sad. Like, that's crazy to me.
that's like because it's how can you have so much i mean i don't want to say power knowledge seems like too lack of like it's just such an intense form of like knowledge in one area like so much of it yeah And for it to be just like the burning of Alexandria, it's like, that's so sad. Like, that's crazy to me.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, we talked about like, they're like the federal employees, you know, how they have that huge tunnel underground. Yeah. And like, just that it's literally holding paper documents and stuff. Yeah.
I mean, we talked about like, they're like the federal employees, you know, how they have that huge tunnel underground. Yeah. And like, just that it's literally holding paper documents and stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, back then they definitely had a lot more pull, right?
Yeah. I mean, back then they definitely had a lot more pull, right?
So they could say whatever they wanted and it would happen. Yeah, man. That's such a crazy thing. You think about Atlantis, we talk about Doggerland. That stuff is totally possible. Yeah. And the only way we can know is possibly through this literature.
So they could say whatever they wanted and it would happen. Yeah, man. That's such a crazy thing. You think about Atlantis, we talk about Doggerland. That stuff is totally possible. Yeah. And the only way we can know is possibly through this literature.
That sounds like more sense. He's more reasonable than that. I get that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That sounds like more sense. He's more reasonable than that. I get that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Not so great.
Yeah. Not so great.
Believe it or not, you know, depending on his name, I know you guys may think, but actually he was a bad guy. He was not nice. Yeah. Contrary to popular belief.
Believe it or not, you know, depending on his name, I know you guys may think, but actually he was a bad guy. He was not nice. Yeah. Contrary to popular belief.
That's a great sign. Yep. Yep. What is the trifecta for serial killers?
That's a great sign. Yep. Yep. What is the trifecta for serial killers?
Mother issues.
Mother issues.
Oh, yeah. That, bedwetting into late age, and then cruelty to animals. So if you guys are doing the checklist at home, you're like, oh, no, I'm in trouble.
Oh, yeah. That, bedwetting into late age, and then cruelty to animals. So if you guys are doing the checklist at home, you're like, oh, no, I'm in trouble.
Every week, it's my secret library.
Every week, it's my secret library.
It's a Ninjas and Butterflies book club.
It's a Ninjas and Butterflies book club.
Because you got pulled over the day before, right?
Because you got pulled over the day before, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. You left a review. Yeah, of course. Oh, nice. I created Gmail accounts for all of them. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of reviews, there he is. I literally did that after I left.
Yeah. You left a review. Yeah, of course. Oh, nice. I created Gmail accounts for all of them. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of reviews, there he is. I literally did that after I left.
Yeah, they would get rewards or shout outs or something if anyone ever dropped a name. So after I left, I just made sure to drop everyone's name.
Yeah, they would get rewards or shout outs or something if anyone ever dropped a name. So after I left, I just made sure to drop everyone's name.
Yeah, Skunk Ape Story. There's a new UFO movie coming out that's crazy big.
Yeah, Skunk Ape Story. There's a new UFO movie coming out that's crazy big.
Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Dolphins are aliens. Yeah, are we sticking with that? Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, duh. I was thinking something else. I was thinking something completely different.
Dolphins are aliens. Yeah, are we sticking with that? Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, duh. I was thinking something else. I was thinking something completely different.
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Did you see that guy? Go get him. I thought you meant him.
Did you see that guy? Go get him. I thought you meant him.
You have, like, so many where you go like this. I make so many faces. You really don't.
You have, like, so many where you go like this. I make so many faces. You really don't.
And girls plug ears.
And girls plug ears.
Whoa. You're suspended. And he didn't give you a ticket.
Whoa. You're suspended. And he didn't give you a ticket.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's great, dude. The thing is you can't, you shouldn't be too embarrassed because a thousand, I mean, sorry. A thousand dollars.
Yeah. It's great, dude. The thing is you can't, you shouldn't be too embarrassed because a thousand, I mean, sorry. A thousand dollars.
But the state of Florida, you can't go anywhere without tolls. And they do that because of the tourism.
But the state of Florida, you can't go anywhere without tolls. And they do that because of the tourism.
But I would tell Josh, we should have some, as a Florida resident, you should have a discount on tolls. Like it should automatically.
But I would tell Josh, we should have some, as a Florida resident, you should have a discount on tolls. Like it should automatically.
Yeah, it really does sound good. This is my little Felony. PH.
Yeah, it really does sound good. This is my little Felony. PH.
All right, cool. Should we even do a song at this point? I don't know.
All right, cool. Should we even do a song at this point? I don't know.
Good for him, dude.
Good for him, dude.
He's dead though, huh?
He's dead though, huh?
same same you don't work here get that to me get that to me cory lynn's get him out of here all right um can i play you an audio real quick it doesn't work good this is uh this is something i just heard really quickly and i thought it would be funny but it's a shot of harry potter it's uh lord voldemort he who must not be named and he's uh
same same you don't work here get that to me get that to me cory lynn's get him out of here all right um can i play you an audio real quick it doesn't work good this is uh this is something i just heard really quickly and i thought it would be funny but it's a shot of harry potter it's uh lord voldemort he who must not be named and he's uh
Think about it for a second. Yes! Okay. What? Why would you say that, Will?
Think about it for a second. Yes! Okay. What? Why would you say that, Will?
Watch the footage. Yes. Yeah. Welcome back. All right. Look, you just said nuns are obnoxious. You actually did. Can you give one reason why they're obnoxious? Give one reason why they're obnoxious.
Watch the footage. Yes. Yeah. Welcome back. All right. Look, you just said nuns are obnoxious. You actually did. Can you give one reason why they're obnoxious? Give one reason why they're obnoxious.
Help is on the way, dear.
Help is on the way, dear.
See what I did there? See what I did, kid? Hey, old.
See what I did there? See what I did, kid? Hey, old.
The sun is up, the skies are blue, the flowers bloom with drops of dew. Gentle breeze, the trees awake, the world is fresh, no time to waste.
The sun is up, the skies are blue, the flowers bloom with drops of dew. Gentle breeze, the trees awake, the world is fresh, no time to waste.
Yes, we do. I love you. Hold me through. I said we love you. Butterflies every day. I'll see you later this way at
Yes, we do. I love you. Hold me through. I said we love you. Butterflies every day. I'll see you later this way at
It's all right.
It's all right.
Some unexpected turns, but we got there. I messed up a little here, messed up a little there, meshed it a little together, and... Yes, I thought it is okay.
Some unexpected turns, but we got there. I messed up a little here, messed up a little there, meshed it a little together, and... Yes, I thought it is okay.
But...
But...
Thank you.
Thank you.
It doesn't matter. Welcome to the show.
It doesn't matter. Welcome to the show.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh boy.
Prolong it.
Was machst du? Du hast ihnen Waffen gesendet. Ja.
Das ist ziemlich cool.
I agree with you, man.
Das Ding ist, Grape... Das klingt, als ob du es fehlst!
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Just watch the video. There's nothing wrong.
Korrekt. Ist es Grush oder Koresh? Korrekt.
Was sprichst du? Was sprichst du?
I was stepping on the headphones.
Verstehe es nicht.
Yeah.
Apologize to Levi right now.
Look in the camera and apologize. Don't blame him. Don't blame Levi. He's like three years old. He's not real. He's like ten or something.
I'm pretty sure. He's like 16 months. I'm pretty sure. He's a baby, Lil. You just yelled at a baby? I didn't yell at him. Blaming at him? Ew. Sorry. That's disgusting.
I love you to death. But when it comes to you yelling at an infant and telling this infant that they're stupid. I never said that. Okay, back it up.
Well, I guess you guys heard it here first. Sorry, Levi, our little child. Lily thinks you're stupid. I literally don't. Levi, no. And she wants all the endangered animals to die. Sorry, Levi. Welcome to the show.
Everyone, give it up for our king. Everyone goes like this. As soon as I said that, I was like, nope, that's not how I meant it.
Buckle up, Buttercup, because today's episode of Ninjas Are Butterflies is going to knock your socks off.
I think they're great. First of all, they're women, and I support that. Absolutely. Absolutely. And their fit? Fantastic.
Absolutely not.
doing his uh big spell but then it shows just in different languages how they translate this is In Japan.
Hey, good job, Josh. Who did that? Who originated that? Do you know? Chimpanzees? No. You don't know that? No. Well, you'll never know.
We got a lot to dive into today. Hey, listen. Get your goggles on. Get your stretches in because we're Michael Phelps in it. We're diving in. Check out our cups. Yeah, I got mine on my desk over there. We got some stuff sent to us from Josh Sweat. That's really from the White House.
He works in the White House. You can't do anything like that without working at the White House. I got an Air Force One. Show off your Camp David, Yeti. This is sick.
Pretty cool gifts.
Cool gifts.
We got some socks. We got some cryptid socks. And this makes you officially the new president, I think. Look at that.
He's like, maybe this is what Nicolas Cage will do to visit me finally.
No, it's a blackout curtain. I just imagine him just standing underneath the curtain. pretty close to the wall. Looks like he's playing hide and seek. You obviously see the outline of him and he's just staring at it in the dark.
We the people. That's hilarious.
Hey, thanks for doing that, Tron. Yeah, thanks, man.
Yeah, as of yesterday.
I read through them all last night. That's awesome. Quick breeze.
You should just upload them to ChatGBT and say, give me the synopsis. I literally asked ChatGBT last night. I said, you know the files are dropped, right? And they said yes. And I said, okay. can you read all of it? And she says, yeah, I did. And I said, okay, did the CIA do it? And they're like, well, there's just not enough to point. And I'm like, okay, whatever.
That is dope.
Yeah, yeah.
So what did you think? It was terrifying. Was it?
Was it frilly, like fully red? Oh, yeah. Photo? It was frilly red.
You want to take a lap? Yeah. You want to take a lap, Will? Get out of here.
We have to.
And I tried to take a picture of my iPhone and it did not take at all. I see a lot of people taking photos of the moon and uploading them like to Facebook and stuff.
That literally looks like a NASA picture of a galaxy or something.
Dude, for real. Was it bright or was it kind of like mesh? That's how I could find it at first. That's kind of scary. It was very scary. Imagine seeing those in ancient times. Not knowing that Blood Moons are happening.
thought that was incredible and face swap harry potter into every person in the intro asian harry potter i would just look like moaning myrtle dude if there was like a magical but it was like based in like japan or china or something like that it was like a wizard place but it was all japan or like chinese culture that would be honestly pretty cool that'd be sick every time i hear lord voldemort say that don't like when you say a spell you have to like pronounce it perfectly
Yeah, it was creepy. I wonder how you could fake that like with kids or something. Like, you know how they do like New Year's Eve, like they do it at like at seven and they go to bed. Yeah. It's like, I want to see the blood moons. Like, did you bring it?
A red lens.
Yeah, I can see that. So who dropped these? NASA.
And are they asking questions about it? I don't know. People are just pointing it out then. It wasn't like, look what we found.
Yeah. Even on the actual thing, you can see that it's like a circular, like it dims as it goes down to the bottom. That is wild. Dude, that's a scary thing. Just seeing something like that and not seeing wings or propellers or anything like that. Especially if it's silent. I don't know if those things are silent.
Which isn't Elon doing something in 2026 with Mars? Are they doing their first actual landing there? I don't know what it was. That guy is busy. Crazy. He saved the astronauts. He did.
Sounds like it.
Maybe it was too expensive or something. I don't know, but did you hear that they're not even getting overtime pay?
They're getting extended business trip pay. They're not getting overtime pay.
No, no. Like they are literally getting just what they like, what the verbiage was, what a regular employee would get for an extended business vacation. Bro. Like they were prisoners up there. They had no choice. Like almost 10 months longer than they should have been up there.
Ten months in space, though? Stranded? I don't think that's... I mean, even on the worst day, that's not even like... That's not a plan B. I would instantly freak out.
Yeah. So that's how that spell is supposed to be pronounced, which is the funniest thing to me. It's like, I mean, anybody else trying to pull off that, you'd have to say it like that.
Yeah.
It's like three body problem.
It's crazy. I mean, they've done Mars simulation. They had those people in there for a year, that Mars simulator on Earth. Yeah. And I don't know, man.
I have no idea. We found the ace. It's the most, I mean, I don't know. It's the most, it's the planet.
Yeah, I could not think of the word. But do you see those astronauts land in the ocean?
Dude, it looks AI. It's so pretty. They have, like, parachutes in the middle of this blue clear ocean. They land in this little capsule. Three big parachutes fall into the water. And you see these boats racing to go get them. And then, literally, they have a drone footage. A pod of dolphins come up to the capsule and start swimming around.
And then, yeah, SpaceX says... They're killing them!
Sue or whoever the lady astronaut jumps out just starts eating the dolphins. She's so hungry.
That would be good.
Do our, yeah, our dolphins, the pods. We can call it a pod.
You are the president now. This is really cool. I know. What's your first act as president?
Yeah, and get Jeff Probst from Survivor just to stand out there and just motivate everyone.
But then you're sending all of our fit people to Canada, right? Or vice versa. They'll come back. But on the other side of the wall... It's just an easy slope with a bunch of snacks on it.
Kind of genius, but also terrifying, dude. A dark factory. Dude, imagine we're just walking in there. Pitch dark and you just hear all the noises. Yeah. That's scary. Right? I forget if this has audio. I guess it depends on what they're making in the factory.
What if it's like just a bunch of... Look at your... Like Bop-Its. Bop-It.
Dude, why hasn't Bop-It become a horror movie yet? I guess there's no audio.
That's all we care about at the end of the day. That looks cool. We are just in such a weird time. I saw somebody explaining on TikTok recently about just the idea of living in a very futuristic world, but yet we're dealing with people who can't afford groceries. Mm-hmm.
And it's just like all these different struggles. But yet everyone's got these wonderful VR machines and consoles and TVs and driving car. Like, it's weird. We are in the future, but we're just people are not surviving on it.
Ridiculous. I thought when I heard that, I'm like, can we not get more creative? That sounds ridiculous.
She can't pronounce her D's. No, it's crazy. It really is kind of bonkers just how it is all for show. I mean, have you heard of a Zoom call? Can we not do these conferences over Zoom? I mean, it's kind of insane.
It's not our fault. We can't do anything about it. Quit putting the responsibility on us.
Yeah.
No, no.
Hey, it's for the environment. Hey, I appreciate it, man.
150 miles a gallon.
150 miles a gallon. That's insane. That's not true.
Them just running into mathematical problems. Instead of the Chamber of Secrets, you don't have to speak Parseltongue. You just have to figure out a multiplication table thing.
15 minutes of silence is what they were doing at that moment.
To disperse the crowds. And the government's denying it. But look at the video I just sent you. Immediately. There's no way you could even orchestrate this. It's like... They pointed it down the center of the street because both of them, literally like the Red Sea, they just split.
Look how they scatter. They immediately just go out of the road.
That's a whistle. You can't hear it. That's the thing. I don't think it picks up on the phone.
People's teeth will fall out? You really don't remember that?
You can't think, you can't process, it's just chaos. And they say this thing gets up to 160 decibels, which is like standing right next to a rocket launch. Oh my gosh. You don't know what you're hearing. You just know that it's causing so much pain. You can't help it. You can't run from it. And the government people are saying they didn't do it. They're denying that they even did it.
And it's like, you can't. That's evidence. Something happened. If it wasn't the government, figure out what it was.
Yeah. Right? So...
Nope. They were out there because the building fell. Why are you laughing? Maybe. So that destroyed the building? Shut up. No.
So, yeah, that was scary. I mean, we definitely have that weapon in America.
We've never seen it be used, though, right? Not that we're aware of. I mean, that definitely seems like the more appropriate riot type of thing instead of tear gas. I mean, I don't know what else we do now besides guns.
Yeah, Leave the World Behind.
It was just in the sky. The kid's teeth started falling out.
I mean, I feel like that's the whole point, right? I mean, we look at so many movies that have all this AI generation and people taking over the astro viewing, whatever all that is. It's just all right in front of our face. It's almost like they have to do it. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird, man. Hey, man. I don't get it. But speaking of, like, you said Black Mirror. Black Mirror.
Welcome back to telepathy tapes secondhand news.
Do you see Black Mirror's coming out with a new season?
Let's talk shows real quick. You guys watch Adolescence on Netflix.
Well, let's talk about it right now.
Insane. It's on Netflix. Four-part series. Four episodes, I mean.
Of course he is. Look at him. Yeah. He's from Missouri. Springfield. Beautiful. He's a beautiful man.
It literally is. Every episode is one shot.
They've done it a couple times. Yeah. Yeah. They definitely hit on that whole toxic masculinity culture type of stuff.
The real stuff, like the real disgusting things. Yeah.
It teaches you a lot of sympathy to have for like, I mean, what would you do if you were the parent in this situation type of stuff? It's gut-wrenching, man. That dad deserves an Emmy, though. I love him, dude.
Also, listening to his voice the whole time was great. He's got such a great accent.
yeah it's tough man as a parent as a parent like we're it's so easy to keep your kid happy let them do what they want go to the room just stay in there as long as they're happy they're safe whatever it's like no you're they've lost connection you've got to keep that connection and that's such a the internet is a very dangerous place especially for children it's not monitored have you guys seen like the study on cocomelon have we talked about that
It's like going to an AA for kids. Like, hi, my name's Andy. I'm addicted to Cocomelon.
I think it was, oh, which one was it? Fancy Nancy, I think, is a show on Disney that Demi used to watch. And she had attitude, dude, on this show. And we just started seeing little tiny things that would be almost copying on the show. And I was just like, yeah, we're done with it. And all you have to do is just go, parents, all you have to do... Log in on your computer. Go to your stream site.
You can literally say, don't suggest this show anymore. I've done that. We're like, weird. I can't find it. Let's watch something else. We don't need to have a reason for everything. It's like, you know as a parent what you're supposed to do. And that show... Shows you some things are out of your control. Some things, no matter what, are out of your control.
Gave me a lot of sympathy for, like, you think about parents who are parents of school shooters and stuff. I know. How much guilt they must carry.
Because they keep listing all the stuff that maybe they did do wrong. It's like, okay, you know what I mean? Maybe it's all right to say we could have done a little bit better, but we can't put the blame for everything on us. Yeah, it's super tough, man.
You can say no to your kids and still love them. Also let your kids be bored. Yeah, just let them be bored. Figure it out.
Send them outside. I used to say all the time, and Kelsey maybe stopped saying it because it kind of sounded mean, but I would just be like, only boring people get bored. So, figure it out. So, you know, like, figure it out. Do something. You have a million things.
And also cinematically, it's phenomenal.
The shots. The planning of how to move the camera and stuff.
But the thing is, they did long pauses. There was a lot of like, you could tell they probably were doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes, but there would be times where it'd be stuck on one dude for a whole minute, two minutes of just staring quiet. And you're like, it really made you feel like you're a part of this scene. And it made you feel gross.
Also, the leader at the school, the old lady, For some reason, she's the most convincing character in the whole movie to me. I'm like, I've met this lady. Her walk, her looks, the way she talked to everybody, it was crazy.
Hey, I mean, not maybe not.
Hey, speaking of ads and not going anywhere, Josh, have you heard about this? What? Apparently, there's a company out here in Central Florida that creates water-based ink t-shirts. What? Yeah. People are saying people are ordering them all across the country, sometimes even out of this country in Canada and places. Listen, they're grabbing these t-shirts.
They're being shipped to them mysteriously quick. They order them one day, and then three days later, they're shipping to them. 72 hours? 72 hours, Josh. Are you kidding me? And it doesn't stop there. When people feel these shirts, not only when they have a, maybe say they're in maybe a depressive state or maybe rough or dealing with anxiety, as soon as they put on these shirts, it all goes away.
You're telling me Sunday Cool t-shirts get rid of depression? I don't even think I told you the name of Sunday Cool, but yeah, it is Sunday Cool. I don't know how you knew that, Josh. But I'm telling you right now, if you go to sundaycool.com, try it out. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. Go to sundaycool.com. Okay. Order custom shirts for your group, your church, whatever.
Okay. Your business. Go there, order these, and I promise you, you will see a change.
You have Charlie bit my finger. You have Charlie that kills people.
Oh, Malk was good. Yeah. Pour me a glass of Malk. Dude, what is he doing now? It's crazy how like you could literally be on top of YouTube and then suddenly like no one knows anything. Like you're not even putting anything out. It's wild.
I remember reading about, do you remember like the first interaction you had with YouTube? No, I really, I literally remember it. Uh, we had like a, I was in Oregon and we had a classic on just pop culture stuff and we had to read like a news thing every week. And that was it. It was 2007. Like they're like this big, you know, website, YouTube and a bunch of videos and stuff.
I remember specifically reading it. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So strange.
No. Like that was the first time I ever had heard about it. When did it come out? Like I think it was 2007, 2006 or something like that. Oh wow. Yeah.
I think 43 now. I think 43. Oh, 43. Questions corner, questions corner, questions corner with Lily.
Oh, love Alan. I wouldn't classify Alan as mysterious. He's probably the most least mysterious guy in the world.
That'd be crazy. That's a great answer. Oh, man. I think I would take my person to the sphere in Las Vegas.
No, just to stand outside of it. I think just to really just look at it. Don't think the whole world is like that. Yeah. It's like, it's not. It's just Vegas. What's a Vegas? And then I would probably show him a bop it. Probably.
That's a good answer.
Imagine putting a VR headset on one of those guys back in the day.
That movie was so good. Yeah. Did you ever see that? No, I don't think so. Martin Lawrence, he falls into a pond and then ends up back in the Middle Ages and just becomes this great hero in their time. It's just the funniest thing.
I think we had a launch yesterday, by the way.
Yeah, take them for a ride.
In a tunnel?
Also, I have the world record for the other type of pie. What's your pie of choice? That's tough, isn't it?
It's the middle of summer. How is this possible? What witchcraft is this? Dude, Lily would be burned to the stake immediately. He'd be like, trying to take her. Like, you can't do that, guy.
built around it i don't know i'm like build build the tunnel and then drop it down that makes sense to me but i can't understand it's so weird i don't get it do you get it no because this baffles me because i think i've seen videos how they do it and then all the comments are like still doesn't make sense still don't get it they might have to assemble it all in the sky not in the land we have to do it in the air guys that's the only way tunnels work
Peanut butter. Peanut butter pie? What about with a crust on top and stuff? A crust of peanut butter pie. Put a crust on that thing. It's fine. Probably an apple, blueberry. I love a blueberry pie. Apple and peach. Apple and peach?
Do we have any underground, like, water tunnels in America? In New York. It goes under the Hudson. Oh, yeah. I think we talked about that, right? Yeah.
No, this one you drive through.
I don't know. Yeah, the thing we've talked about, like, there was one. Better hold your breath. There's that big underground tunnel.
What did you say? Well, by the time this comes out, Severance was last week, the finale. So this Friday, I can't wait for that. But another show on Apple TV is dropping every Friday, and it's called Dope Thief. There's two episodes out right now.
Three, technically. But, dude, that one's crazy because it's just two guys who live in Philadelphia who go and pretend to be DEA agents. go into these meth houses, handcuff these people, steal the drugs and money, and then leave.
And it goes horribly wrong. I can imagine. Talk about high intensity. It's pretty brutal. And I also told Josh about a Netflix movie called Calibre. C-A-L-I-B-R-E. That's a movie that you have to watch. I literally, after the movie, it was like midnight, and I had 20 minutes of me trying to do slow breaths so my heart rate could go down so I could fall asleep.
Once you find something good, it's good.
I'll do it today. I don't know what's about to happen. Oh, cool.
A lot of people don't know about McDonald's.
I didn't know. I haven't gotten that.
An apple and peach one?
Lily, we got to get you in horror movies quick. I was so drawn out. That really scared me because I was slow on the video. I was like three seconds behind. So I was like, what's going to happen?
Fried apples from Cracker Barrel are insane.
I'm like, thanks, bro. Did you get punched in the face multiple times? No. I feel great today. There was no joke. There was one time I was walking to a gas station at work and I literally walk up and I was like, hey, how you doing? She's like, well, I feel just how you look. And I'm like... I'm like, I've, I thought I, I mean, I feel great.
I mean, and I walked out, it was that quick of an interaction. Cause I, I was picking up newspaper. I used to do that gig where I just picked up the old newspapers or gas stations. So it was just quickly, Hey, how you doing? I'm doing just about, I'm feeling just about as good as you feel. And it's like, She said how you look? I feel how you look? Yeah, I feel just about as good as you look.
It's crazy. That sounds like a derogatory term. Dude, these fried apples at Cracker Barrel. We got a couple fried apples at the Cracker Barrel. We got to go take care of them.
No, she was in a bad mood. She had an attitude and she was one of those things where it was just a bad day. It was also when Andy used to have this hunchback.
That was before.
Whatever I could to get by. That's about it.
They ask me, they're like, hey, we have a guy that literally just goes to all the gas stations, to the Walmarts, to all the stores in town. There's like 90 stops. And there's every Friday, we just need someone to go pick up the extra newspapers that didn't get sold. So that way the stores would get credit back to the ones they didn't sell.
And so I would have to keep markers and go back, count all the newspapers, and I would just have this big 15-passenger van with no seats in it and just throw piles of newspapers into the back of this thing and unload it and do that every Friday.
90 different places.
No, I lied about being an optician. I literally, like I was 18, I needed a job so bad. And I literally walked up down Main Street in Joplin. I stopped at like Sherman Williams, every store, all these places, asking for an application, filled it out. The first place that I stopped was the only person that called me back. And I went back and they're like, so have you been an optician before?
And I said, no. Yeah, just I've dabbled and I've been like, cool. If you start on Monday, you'll be doing this, this, this all weekend. How to become an optician, how to how to how to work a lensometer, all this stuff. And I was pretty good at it for a while.
How many car wrecks?
If you go, if you look up, there's an eyeglass in Longview, Texas. If you look up eyeglass world in Longview, Texas and go to the Google reviews guarantee, I'll have like 10 shout outs on and using they'll drop my name. I guarantee it. Andy, I can see bro.
Dude, I'm obsessed. He's the dude that talked about the, uh, astrology, right? That the quote, no, that's JP Morgan. Got it.
You've made that? That's awesome.
Oh, I was going to say.
Pies are hard, dude.
Actually quite soft. So stupid.
They don't know. There's a lot of people that don't know about McDonald's. Dude, a lot of people are sleeping on McDonald's. That's true, dude.
Yeah, what's up with that?
Got to listen to the money.
You guys were out on the run.
Champagne bottles.
The thing is, if Bill Gates wanted us gone, the thing is, he could make it happen so quickly. Yeah, probably. He really could. It's so scary. Speaking of graphs, have you seen those graphs that have nothing to do with each other, but yet they follow the same line? There's a guy I follow on TikTok where he's just like...
The number of people that used this medication lines up perfectly with, you know, like the amount of times an alligator had a swallowed child or something like whatever. But it's just they find statistics and they find graphs that have the exact same lineup. And they're like, maybe there's a correlation. That's so funny.
We'll create this world. You listen to it. You'll be fed. You'll have a place to live. It's fine. Just don't question it. Just stick to our rhythm. Put your kids in this school. Yeah. Send them to that school. Do this. And it's just they want that to be a repeatable pattern. They want it to be a predictable thing. Yeah. And they just don't want to have to worry about it. It's what we use today.
But that's not what humans are ever going to do. No.
It's almost like something inherently inside of us wants to be creative. Feeding their economy. Yeah. And like there's something inside of us that wants to fight against that.
And it's literally like what we've been created to do and greed and power, love for that stuff is literally forcing us to, one, I guess that's good because we're recognizing and hopefully we recognize and say, all right, I'm going to break out of this mold. I'm going to not going to just stick to this because this is not what I've been created to do. I want to chase my own dreams.
I want to do what I want to do.
And that's why we see so many leaders or politicians or whatever, they literally just get up to that point, and they want to do good. They have that in their heart, but they realize that that game is rigged. And so you have to play ball. Or you're gone.
And so it's like, okay, so I can, I'll have a little win here for me. Maybe I'm not doing what I really need to do, but it's for the bigger thing. It's for the future. It's for, you know, whatever.
Yeah. It's all about maintaining power.
Yeah, dude, it's literally the definition of evil.
Yeah. The Sermon on the Mount says you cannot serve two masters. You cannot love God and love money. It's like... Man, that hits you right there. Jesus knows how important money is and how it can really distort everything that we do.
Yeah. I'm not addicted to money, but I do want it and need it every moment of my life. I wouldn't say I love money, but I would like more. I would literally sacrifice anyone in my life to have more money. To have 10 bucks in my pocket right now.
What year is it, officer?
Ivan the Terrible, yeah.
Have we not talked about him? I can't remember. We talked about Vlad the Impaler. Oh, no. I just saw Ivan the Terrible, his son. Yeah, that painting. The painting is heartbreaking. I'm Googling. Yeah, Ivan the Terrible painting.
Ruled.
Golly, dude.
Cool.
Cool.
So whatever the Tsar said, they did. They did whatever they wanted to.
I mean, everyone had one back then.
Did he really?
He didn't say anything about your driving or anything like that? No. Because I'm wondering like if he saw and then he pulled up and then he ran the plates and then that's when he found out.
Now, is there evidence that this library existed or, like, was it written down, like, hey, there's this library, like...
Oh, yeah. You get like cheap, cheap fries, cheap drink every time. Point system's pretty dope.
Still.
I wonder if Putin knows. Putin has to know. I don't know. He's got to know.
I mean, yeah. That's the thing. It's such a vast amount of knowledge that you have. Or just history. Things that may confirm more. I mean, who knows? They could be anything.
I know. Dude.
Was it more than what they say?
that's like because it's how can you have so much i mean i don't want to say power knowledge seems like too lack of like it's just such an intense form of like knowledge in one area like so much of it yeah And for it to be just like the burning of Alexandria, it's like, that's so sad. Like, that's crazy to me.
I don't know.
I mean, we talked about like, they're like the federal employees, you know, how they have that huge tunnel underground. Yeah. And like, just that it's literally holding paper documents and stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, back then they definitely had a lot more pull, right?
So they could say whatever they wanted and it would happen. Yeah, man. That's such a crazy thing. You think about Atlantis, we talk about Doggerland. That stuff is totally possible. Yeah. And the only way we can know is possibly through this literature.
That sounds like more sense. He's more reasonable than that. I get that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Not so great.
Believe it or not, you know, depending on his name, I know you guys may think, but actually he was a bad guy. He was not nice. Yeah. Contrary to popular belief.
That's a great sign. Yep. Yep. What is the trifecta for serial killers?
Mother issues.
Oh, yeah. That, bedwetting into late age, and then cruelty to animals. So if you guys are doing the checklist at home, you're like, oh, no, I'm in trouble.
Every week, it's my secret library.
It's a Ninjas and Butterflies book club.
Because you got pulled over the day before, right?
Yeah.
Yeah. You left a review. Yeah, of course. Oh, nice. I created Gmail accounts for all of them. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of reviews, there he is. I literally did that after I left.
Yeah, they would get rewards or shout outs or something if anyone ever dropped a name. So after I left, I just made sure to drop everyone's name.
Yeah, Skunk Ape Story. There's a new UFO movie coming out that's crazy big.
Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yes.
Dolphins are aliens. Yeah, are we sticking with that? Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, duh. I was thinking something else. I was thinking something completely different.
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Did you see that guy? Go get him. I thought you meant him.
You have, like, so many where you go like this. I make so many faces. You really don't.
And girls plug ears.
Whoa. You're suspended. And he didn't give you a ticket.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's great, dude. The thing is you can't, you shouldn't be too embarrassed because a thousand, I mean, sorry. A thousand dollars.
But the state of Florida, you can't go anywhere without tolls. And they do that because of the tourism.
But I would tell Josh, we should have some, as a Florida resident, you should have a discount on tolls. Like it should automatically.
Yeah, it really does sound good. This is my little Felony. PH.
All right, cool. Should we even do a song at this point? I don't know.
Good for him, dude.
He's dead though, huh?
same same you don't work here get that to me get that to me cory lynn's get him out of here all right um can i play you an audio real quick it doesn't work good this is uh this is something i just heard really quickly and i thought it would be funny but it's a shot of harry potter it's uh lord voldemort he who must not be named and he's uh
Think about it for a second. Yes! Okay. What? Why would you say that, Will?
Watch the footage. Yes. Yeah. Welcome back. All right. Look, you just said nuns are obnoxious. You actually did. Can you give one reason why they're obnoxious? Give one reason why they're obnoxious.
Help is on the way, dear.
See what I did there? See what I did, kid? Hey, old.
The sun is up, the skies are blue, the flowers bloom with drops of dew. Gentle breeze, the trees awake, the world is fresh, no time to waste.
Yes, we do. I love you. Hold me through. I said we love you. Butterflies every day. I'll see you later this way at
It's all right.
Some unexpected turns, but we got there. I messed up a little here, messed up a little there, meshed it a little together, and... Yes, I thought it is okay.
But...
Thank you.
It doesn't matter. Welcome to the show.
Yeah.
Do you do karaoke? Yes, I do, Dave.
Do you do karaoke? Yes, I do, Dave.
Sony's a corporation, you know, suffered significant damage. There were threats against its employees.
Sony's a corporation, you know, suffered significant damage. There were threats against its employees.
We cannot have a society in which some dictator someplace can start imposing censorship here in the United States. Imagine what they start doing when they see a documentary that they don't like or news reports that they don't like.
We cannot have a society in which some dictator someplace can start imposing censorship here in the United States. Imagine what they start doing when they see a documentary that they don't like or news reports that they don't like.
Do you do karaoke? Yes, I do, Dave.
Sony's a corporation, you know, suffered significant damage. There were threats against its employees.
We cannot have a society in which some dictator someplace can start imposing censorship here in the United States. Imagine what they start doing when they see a documentary that they don't like or news reports that they don't like.
You go past five and I'm getting a headache.
You go past five and I'm getting a headache.
Awesome. And yeah, we ran across this article from you talking about architecture and microservices and stuff, which is funny because I think on JavaScript Jabber, we did an episode on micro front ends about three weeks ago. We recorded it anyway. We're a little more ahead on that, so it's probably going to come out in a few weeks.
Awesome. And yeah, we ran across this article from you talking about architecture and microservices and stuff, which is funny because I think on JavaScript Jabber, we did an episode on micro front ends about three weeks ago. We recorded it anyway. We're a little more ahead on that, so it's probably going to come out in a few weeks.
But it's just interesting because people are talking about this and how to break up application logic and stuff like that. And of course, in Rails, we all talk about the beautiful monolith and you know, how that all kind of comes together to put it all in one app. And so yeah, I'm kind of interested because I don't know that I necessarily got the breakdown on where you come down on this.
But it's just interesting because people are talking about this and how to break up application logic and stuff like that. And of course, in Rails, we all talk about the beautiful monolith and you know, how that all kind of comes together to put it all in one app. And so yeah, I'm kind of interested because I don't know that I necessarily got the breakdown on where you come down on this.
And I remember early in my career, like SOA, service oriented architecture was a big thing. And I think I gave a whole bunch of talks and gave a whole bunch of bad advice, because it was the cool thing to do. And I was really in love with the idea. But you know, been built a few apps and took it way too far. And it was like, you know, a lot of this stuff really does belong in its own app.
And I remember early in my career, like SOA, service oriented architecture was a big thing. And I think I gave a whole bunch of talks and gave a whole bunch of bad advice, because it was the cool thing to do. And I was really in love with the idea. But you know, been built a few apps and took it way too far. And it was like, you know, a lot of this stuff really does belong in its own app.
Yeah, I want to move us back toward microservices here for a minute because I just remember the nightmares I went through moving stuff to microservices back in the day. And I can kind of imagine scenarios that are somewhat obvious, right? I mean, you know, you can move your
Yeah, I want to move us back toward microservices here for a minute because I just remember the nightmares I went through moving stuff to microservices back in the day. And I can kind of imagine scenarios that are somewhat obvious, right? I mean, you know, you can move your
authorization right over to microservices and then you just you know maybe do some permissions checks or you know authority checks validate that somebody's actually who they say they are against their identity on the machine or on the other service right and so that's kind of a
authorization right over to microservices and then you just you know maybe do some permissions checks or you know authority checks validate that somebody's actually who they say they are against their identity on the machine or on the other service right and so that's kind of a
an obvious one to me, but I remember we tried to split our app up into services and things were pretty tightly coupled together. It's because the concerns blended from one thing to the next, from one step to the next or stage to the next as things move through the system. And so there really wasn't a clear cut, a clear place to cut.
an obvious one to me, but I remember we tried to split our app up into services and things were pretty tightly coupled together. It's because the concerns blended from one thing to the next, from one step to the next or stage to the next as things move through the system. And so there really wasn't a clear cut, a clear place to cut.
And so when we picked one, because it's like, oh, well, this is stage one and this is stage two. So we're just going to cut it between stage one and stage two. Well, it turned out that stage one and stage two still have a lot in common. And so, you know, there's not that clear delineation. And so it gave us problems.
And so when we picked one, because it's like, oh, well, this is stage one and this is stage two. So we're just going to cut it between stage one and stage two. Well, it turned out that stage one and stage two still have a lot in common. And so, you know, there's not that clear delineation. And so it gave us problems.
And, you know, I'm thinking about some of the apps that I'm working on now, and a lot of them have that same problem. And that's why this monolith idea works really nicely, right, is because all of those concerns that kind of span the entire app are all in there. So how do you start to really think about, okay, you know, this is a good option for microservice.
And, you know, I'm thinking about some of the apps that I'm working on now, and a lot of them have that same problem. And that's why this monolith idea works really nicely, right, is because all of those concerns that kind of span the entire app are all in there. So how do you start to really think about, okay, you know, this is a good option for microservice.
And this maybe does belong in a monolith.
And this maybe does belong in a monolith.
And then some of this stuff, it started, okay, some of this stuff belongs in workers and some of this stuff actually, you know, may belong in its own service, you know, microservice. And so, you know, I kind of have gone back and forth as to how much you want to peel off into different parts and,
And then some of this stuff, it started, okay, some of this stuff belongs in workers and some of this stuff actually, you know, may belong in its own service, you know, microservice. And so, you know, I kind of have gone back and forth as to how much you want to peel off into different parts and,
And so I'm kind of curious where you come down as far as, okay, what do I break off into microservices? What part do I keep in the monolith? What part do I, you know, and how do I break that up? And then I also saw some stuff about containerization. So we can, I guess, dive into that next. But yeah, how do microservices kind of fit into Ruby these days?
And so I'm kind of curious where you come down as far as, okay, what do I break off into microservices? What part do I keep in the monolith? What part do I, you know, and how do I break that up? And then I also saw some stuff about containerization. So we can, I guess, dive into that next. But yeah, how do microservices kind of fit into Ruby these days?
I guess the other end of that, right, is how big does it have to be to warrant putting it into a microservice as opposed to putting it into a delayed job sidekick rescue worker or just sticking it in like lib or app services or whatever as just a library that just does a thing, right? And then just gets called out somewhere.
I guess the other end of that, right, is how big does it have to be to warrant putting it into a microservice as opposed to putting it into a delayed job sidekick rescue worker or just sticking it in like lib or app services or whatever as just a library that just does a thing, right? And then just gets called out somewhere.
Yeah, that's funny because when I was a kid, we had two dogs. We had a Cocker Spaniel and you know, so she was kind of a little dog and then we had a miniature Chihuahua and she was a littler dog, a much littler dog. She weighed about a pound and a half. Oh, wow. Yeah. She was tiny. And we, the Cocker Spaniel couldn't get out of the backyard.
Yeah, that's funny because when I was a kid, we had two dogs. We had a Cocker Spaniel and you know, so she was kind of a little dog and then we had a miniature Chihuahua and she was a littler dog, a much littler dog. She weighed about a pound and a half. Oh, wow. Yeah. She was tiny. And we, the Cocker Spaniel couldn't get out of the backyard.
Of course, now we both show up, and Luke and John can't make it, so... One of these days. We also have a special guest, and that's Darren Bromer. Did I say that right, Darren?
Of course, now we both show up, and Luke and John can't make it, so... One of these days. We also have a special guest, and that's Darren Bromer. Did I say that right, Darren?
but she could dig holes deep enough for the Chihuahua to get out of the backyard. And there was nothing we could do to stop it. And so, and that, I guess taking that metaphor to the next level, that's the other thing that you find is if everybody, if you share the backyard, somebody is going to find a way to dig a hole to let people out. That's a great point.
but she could dig holes deep enough for the Chihuahua to get out of the backyard. And there was nothing we could do to stop it. And so, and that, I guess taking that metaphor to the next level, that's the other thing that you find is if everybody, if you share the backyard, somebody is going to find a way to dig a hole to let people out. That's a great point.
Anyway, yeah, it's definitely interesting to think about, but... At the end of the day, I mean, we're just trying to solve problems, right? And it's interesting too, because I keep having the conversation with my coworkers and it's, you know, I shouldn't suggest this because this is work that I don't want to have to do, but this is probably the right solution to this problem.
Anyway, yeah, it's definitely interesting to think about, but... At the end of the day, I mean, we're just trying to solve problems, right? And it's interesting too, because I keep having the conversation with my coworkers and it's, you know, I shouldn't suggest this because this is work that I don't want to have to do, but this is probably the right solution to this problem.
And, you know, that's what we're in it for, right? We're in it to solve these problems, right? And so sometimes it's going to be microservices is, you know, a terrific way to solve the problem. And sometimes it's going to be, hey, you know, we need to keep all this stuff together so that it kind of all moves and works together in this way.
And, you know, that's what we're in it for, right? We're in it to solve these problems, right? And so sometimes it's going to be microservices is, you know, a terrific way to solve the problem. And sometimes it's going to be, hey, you know, we need to keep all this stuff together so that it kind of all moves and works together in this way.
And sometimes we're going to be in a situation where we just have to make a judgment call. And so I like that that's where this conversation has gone, where it's, hey, look, these are some of the trade-offs that come in this way or that way. And these are some of the considerations you're going to want to make in.
And sometimes we're going to be in a situation where we just have to make a judgment call. And so I like that that's where this conversation has gone, where it's, hey, look, these are some of the trade-offs that come in this way or that way. And these are some of the considerations you're going to want to make in.
I should point out, so the app that I work on primarily these days for my full-time job, it was written to replace another app that was written in another framework in another language. And essentially, it was written very quickly by some very talented engineers, but it was written very quickly and they threw a lot of best practices out the window just to get it out the door.
I should point out, so the app that I work on primarily these days for my full-time job, it was written to replace another app that was written in another framework in another language. And essentially, it was written very quickly by some very talented engineers, but it was written very quickly and they threw a lot of best practices out the window just to get it out the door.
And so we're dealing with the fallout of that stuff right now, right? Because we're now in the second year, we're coming back around to essentially another iteration of what this thing does. And so we're coming into, okay, we've got to deal with this, and we've got to deal with this, and we've got to deal with that, and we've got to deal with these other things.
And so we're dealing with the fallout of that stuff right now, right? Because we're now in the second year, we're coming back around to essentially another iteration of what this thing does. And so we're coming into, okay, we've got to deal with this, and we've got to deal with this, and we've got to deal with that, and we've got to deal with these other things.
And it's, yeah, you know what Dave's saying, it's just not pretty. And it really does, in a lot of cases, come down to your discipline and your willingness to look at these problems and identify where these things are going to come up.
And it's, yeah, you know what Dave's saying, it's just not pretty. And it really does, in a lot of cases, come down to your discipline and your willingness to look at these problems and identify where these things are going to come up.
And so whether or not you use one architecture or the other, whether or not you make these decisions one way or the other, what it really comes down to is your discipline in implementing them and approaching these problems in a way that is going to solve the problem in the long term. And Rails does a lot of things that makes it really easy for you to approach this from the majestic monolith.
And so whether or not you use one architecture or the other, whether or not you make these decisions one way or the other, what it really comes down to is your discipline in implementing them and approaching these problems in a way that is going to solve the problem in the long term. And Rails does a lot of things that makes it really easy for you to approach this from the majestic monolith.
I kept saying beautiful monolith at the beginning because I couldn't remember the word that DHH used in his blog article. And I have the article up now in front of me. So I'll put a link in the show notes. But, you know, and that's his approach. And so that's the approach that he takes from Rails. But as Darren pointed out, you know,
I kept saying beautiful monolith at the beginning because I couldn't remember the word that DHH used in his blog article. And I have the article up now in front of me. So I'll put a link in the show notes. But, you know, and that's his approach. And so that's the approach that he takes from Rails. But as Darren pointed out, you know,
There are a lot of things in there because it's built on rack that it does exceptionally well that allows you to break it out into services if you need to. And so because of that, it makes it really versatile in your approach. And so, you know, find the approach that works for you.
There are a lot of things in there because it's built on rack that it does exceptionally well that allows you to break it out into services if you need to. And so because of that, it makes it really versatile in your approach. And so, you know, find the approach that works for you.
And then just be disciplined in the way that you approach it so that it does the work that you need it to do to solve the problem that you need to solve. And that's like Darren said, this is the really great part is that we get to go in and we get to figure out the pieces to the puzzle. It's like playing a video game, except at the end of the day, it's not the prescribed path through the level.
And then just be disciplined in the way that you approach it so that it does the work that you need it to do to solve the problem that you need to solve. And that's like Darren said, this is the really great part is that we get to go in and we get to figure out the pieces to the puzzle. It's like playing a video game, except at the end of the day, it's not the prescribed path through the level.
It's the, hey, at the end of the day, we got the problem solved and we get to do some really cool stuff along the way to figure it out.
It's the, hey, at the end of the day, we got the problem solved and we get to do some really cool stuff along the way to figure it out.
Yeah. So real quick, I'm going to throw out a couple of resources and then we'll get to picks. One is you mentioned machine learning and AI. And I have to say, we have a machine learning podcast. You can go check it out at Adventures in Machine Learning. Just go to devchat.tv, click podcasts up at the top. And it's right there, Adventures in Machine Learning.
Yeah. So real quick, I'm going to throw out a couple of resources and then we'll get to picks. One is you mentioned machine learning and AI. And I have to say, we have a machine learning podcast. You can go check it out at Adventures in Machine Learning. Just go to devchat.tv, click podcasts up at the top. And it's right there, Adventures in Machine Learning.
Or you can find it in your favorite podcast app. Just do a search, Adventures in Machine Learning, you'll find it. It's got kind of a face and some artwork. Anyway, it looks really cool. And I'm very proud of it. And yeah, one of the hosts, he's a really good looking guy. And yeah, Miguel's pretty cool too.
Or you can find it in your favorite podcast app. Just do a search, Adventures in Machine Learning, you'll find it. It's got kind of a face and some artwork. Anyway, it looks really cool. And I'm very proud of it. And yeah, one of the hosts, he's a really good looking guy. And yeah, Miguel's pretty cool too.
The other one that I'm going to throw out there, and you know, because we're talking about discipline and practices and things like that. I had a really terrific conversation with Bob Martin about clean craftsmanship. And he talked about practices and Oh, man, I'm going to blow this so hard. Practices, there were three levels to it. The third one was ethics. Practicals, I think it was disciplines.
The other one that I'm going to throw out there, and you know, because we're talking about discipline and practices and things like that. I had a really terrific conversation with Bob Martin about clean craftsmanship. And he talked about practices and Oh, man, I'm going to blow this so hard. Practices, there were three levels to it. The third one was ethics. Practicals, I think it was disciplines.
Principles, was it principles? Anyway, go listen to it because he breaks it down. And the first level was, he talks about TDD, pairing, you know, those kinds of things where, you know, like you're talking about, the code reviews kind of falls under pairing, right? And then testing of some kind, right?
Principles, was it principles? Anyway, go listen to it because he breaks it down. And the first level was, he talks about TDD, pairing, you know, those kinds of things where, you know, like you're talking about, the code reviews kind of falls under pairing, right? And then testing of some kind, right?
under TDD, you know, and some of these other things where you're just doing these practices that get you to where you need to go. And then you have standards, right? That's what it was. It was standards. And so what are your code standards, right? That make the code the kind of quality that you have to do. And then the ethics were
under TDD, you know, and some of these other things where you're just doing these practices that get you to where you need to go. And then you have standards, right? That's what it was. It was standards. And so what are your code standards, right? That make the code the kind of quality that you have to do. And then the ethics were
you know, the kinds of things where it's, and he has the programmer's oath is what he calls it. And we kind of talked through that. We have another episode where we talked about that on the Clean Coders podcast. But he talks about, you know, hey, you know, am I making the code base better? Am I delivering for the company that's paying me for my time?
you know, the kinds of things where it's, and he has the programmer's oath is what he calls it. And we kind of talked through that. We have another episode where we talked about that on the Clean Coders podcast. But he talks about, you know, hey, you know, am I making the code base better? Am I delivering for the company that's paying me for my time?
Am I delivering code that meets the kind of standards? Am I improving my skills so that I can deliver for my team? And Things like that. Anyway, it was really, really interesting conversation. And that's the kind of thing that we really need to be talking about too within our teams and with the people that we work with.
Am I delivering code that meets the kind of standards? Am I improving my skills so that I can deliver for my team? And Things like that. Anyway, it was really, really interesting conversation. And that's the kind of thing that we really need to be talking about too within our teams and with the people that we work with.
Because at the end of the day, it's not just, hey, here's the technology and the technical approach that we use to solve the problem. But it's, yeah, what are we doing to make sure that it's the right solution to the right problem? What are we doing to make sure that the code meets the standards that we have for the kinds of solutions we deliver?
Because at the end of the day, it's not just, hey, here's the technology and the technical approach that we use to solve the problem. But it's, yeah, what are we doing to make sure that it's the right solution to the right problem? What are we doing to make sure that the code meets the standards that we have for the kinds of solutions we deliver?
And what kinds of things are we doing day to day in order to make sure that we are delivering for the company that we work for, delivering for the team we work with, delivering for the world at large, and things like that. So anyway, terrific conversation. I'll put both of those links in the show notes. And yeah, let's go ahead and do picks. I'm going to push it to Dave first.
And what kinds of things are we doing day to day in order to make sure that we are delivering for the company that we work for, delivering for the team we work with, delivering for the world at large, and things like that. So anyway, terrific conversation. I'll put both of those links in the show notes. And yeah, let's go ahead and do picks. I'm going to push it to Dave first.
Dave, do you have some picks for us?
Dave, do you have some picks for us?
Nice. Very cool. I'm gonna have to... Is that a punch card? It is.
Nice. Very cool. I'm gonna have to... Is that a punch card? It is.
Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. All right. I've got a couple of picks I'm going to throw out there. The first pick that I have is I've been using this tool. I'm really liking it. It's called ClickUp. Now, if you have used Notion, Notion.so, I've picked it on the show before. Notion is kind of an all-in-one, how do I put it? It's supposed to be kind of a wiki slash Trello slash to-do list slash.
Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. All right. I've got a couple of picks I'm going to throw out there. The first pick that I have is I've been using this tool. I'm really liking it. It's called ClickUp. Now, if you have used Notion, Notion.so, I've picked it on the show before. Notion is kind of an all-in-one, how do I put it? It's supposed to be kind of a wiki slash Trello slash to-do list slash.
Anyway, it does not have any kind of automation available. And it doesn't integrate with Zapier. And so I quit using it eventually because I just couldn't do with it what I wanted to, right? Well, ClickUp has all that stuff built in. And what it doesn't have built in, it actually integrates with Zapier. So I'm really, really loving this tool.
Anyway, it does not have any kind of automation available. And it doesn't integrate with Zapier. And so I quit using it eventually because I just couldn't do with it what I wanted to, right? Well, ClickUp has all that stuff built in. And what it doesn't have built in, it actually integrates with Zapier. So I'm really, really loving this tool.
And so I'm actually moving as many of the workflows for devchat.tv over to it as I can. A lot of the stuff's still on Trello. And that's where I wound up moving a lot of this stuff to. So it's going to take some time to move it over. But I am really, really looking forward to some of this stuff. I can actually include some of the other folks from devchat.tv on it.
And so I'm actually moving as many of the workflows for devchat.tv over to it as I can. A lot of the stuff's still on Trello. And that's where I wound up moving a lot of this stuff to. So it's going to take some time to move it over. But I am really, really looking forward to some of this stuff. I can actually include some of the other folks from devchat.tv on it.
And so I'm looking at instead of, for example, we have some automation that's built into Zapier that's supposed to like pick things up and send out a calendar invite and set up a Google Doc and do all this stuff. And I'm hoping that I can move all of that into ClickUp and then just invite our podcast guests as guests on the tasks. That's the only part of it I can't.
And so I'm looking at instead of, for example, we have some automation that's built into Zapier that's supposed to like pick things up and send out a calendar invite and set up a Google Doc and do all this stuff. And I'm hoping that I can move all of that into ClickUp and then just invite our podcast guests as guests on the tasks. That's the only part of it I can't.
guarantee will work because I haven't double checked on that. But for the hosts and everybody else, I can actually go in and do that. And I'm hoping to be able to automate all of that stuff so that then it comes back after the episode and says, because we manually have to follow up. Hey, can we get a description for the episode and a title for the episode? Because I'm not on all the shows.
guarantee will work because I haven't double checked on that. But for the hosts and everybody else, I can actually go in and do that. And I'm hoping to be able to automate all of that stuff so that then it comes back after the episode and says, because we manually have to follow up. Hey, can we get a description for the episode and a title for the episode? Because I'm not on all the shows.
And so I'm kind of the backup on the shows that I show up for. But if I'm sick or if I'm just not on the show like adventuresin.net, I'm practically useless on that show anyway, right? I can kind of make it up and go look up the terms I don't know, but realistically, right? If they're talking about like some deep library in C Sharp, it's like, okay, what is this thing, right?
And so I'm kind of the backup on the shows that I show up for. But if I'm sick or if I'm just not on the show like adventuresin.net, I'm practically useless on that show anyway, right? I can kind of make it up and go look up the terms I don't know, but realistically, right? If they're talking about like some deep library in C Sharp, it's like, okay, what is this thing, right?
And I have to go do some research. So that's what I'm looking at doing is just automating the crap out of that. And so I'm pretty excited about that and working through it. But if it lets me automate all of that stuff, I'm going to be one happy dude. And so I'm going to pick that. The other thing that I am also going to pick is dev influencers. So devinfluencers.com.
And I have to go do some research. So that's what I'm looking at doing is just automating the crap out of that. And so I'm pretty excited about that and working through it. But if it lets me automate all of that stuff, I'm going to be one happy dude. And so I'm going to pick that. The other thing that I am also going to pick is dev influencers. So devinfluencers.com.
You've heard me talk about dev heroes. That's now dev influencers. So if you're looking at kind of that next stage, or if you're in a position like Darren, where you're a developer evangelist, or you're trying to gain some kind of audience, where you're trying to get noticed. I'm putting together basically a coaching program. And I currently have five people in there.
You've heard me talk about dev heroes. That's now dev influencers. So if you're looking at kind of that next stage, or if you're in a position like Darren, where you're a developer evangelist, or you're trying to gain some kind of audience, where you're trying to get noticed. I'm putting together basically a coaching program. And I currently have five people in there.
where I'm coaching them every week on, okay, here's how you build an audience. I'm focused on podcasting. So here's how you build an audience. Here's how you build your podcast. Here's how you get people to listen to it. Here's how you grow it. And then from there, it's here's how you build it into... Some people want to do speaking. Some people want to teach live training.
where I'm coaching them every week on, okay, here's how you build an audience. I'm focused on podcasting. So here's how you build an audience. Here's how you build your podcast. Here's how you get people to listen to it. Here's how you grow it. And then from there, it's here's how you build it into... Some people want to do speaking. Some people want to teach live training.
Some people want to do courses. Some people want to do... I mean, there are all these options. Build their freelancing practice. Get a better job. All of those things are things that I have done out of... podcasting while I'm working on the course. But all the other things are things that I've done out of it, right? I have a book that I've written that I've sold off at the back of the podcast.
Some people want to do courses. Some people want to do... I mean, there are all these options. Build their freelancing practice. Get a better job. All of those things are things that I have done out of... podcasting while I'm working on the course. But all the other things are things that I've done out of it, right? I have a book that I've written that I've sold off at the back of the podcast.
And so if that's something you're interested in, you can go check it out. But if you want a podcast about it, I'm putting that out too. So go check it out, devinfluencers.com slash podcast. And you can check that out there. You can also go to devinfluencers.com slash apply and And you'll put your email and name in.
And so if that's something you're interested in, you can go check it out. But if you want a podcast about it, I'm putting that out too. So go check it out, devinfluencers.com slash podcast. And you can check that out there. You can also go to devinfluencers.com slash apply and And you'll put your email and name in.
And that's just so that some people, for whatever reason, they hit the thing on their phone, the application, and then for whatever reason, they don't get the information in. That's so that I can just remind them, hey, look, I'm filled it out. Can you come back, right? And then I'm planning on sending some emails out and some other stuff, putting some other stuff together there.
And that's just so that some people, for whatever reason, they hit the thing on their phone, the application, and then for whatever reason, they don't get the information in. That's so that I can just remind them, hey, look, I'm filled it out. Can you come back, right? And then I'm planning on sending some emails out and some other stuff, putting some other stuff together there.
But yeah, devinfluencers.com. That's where all that stuff's going to be for the podcast. And I'm going to be talking about how to advance your career. A lot of people, they get stuck at senior developer. That's the other thing. And they're like, I don't want to be a manager. I don't really want to go architecture or whatever. I want to keep writing code. And this is a way you can do that.
But yeah, devinfluencers.com. That's where all that stuff's going to be for the podcast. And I'm going to be talking about how to advance your career. A lot of people, they get stuck at senior developer. That's the other thing. And they're like, I don't want to be a manager. I don't really want to go architecture or whatever. I want to keep writing code. And this is a way you can do that.
So anyway, devinfluencers.com. That's kind of my thing. And that's not an April Fool's joke. Darren, do you have some picks for us?
So anyway, devinfluencers.com. That's kind of my thing. And that's not an April Fool's joke. Darren, do you have some picks for us?
We usually ask you to at the end where people can find you.
We usually ask you to at the end where people can find you.
Awesome. All right. Well, and then I'm assuming you're also on Twitter and Facebook, or Facebook, Twitter and GitHub.
Awesome. All right. Well, and then I'm assuming you're also on Twitter and Facebook, or Facebook, Twitter and GitHub.
All right, cool. All right, well, thank you for coming. This was really, really fun. Yeah, thanks so much for having me. This was great. Yeah, it's fun to argue about architecture, right? I love it. I love it. This is what it's all about. All right, folks. Well, until next week, Max out.
All right, cool. All right, well, thank you for coming. This was really, really fun. Yeah, thanks so much for having me. This was great. Yeah, it's fun to argue about architecture, right? I love it. I love it. This is what it's all about. All right, folks. Well, until next week, Max out.
So do you want to introduce yourself, let people know who you are, why you're important and famous and all that cool stuff?
So do you want to introduce yourself, let people know who you are, why you're important and famous and all that cool stuff?
Hey, everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Ruby Rogues podcast. This week on our panel, we have Dave Kimura. Hey, everyone. I'm Charles Maxwood from devchat.tv. Dave, it's nice to do a podcast with you again. It's been a while, hasn't it? I know. I keep winding up, showing up when you can't make it, and then you show up when I can't make it. Yeah.
Hey, everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Ruby Rogues podcast. This week on our panel, we have Dave Kimura. Hey, everyone. I'm Charles Maxwood from devchat.tv. Dave, it's nice to do a podcast with you again. It's been a while, hasn't it? I know. I keep winding up, showing up when you can't make it, and then you show up when I can't make it. Yeah.
So one other thing that I'm wondering about, because Dave was like, well, how do you deal with the database level? I'm thinking, how do you figure out traffic coming in, right? I mean, do you have subdomains? Do you have like Varnish or something on the front that
So one other thing that I'm wondering about, because Dave was like, well, how do you deal with the database level? I'm thinking, how do you figure out traffic coming in, right? I mean, do you have subdomains? Do you have like Varnish or something on the front that
you know, figures out this path means this microservice, or do you have them talk to each other through, I've seen like RabbitMQ, which I've also seen be a headache. I mean, how do you work all that out?
you know, figures out this path means this microservice, or do you have them talk to each other through, I've seen like RabbitMQ, which I've also seen be a headache. I mean, how do you work all that out?
Well, thanks very much for having me. I'm absolutely thrilled to be talking about what it's like exploring space.
Well, thanks very much for having me. I'm absolutely thrilled to be talking about what it's like exploring space.
You adapt. Having said that, though, everything is different when you're living in space. You know, we grow up on the planet Earth. We grow up in a gravitational environment. So living without gravity, you have to relearn how to brush your teeth, comb your hair and have a shower and simply eat a meal.
You adapt. Having said that, though, everything is different when you're living in space. You know, we grow up on the planet Earth. We grow up in a gravitational environment. So living without gravity, you have to relearn how to brush your teeth, comb your hair and have a shower and simply eat a meal.
With today's spaceflight, that's definitely the case. Living and working on the space station, we've had humans in space on the space station for the last 22 years. But they're working in this microgravity environment without gravity. Going back to the moon, we're going to be living and working in one-sixth gravity. And ultimately, when we go to Mars, it'll be about 40% of the Earth's gravity.
With today's spaceflight, that's definitely the case. Living and working on the space station, we've had humans in space on the space station for the last 22 years. But they're working in this microgravity environment without gravity. Going back to the moon, we're going to be living and working in one-sixth gravity. And ultimately, when we go to Mars, it'll be about 40% of the Earth's gravity.
So managing these different levels of gravity is something that we have to get used to.
So managing these different levels of gravity is something that we have to get used to.
We're still learning, but there's no question. We have a lot of data now and we've acquired so much data on the space station. We think we understand the issues with long duration missions like sending a human to Mars, which would take six months.
We're still learning, but there's no question. We have a lot of data now and we've acquired so much data on the space station. We think we understand the issues with long duration missions like sending a human to Mars, which would take six months.
I wouldn't say it's anytime soon. The current plan is, of course, going back to the moon. We have the Artemis 1 spacecraft orbiting the moon right now. And Artemis 2 will carry humans to orbit the moon.
I wouldn't say it's anytime soon. The current plan is, of course, going back to the moon. We have the Artemis 1 spacecraft orbiting the moon right now. And Artemis 2 will carry humans to orbit the moon.
And then ultimately, we're going to land humans on the surface of the moon, set up a lunar habitat, and understand how to develop new technologies to enable us to live there for long periods of time. And those missions will get us ready to go to Mars probably sometime in the next 20 to 30 years. So talk a little bit about your trips to space and when it was and what it was like.
And then ultimately, we're going to land humans on the surface of the moon, set up a lunar habitat, and understand how to develop new technologies to enable us to live there for long periods of time. And those missions will get us ready to go to Mars probably sometime in the next 20 to 30 years. So talk a little bit about your trips to space and when it was and what it was like.
Well, the first time was in 1998. I like to say the first space flight I was on was in the last millennium. And that was a mission dedicated to understanding how the body, the brain, the nervous system adapted to being in space. My second space flight was in 2007. I went from being a neuroscientist in space to being a construction worker, helping build the space station.
Well, the first time was in 1998. I like to say the first space flight I was on was in the last millennium. And that was a mission dedicated to understanding how the body, the brain, the nervous system adapted to being in space. My second space flight was in 2007. I went from being a neuroscientist in space to being a construction worker, helping build the space station.
I went outside, did three spacewalks to help build the space station. An amazing experience.
I went outside, did three spacewalks to help build the space station. An amazing experience.
Yeah, it's an unbelievable experience. It really, it changes you forever. I remember riding on the end of the Canadarm on my second spacewalk, looking back at the Earth, this four and a half billion year old planet upon which the entire history of the human species has taken place. And it's cast against the black, infinite void of space, this beautiful blue oasis of our planet.
Yeah, it's an unbelievable experience. It really, it changes you forever. I remember riding on the end of the Canadarm on my second spacewalk, looking back at the Earth, this four and a half billion year old planet upon which the entire history of the human species has taken place. And it's cast against the black, infinite void of space, this beautiful blue oasis of our planet.
And you realize when you orbit the Earth every 90 minutes, that in fact we live on a pretty small planet you might even call it the global village and there's no borders separating countries you can see from space it's quite clear we're all in this together and you can see changes taking place on the planet far below so it it really is quite a transformational experience
And you realize when you orbit the Earth every 90 minutes, that in fact we live on a pretty small planet you might even call it the global village and there's no borders separating countries you can see from space it's quite clear we're all in this together and you can see changes taking place on the planet far below so it it really is quite a transformational experience
Well, pretty much so. You know, despite the fact you see a sunrise and a sunset every 45 minutes, we have a designated eight hour sleep period. And it's really important to actually get to bed and sleep for that eight hours. We have what's called PSA, pre-sleep activities and post-sleep activities, you know, to enable you to brush your teeth and make a meal if having breakfast and things.
Well, pretty much so. You know, despite the fact you see a sunrise and a sunset every 45 minutes, we have a designated eight hour sleep period. And it's really important to actually get to bed and sleep for that eight hours. We have what's called PSA, pre-sleep activities and post-sleep activities, you know, to enable you to brush your teeth and make a meal if having breakfast and things.
And the rest of your day, though, is really quite busy. You've got research experiments scheduled, maintenance activities for the space station that are scheduled. Sometimes you have to go outside and do a spacewalk. And going outside is not quite as simple as just throwing on a spacesuit and going out the airlock to be able to do the work that you have outside.
And the rest of your day, though, is really quite busy. You've got research experiments scheduled, maintenance activities for the space station that are scheduled. Sometimes you have to go outside and do a spacewalk. And going outside is not quite as simple as just throwing on a spacesuit and going out the airlock to be able to do the work that you have outside.
There's a whole protocol to get ready for spacewalks.
There's a whole protocol to get ready for spacewalks.
literally every system of the body is affected by being in space. And it depends on the actual organ system. So, yeah, I got taller in space on Earth. I'm 6'1". In space, I was 6'2 3⁄4", because without gravity, your spine essentially elongates. It stretches out a little bit, and the normal curve you have in your back on Earth disappears when you're in space.
literally every system of the body is affected by being in space. And it depends on the actual organ system. So, yeah, I got taller in space on Earth. I'm 6'1". In space, I was 6'2 3⁄4", because without gravity, your spine essentially elongates. It stretches out a little bit, and the normal curve you have in your back on Earth disappears when you're in space.
But your muscles become weaker simply because you're not
But your muscles become weaker simply because you're not
lifting heavy objects you know you're just simply floating around in space your bones become deconditioned they lose bone density again for the same reason you're not lifting heavy weights you're not walking against the resistance of gravity so every organ system has changes that take place but the remarkable thing is when you come back to earth it all changes back so many of the similarities of weakness and bone loss sound like we're aging in space
lifting heavy objects you know you're just simply floating around in space your bones become deconditioned they lose bone density again for the same reason you're not lifting heavy weights you're not walking against the resistance of gravity so every organ system has changes that take place but the remarkable thing is when you come back to earth it all changes back so many of the similarities of weakness and bone loss sound like we're aging in space
But it's reversible aging, which returns to normal when we get back to Earth.
But it's reversible aging, which returns to normal when we get back to Earth.
You're definitely busy and there's always other people around, but it is possible to get private time. And I think that's really important to re-energize when you're in space. The same thing on Earth. You know, in the pandemic, a lot of us were living with other people in isolation for a period of time, which is very much what it's like living on board the space station.
You're definitely busy and there's always other people around, but it is possible to get private time. And I think that's really important to re-energize when you're in space. The same thing on Earth. You know, in the pandemic, a lot of us were living with other people in isolation for a period of time, which is very much what it's like living on board the space station.
And you have to find time for yourself. So what I would do is reenergize. Go to the cupola and look out the windows and the cupola at the Earth going by and just simply put on some earplugs and listen to music while you're doing this. And imagine I was able to listen to Louis Armstrong, What a Wonderful World, while I'm orbiting the planet, looking at it from afar on the space station.
And you have to find time for yourself. So what I would do is reenergize. Go to the cupola and look out the windows and the cupola at the Earth going by and just simply put on some earplugs and listen to music while you're doing this. And imagine I was able to listen to Louis Armstrong, What a Wonderful World, while I'm orbiting the planet, looking at it from afar on the space station.
And even today, if I listen to that song, I'm instantly on board the space station. How long does it take to get there? Well, it's only an eight and a half minute ride to space. And it's pretty much the same no matter what rocket you're riding.
And even today, if I listen to that song, I'm instantly on board the space station. How long does it take to get there? Well, it's only an eight and a half minute ride to space. And it's pretty much the same no matter what rocket you're riding.
But in terms of actually getting to the space station, it does take time once you get into orbit to then go to a higher orbital altitude and then rendezvous and dock with the space station. So when I went there on the space shuttle... We would rendezvous and dock on the third flight day because our second flight day we spend inspecting the tile on the orbiter.
But in terms of actually getting to the space station, it does take time once you get into orbit to then go to a higher orbital altitude and then rendezvous and dock with the space station. So when I went there on the space shuttle... We would rendezvous and dock on the third flight day because our second flight day we spend inspecting the tile on the orbiter.
It is possible without using the shuttle and doing the tile inspection to rendezvous and dock on the second day. And then you can also certainly do a rendezvous and docking within one day. So a lot of it depends on the mission that you're flying on. And when you're up there, what do you eat? The food in space is very much like camping food.
It is possible without using the shuttle and doing the tile inspection to rendezvous and dock on the second day. And then you can also certainly do a rendezvous and docking within one day. So a lot of it depends on the mission that you're flying on. And when you're up there, what do you eat? The food in space is very much like camping food.
And it's a really interesting phenomenon because, of course, food is really important for all of us. And it's not just the nutritional aspect of food. Food can, if you're eating the same stuff all the time, it becomes a little bit boring. So people like to have a wide variety of different foods to eat when you're in space. Food tastes a little bit different than it does on Earth.
And it's a really interesting phenomenon because, of course, food is really important for all of us. And it's not just the nutritional aspect of food. Food can, if you're eating the same stuff all the time, it becomes a little bit boring. So people like to have a wide variety of different foods to eat when you're in space. Food tastes a little bit different than it does on Earth.
It's almost as though you have a cold until you adapt to being in space. So people like really spicy sauces on their food. How do you put salt on your food in space without gravity? You can't shake it out of a salt shaker. So we actually have salt water and you spray it on your food. So eating in space is quite a different experience.
It's almost as though you have a cold until you adapt to being in space. So people like really spicy sauces on their food. How do you put salt on your food in space without gravity? You can't shake it out of a salt shaker. So we actually have salt water and you spray it on your food. So eating in space is quite a different experience.
Yeah, there's no question. So the pepper, we mix it with oil and you can squirt that on. Wasabi is really popular because, you know, it's a paste and you can just put it on your food and it makes it spicy, clears out the nasal passages. So any hot sauces like that people really enjoy.
Yeah, there's no question. So the pepper, we mix it with oil and you can squirt that on. Wasabi is really popular because, you know, it's a paste and you can just put it on your food and it makes it spicy, clears out the nasal passages. So any hot sauces like that people really enjoy.
In fact, shrimp cocktail in the shuttle program was one of the most popular meals because of the spicy horseradish sauce.
In fact, shrimp cocktail in the shuttle program was one of the most popular meals because of the spicy horseradish sauce.
You know, it's an interesting question. You would think that it's a linear decrease. So if you stay up there long enough, your bones are going to dissolve and your muscles are going to be really weak. You'll turn into a blob of jelly. And in fact, that's not what happens.
You know, it's an interesting question. You would think that it's a linear decrease. So if you stay up there long enough, your bones are going to dissolve and your muscles are going to be really weak. You'll turn into a blob of jelly. And in fact, that's not what happens.
It turns out that there is a fairly rapid decay that takes place over a year if you're living in space, but it hits a plateau level. And if we think about that, If you're in bed for a long period of time, we have patients in hospitals that are in bed for a year or more with various illnesses. We have people who live in wheelchairs following a tragic accident where they get a spinal cord injury.
It turns out that there is a fairly rapid decay that takes place over a year if you're living in space, but it hits a plateau level. And if we think about that, If you're in bed for a long period of time, we have patients in hospitals that are in bed for a year or more with various illnesses. We have people who live in wheelchairs following a tragic accident where they get a spinal cord injury.
And we know in those individuals that the muscles in their lower extremities don't disappear. The bones don't dissolve. that it plateaus after a period of time. We also understand that if you stay in space in microgravity for a year, remember it's only going to take six months for us to get to Mars and then six months to come back.
And we know in those individuals that the muscles in their lower extremities don't disappear. The bones don't dissolve. that it plateaus after a period of time. We also understand that if you stay in space in microgravity for a year, remember it's only going to take six months for us to get to Mars and then six months to come back.
So we certainly will be able to survive those long-duration missions going to another planet in our solar system.
So we certainly will be able to survive those long-duration missions going to another planet in our solar system.
You are. That's very true. There is a limit. There's no question. We need to think about what are the solutions to enable us to stay in space longer and go farther. So going farther, new propulsion systems, but staying longer. Remember 2001, a space odyssey, they had a rotating space station. So they created artificial gravity in space by rotating their space station.
You are. That's very true. There is a limit. There's no question. We need to think about what are the solutions to enable us to stay in space longer and go farther. So going farther, new propulsion systems, but staying longer. Remember 2001, a space odyssey, they had a rotating space station. So they created artificial gravity in space by rotating their space station.
And of course, if you're able to do that, that changes the whole paradigm of living in space. You're going to prevent a lot of these changes that we're seeing today on board the space station from taking place.
And of course, if you're able to do that, that changes the whole paradigm of living in space. You're going to prevent a lot of these changes that we're seeing today on board the space station from taking place.
yeah so a lot depends on the type of vehicle that you're on for the most part yes the computers are flying the spacecraft usually the final phase of rendezvous and docking is done by the pilots or the commanders of the spacecraft it really depends on whatever spacecraft you're on we can automate that there's no question for cargo resupply of the space station it's an automated rendezvous and docking but you're busy surprisingly it sounds like there's not a lot to do you're just traveling to the space station but you're always busy
yeah so a lot depends on the type of vehicle that you're on for the most part yes the computers are flying the spacecraft usually the final phase of rendezvous and docking is done by the pilots or the commanders of the spacecraft it really depends on whatever spacecraft you're on we can automate that there's no question for cargo resupply of the space station it's an automated rendezvous and docking but you're busy surprisingly it sounds like there's not a lot to do you're just traveling to the space station but you're always busy
monitoring spacecraft systems, maintaining the spacecraft. In the case of rendezvous and docking, getting ready for that critical phase of flight because you don't want to collide with the vehicle that you're rendezvousing and docking with. That would be really bad.
monitoring spacecraft systems, maintaining the spacecraft. In the case of rendezvous and docking, getting ready for that critical phase of flight because you don't want to collide with the vehicle that you're rendezvousing and docking with. That would be really bad.
There's a whole host of issues we're still working on. Radiation exposure is one of them. Trying to figure out new types of shielding to enable us to protect the astronauts inside the vehicle. Faster propulsion systems to go from one point to another and decrease radiation exposure simply by getting there faster. So that's another category that we have to look at developing new technologies.
There's a whole host of issues we're still working on. Radiation exposure is one of them. Trying to figure out new types of shielding to enable us to protect the astronauts inside the vehicle. Faster propulsion systems to go from one point to another and decrease radiation exposure simply by getting there faster. So that's another category that we have to look at developing new technologies.
But then there's the simply living in space, living with each other, the behavioral issues. of working in close proximity with other individuals, the loneliness that you can get in space, and working in this high-performing environment where you always have to be on top of your game.
But then there's the simply living in space, living with each other, the behavioral issues. of working in close proximity with other individuals, the loneliness that you can get in space, and working in this high-performing environment where you always have to be on top of your game.
So we're studying all the different aspects of this, and arguably one of the greatest lessons for me of living and working on the space station was this attention to wellness, which helped me out during the pandemic because in many cases in the beginning of the pandemic when I was isolated at home, it felt like living on the space station.
So we're studying all the different aspects of this, and arguably one of the greatest lessons for me of living and working on the space station was this attention to wellness, which helped me out during the pandemic because in many cases in the beginning of the pandemic when I was isolated at home, it felt like living on the space station.
Why so? Well, because you're living in a small, confined environment. I mean, it depends how big your apartment is or your house is, but you're living inside. You're not really able to go out. You're spending time with whoever it is you're living with, which sometimes, you know, even our loved ones we can get upset with and get on each other's nerves. So,
Why so? Well, because you're living in a small, confined environment. I mean, it depends how big your apartment is or your house is, but you're living inside. You're not really able to go out. You're spending time with whoever it is you're living with, which sometimes, you know, even our loved ones we can get upset with and get on each other's nerves. So,
We have to figure out how to maintain our wellness in that environment. So wellness is all about our physical fitness and sleep and diet and rest and exercise. It's about our emotional spirit re-energizing by playing music or doing whatever we enjoy doing, whether it's reading literature, playing music.
We have to figure out how to maintain our wellness in that environment. So wellness is all about our physical fitness and sleep and diet and rest and exercise. It's about our emotional spirit re-energizing by playing music or doing whatever we enjoy doing, whether it's reading literature, playing music.
And then, of course, interacting with other individuals and building that positive relationship between each other. So there's many different aspects to wellness that are critical. Even after now we're emerging from this pandemic, building wellness into our day-to-day lives is something that's very helpful.
And then, of course, interacting with other individuals and building that positive relationship between each other. So there's many different aspects to wellness that are critical. Even after now we're emerging from this pandemic, building wellness into our day-to-day lives is something that's very helpful.
Overall, it's roughly the size of a football field, but there's different modules that you are able to live in and work in. And some of the modules are essentially laboratories. Other modules have sleep stations in them. Of course, we have an airlock and then we've got an area called the cupola where it's all windows and you can look out at the earth around you.
Overall, it's roughly the size of a football field, but there's different modules that you are able to live in and work in. And some of the modules are essentially laboratories. Other modules have sleep stations in them. Of course, we have an airlock and then we've got an area called the cupola where it's all windows and you can look out at the earth around you.
The funny part, though, is when we think about houses and apartments on Earth, we think about square feet. Well, square feet in space doesn't really matter at all. It's cubic feet because you've got this whole volume that you can live in. And, you know, if you're on the floor, I can hang out on the ceiling. And, you know, what metaphorically is the ceiling?
The funny part, though, is when we think about houses and apartments on Earth, we think about square feet. Well, square feet in space doesn't really matter at all. It's cubic feet because you've got this whole volume that you can live in. And, you know, if you're on the floor, I can hang out on the ceiling. And, you know, what metaphorically is the ceiling?
And I'm looking down at you and I'm perfectly happy using this additional surface. We really are able to use all the different environments in the space station itself. There is no ceiling. There is no floor. There are no walls. We just simply use whatever surface we're on. And how do you move about? fingertip forces.
And I'm looking down at you and I'm perfectly happy using this additional surface. We really are able to use all the different environments in the space station itself. There is no ceiling. There is no floor. There are no walls. We just simply use whatever surface we're on. And how do you move about? fingertip forces.
You know, it's funny when you see a first time flyer in space and to a degree, they're like the bull in the China shop. You know, they push off a little too hard and they go flying across one of the modules and then bounce off the wall and you kind of don't push so hard.
You know, it's funny when you see a first time flyer in space and to a degree, they're like the bull in the China shop. You know, they push off a little too hard and they go flying across one of the modules and then bounce off the wall and you kind of don't push so hard.
And then after you've been there for a while, you realize it literally is just a fingertip force that you push off very gently or push off with your toes very gently. And you can glide kind of cruising from one part of the module to another. It's a really amazingly graceful thing to be able to do. I would miss that, I would think, when you got back home. You do.
And then after you've been there for a while, you realize it literally is just a fingertip force that you push off very gently or push off with your toes very gently. And you can glide kind of cruising from one part of the module to another. It's a really amazingly graceful thing to be able to do. I would miss that, I would think, when you got back home. You do.
In fact, there's what we call zero-g flashbacks. So even with me talking to you today, I'm sitting in a chair, but I can imagine what it would be like to just simply close my eyes like I'm on board the space station and float out of my chair and be
In fact, there's what we call zero-g flashbacks. So even with me talking to you today, I'm sitting in a chair, but I can imagine what it would be like to just simply close my eyes like I'm on board the space station and float out of my chair and be
floating around the middle of my room here the trick of course in space is when you're working in a fairly large module always make sure that you can get back to a surface because you can't just flop around like a fish you know you've got to have a handrail to grab onto to be able to push and be able to move forward what happens if you don't what happens if you're floating in the middle of the room and you've got you can't reach anything what would eventually happen to you
floating around the middle of my room here the trick of course in space is when you're working in a fairly large module always make sure that you can get back to a surface because you can't just flop around like a fish you know you've got to have a handrail to grab onto to be able to push and be able to move forward what happens if you don't what happens if you're floating in the middle of the room and you've got you can't reach anything what would eventually happen to you
Well, you know, a couple of things. You can flop around and see if that's going to work for you. And I can tell you from experience, it's not really going to work for you. You can just sit there floating and hope that the airflow from the fans will kind of slowly move you over towards the surface. Or you can say, hey, can somebody come in and give me a hand here?
Well, you know, a couple of things. You can flop around and see if that's going to work for you. And I can tell you from experience, it's not really going to work for you. You can just sit there floating and hope that the airflow from the fans will kind of slowly move you over towards the surface. Or you can say, hey, can somebody come in and give me a hand here?
And then somebody will float over and smile at you. Well, there you are.
And then somebody will float over and smile at you. Well, there you are.
give you a little nudge but most astronauts when we're living in space for long periods of time we know to push off and get to another surface it's not really an issue the only time that it might happen is if you simply close your eyes for a nap and you fall asleep and then you're kind of curled up in this little ball just randomly floating around so when you go to bed and you do you go to get into a bed and and is it like the blankets that keep you in it
give you a little nudge but most astronauts when we're living in space for long periods of time we know to push off and get to another surface it's not really an issue the only time that it might happen is if you simply close your eyes for a nap and you fall asleep and then you're kind of curled up in this little ball just randomly floating around so when you go to bed and you do you go to get into a bed and and is it like the blankets that keep you in it
We have a sleeping bag. You don't call it that in space because it doesn't sound very astronaut-like. So we call it the sleep restraint system. But basically, it's a sleeping bag. And you can attach it to any surface, the wall, the ceiling, the floor, whatever you want. And most people use their sleeping bags or their sleep restraint system to fall asleep in. You climb into the sleeping bag.
We have a sleeping bag. You don't call it that in space because it doesn't sound very astronaut-like. So we call it the sleep restraint system. But basically, it's a sleeping bag. And you can attach it to any surface, the wall, the ceiling, the floor, whatever you want. And most people use their sleeping bags or their sleep restraint system to fall asleep in. You climb into the sleeping bag.
You zip it up. And then your hands will float up in front of you when you fall asleep because it's not like Earth where you're lying in a bed and gravity is holding you into the bed. It turns out when you sleep without gravity, your arms are kind of hovering in front of your face. And I'll never forget on my first spaceflight having a dream that somebody was reaching out to grab my neck.
You zip it up. And then your hands will float up in front of you when you fall asleep because it's not like Earth where you're lying in a bed and gravity is holding you into the bed. It turns out when you sleep without gravity, your arms are kind of hovering in front of your face. And I'll never forget on my first spaceflight having a dream that somebody was reaching out to grab my neck.
And I woke up startled thinking, oh, my goodness, what's happening? And I saw these hands right in front of me. I go, oh, no. And then I realized it's my own hands.
And I woke up startled thinking, oh, my goodness, what's happening? And I saw these hands right in front of me. I go, oh, no. And then I realized it's my own hands.
So yeah, I got taller in space on Earth. I'm 6'1". In space, I was 6'2 and 3 quarters because without gravity, your spine essentially elongates. It stretches out a little bit and the normal curve you have in your back on Earth disappears when you're in space. All this today on Something You Should Know.
So yeah, I got taller in space on Earth. I'm 6'1". In space, I was 6'2 and 3 quarters because without gravity, your spine essentially elongates. It stretches out a little bit and the normal curve you have in your back on Earth disappears when you're in space. All this today on Something You Should Know.
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Oh, it's such a clutch off-season pickup, Dave. I was worried we'd bring back the same team. I meant those blackout motorized shades. Blinds.com made it crazy affordable to replace our old blinds. Hard to install? No, it's easy. I installed these and then got some from my mom. She talked to a design consultant for free and scheduled a professional measure and install. Hall of Fame's son?
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Well, thanks very much for having me. I'm absolutely thrilled to be talking about what it's like exploring space.
You adapt. Having said that, though, everything is different when you're living in space. You know, we grow up on the planet Earth. We grow up in a gravitational environment. So living without gravity, you have to relearn how to brush your teeth, comb your hair and have a shower and simply eat a meal.
With today's spaceflight, that's definitely the case. Living and working on the space station, we've had humans in space on the space station for the last 22 years. But they're working in this microgravity environment without gravity. Going back to the moon, we're going to be living and working in one-sixth gravity. And ultimately, when we go to Mars, it'll be about 40% of the Earth's gravity.
So managing these different levels of gravity is something that we have to get used to.
We're still learning, but there's no question. We have a lot of data now and we've acquired so much data on the space station. We think we understand the issues with long duration missions like sending a human to Mars, which would take six months.
I wouldn't say it's anytime soon. The current plan is, of course, going back to the moon. We have the Artemis 1 spacecraft orbiting the moon right now. And Artemis 2 will carry humans to orbit the moon.
And then ultimately, we're going to land humans on the surface of the moon, set up a lunar habitat, and understand how to develop new technologies to enable us to live there for long periods of time. And those missions will get us ready to go to Mars probably sometime in the next 20 to 30 years. So talk a little bit about your trips to space and when it was and what it was like.
Well, the first time was in 1998. I like to say the first space flight I was on was in the last millennium. And that was a mission dedicated to understanding how the body, the brain, the nervous system adapted to being in space. My second space flight was in 2007. I went from being a neuroscientist in space to being a construction worker, helping build the space station.
I went outside, did three spacewalks to help build the space station. An amazing experience.
Yeah, it's an unbelievable experience. It really, it changes you forever. I remember riding on the end of the Canadarm on my second spacewalk, looking back at the Earth, this four and a half billion year old planet upon which the entire history of the human species has taken place. And it's cast against the black, infinite void of space, this beautiful blue oasis of our planet.
And you realize when you orbit the Earth every 90 minutes, that in fact we live on a pretty small planet you might even call it the global village and there's no borders separating countries you can see from space it's quite clear we're all in this together and you can see changes taking place on the planet far below so it it really is quite a transformational experience
Well, pretty much so. You know, despite the fact you see a sunrise and a sunset every 45 minutes, we have a designated eight hour sleep period. And it's really important to actually get to bed and sleep for that eight hours. We have what's called PSA, pre-sleep activities and post-sleep activities, you know, to enable you to brush your teeth and make a meal if having breakfast and things.
And the rest of your day, though, is really quite busy. You've got research experiments scheduled, maintenance activities for the space station that are scheduled. Sometimes you have to go outside and do a spacewalk. And going outside is not quite as simple as just throwing on a spacesuit and going out the airlock to be able to do the work that you have outside.
There's a whole protocol to get ready for spacewalks.
literally every system of the body is affected by being in space. And it depends on the actual organ system. So, yeah, I got taller in space on Earth. I'm 6'1". In space, I was 6'2 3⁄4", because without gravity, your spine essentially elongates. It stretches out a little bit, and the normal curve you have in your back on Earth disappears when you're in space.
But your muscles become weaker simply because you're not
lifting heavy objects you know you're just simply floating around in space your bones become deconditioned they lose bone density again for the same reason you're not lifting heavy weights you're not walking against the resistance of gravity so every organ system has changes that take place but the remarkable thing is when you come back to earth it all changes back so many of the similarities of weakness and bone loss sound like we're aging in space
But it's reversible aging, which returns to normal when we get back to Earth.
You're definitely busy and there's always other people around, but it is possible to get private time. And I think that's really important to re-energize when you're in space. The same thing on Earth. You know, in the pandemic, a lot of us were living with other people in isolation for a period of time, which is very much what it's like living on board the space station.
And you have to find time for yourself. So what I would do is reenergize. Go to the cupola and look out the windows and the cupola at the Earth going by and just simply put on some earplugs and listen to music while you're doing this. And imagine I was able to listen to Louis Armstrong, What a Wonderful World, while I'm orbiting the planet, looking at it from afar on the space station.
And even today, if I listen to that song, I'm instantly on board the space station. How long does it take to get there? Well, it's only an eight and a half minute ride to space. And it's pretty much the same no matter what rocket you're riding.
But in terms of actually getting to the space station, it does take time once you get into orbit to then go to a higher orbital altitude and then rendezvous and dock with the space station. So when I went there on the space shuttle... We would rendezvous and dock on the third flight day because our second flight day we spend inspecting the tile on the orbiter.
It is possible without using the shuttle and doing the tile inspection to rendezvous and dock on the second day. And then you can also certainly do a rendezvous and docking within one day. So a lot of it depends on the mission that you're flying on. And when you're up there, what do you eat? The food in space is very much like camping food.
And it's a really interesting phenomenon because, of course, food is really important for all of us. And it's not just the nutritional aspect of food. Food can, if you're eating the same stuff all the time, it becomes a little bit boring. So people like to have a wide variety of different foods to eat when you're in space. Food tastes a little bit different than it does on Earth.
It's almost as though you have a cold until you adapt to being in space. So people like really spicy sauces on their food. How do you put salt on your food in space without gravity? You can't shake it out of a salt shaker. So we actually have salt water and you spray it on your food. So eating in space is quite a different experience.
Yeah, there's no question. So the pepper, we mix it with oil and you can squirt that on. Wasabi is really popular because, you know, it's a paste and you can just put it on your food and it makes it spicy, clears out the nasal passages. So any hot sauces like that people really enjoy.
In fact, shrimp cocktail in the shuttle program was one of the most popular meals because of the spicy horseradish sauce.
You know, it's an interesting question. You would think that it's a linear decrease. So if you stay up there long enough, your bones are going to dissolve and your muscles are going to be really weak. You'll turn into a blob of jelly. And in fact, that's not what happens.
It turns out that there is a fairly rapid decay that takes place over a year if you're living in space, but it hits a plateau level. And if we think about that, If you're in bed for a long period of time, we have patients in hospitals that are in bed for a year or more with various illnesses. We have people who live in wheelchairs following a tragic accident where they get a spinal cord injury.
And we know in those individuals that the muscles in their lower extremities don't disappear. The bones don't dissolve. that it plateaus after a period of time. We also understand that if you stay in space in microgravity for a year, remember it's only going to take six months for us to get to Mars and then six months to come back.
So we certainly will be able to survive those long-duration missions going to another planet in our solar system.
You are. That's very true. There is a limit. There's no question. We need to think about what are the solutions to enable us to stay in space longer and go farther. So going farther, new propulsion systems, but staying longer. Remember 2001, a space odyssey, they had a rotating space station. So they created artificial gravity in space by rotating their space station.
And of course, if you're able to do that, that changes the whole paradigm of living in space. You're going to prevent a lot of these changes that we're seeing today on board the space station from taking place.
yeah so a lot depends on the type of vehicle that you're on for the most part yes the computers are flying the spacecraft usually the final phase of rendezvous and docking is done by the pilots or the commanders of the spacecraft it really depends on whatever spacecraft you're on we can automate that there's no question for cargo resupply of the space station it's an automated rendezvous and docking but you're busy surprisingly it sounds like there's not a lot to do you're just traveling to the space station but you're always busy
monitoring spacecraft systems, maintaining the spacecraft. In the case of rendezvous and docking, getting ready for that critical phase of flight because you don't want to collide with the vehicle that you're rendezvousing and docking with. That would be really bad.
There's a whole host of issues we're still working on. Radiation exposure is one of them. Trying to figure out new types of shielding to enable us to protect the astronauts inside the vehicle. Faster propulsion systems to go from one point to another and decrease radiation exposure simply by getting there faster. So that's another category that we have to look at developing new technologies.
But then there's the simply living in space, living with each other, the behavioral issues. of working in close proximity with other individuals, the loneliness that you can get in space, and working in this high-performing environment where you always have to be on top of your game.
So we're studying all the different aspects of this, and arguably one of the greatest lessons for me of living and working on the space station was this attention to wellness, which helped me out during the pandemic because in many cases in the beginning of the pandemic when I was isolated at home, it felt like living on the space station.
Why so? Well, because you're living in a small, confined environment. I mean, it depends how big your apartment is or your house is, but you're living inside. You're not really able to go out. You're spending time with whoever it is you're living with, which sometimes, you know, even our loved ones we can get upset with and get on each other's nerves. So,
We have to figure out how to maintain our wellness in that environment. So wellness is all about our physical fitness and sleep and diet and rest and exercise. It's about our emotional spirit re-energizing by playing music or doing whatever we enjoy doing, whether it's reading literature, playing music.
And then, of course, interacting with other individuals and building that positive relationship between each other. So there's many different aspects to wellness that are critical. Even after now we're emerging from this pandemic, building wellness into our day-to-day lives is something that's very helpful.
Overall, it's roughly the size of a football field, but there's different modules that you are able to live in and work in. And some of the modules are essentially laboratories. Other modules have sleep stations in them. Of course, we have an airlock and then we've got an area called the cupola where it's all windows and you can look out at the earth around you.
The funny part, though, is when we think about houses and apartments on Earth, we think about square feet. Well, square feet in space doesn't really matter at all. It's cubic feet because you've got this whole volume that you can live in. And, you know, if you're on the floor, I can hang out on the ceiling. And, you know, what metaphorically is the ceiling?
And I'm looking down at you and I'm perfectly happy using this additional surface. We really are able to use all the different environments in the space station itself. There is no ceiling. There is no floor. There are no walls. We just simply use whatever surface we're on. And how do you move about? fingertip forces.
You know, it's funny when you see a first time flyer in space and to a degree, they're like the bull in the China shop. You know, they push off a little too hard and they go flying across one of the modules and then bounce off the wall and you kind of don't push so hard.
And then after you've been there for a while, you realize it literally is just a fingertip force that you push off very gently or push off with your toes very gently. And you can glide kind of cruising from one part of the module to another. It's a really amazingly graceful thing to be able to do. I would miss that, I would think, when you got back home. You do.
In fact, there's what we call zero-g flashbacks. So even with me talking to you today, I'm sitting in a chair, but I can imagine what it would be like to just simply close my eyes like I'm on board the space station and float out of my chair and be
floating around the middle of my room here the trick of course in space is when you're working in a fairly large module always make sure that you can get back to a surface because you can't just flop around like a fish you know you've got to have a handrail to grab onto to be able to push and be able to move forward what happens if you don't what happens if you're floating in the middle of the room and you've got you can't reach anything what would eventually happen to you
Well, you know, a couple of things. You can flop around and see if that's going to work for you. And I can tell you from experience, it's not really going to work for you. You can just sit there floating and hope that the airflow from the fans will kind of slowly move you over towards the surface. Or you can say, hey, can somebody come in and give me a hand here?
And then somebody will float over and smile at you. Well, there you are.
give you a little nudge but most astronauts when we're living in space for long periods of time we know to push off and get to another surface it's not really an issue the only time that it might happen is if you simply close your eyes for a nap and you fall asleep and then you're kind of curled up in this little ball just randomly floating around so when you go to bed and you do you go to get into a bed and and is it like the blankets that keep you in it
We have a sleeping bag. You don't call it that in space because it doesn't sound very astronaut-like. So we call it the sleep restraint system. But basically, it's a sleeping bag. And you can attach it to any surface, the wall, the ceiling, the floor, whatever you want. And most people use their sleeping bags or their sleep restraint system to fall asleep in. You climb into the sleeping bag.
You zip it up. And then your hands will float up in front of you when you fall asleep because it's not like Earth where you're lying in a bed and gravity is holding you into the bed. It turns out when you sleep without gravity, your arms are kind of hovering in front of your face. And I'll never forget on my first spaceflight having a dream that somebody was reaching out to grab my neck.
And I woke up startled thinking, oh, my goodness, what's happening? And I saw these hands right in front of me. I go, oh, no. And then I realized it's my own hands.
So yeah, I got taller in space on Earth. I'm 6'1". In space, I was 6'2 and 3 quarters because without gravity, your spine essentially elongates. It stretches out a little bit and the normal curve you have in your back on Earth disappears when you're in space. All this today on Something You Should Know.
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We're really fawning all over you right now. Ryan Reynolds and Clooney. This is good company. You should have finished higher than seventh in 2007 on People Magazine.
We're really fawning all over you right now. Ryan Reynolds and Clooney. This is good company. You should have finished higher than seventh in 2007 on People Magazine.
Dave, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate the time. Again, season two out now on Paramount Plus. Lioness is the name of the show. Enjoy the time, sir.
Dave, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate the time. Again, season two out now on Paramount Plus. Lioness is the name of the show. Enjoy the time, sir.
We're going to get to an Izzy Gutierrez back in my gay in a second. What a wonderful man.
We're going to get to an Izzy Gutierrez back in my gay in a second. What a wonderful man.
Yes, we all fell in love there just staring into the lagoons that he has for eyes. Can you tell me, Billy, because I've heard you guys talking about this for a couple of days and I don't know the story. The Paul Skeens card offer, the Pirates fireballer who is the rookie of the year and nobody can hit him and he's got a tremendous mustache. What is the card offer? It's a baseball card offer?
Yes, we all fell in love there just staring into the lagoons that he has for eyes. Can you tell me, Billy, because I've heard you guys talking about this for a couple of days and I don't know the story. The Paul Skeens card offer, the Pirates fireballer who is the rookie of the year and nobody can hit him and he's got a tremendous mustache. What is the card offer? It's a baseball card offer?
Anyway, I love that character anyways underbelly underbelly The underbilly is a good character.
Anyway, I love that character anyways underbelly underbelly The underbilly is a good character.
It is, but 30 years behind home plate is going to be expensive. And when you mention reselling him, didn't Joey Porter Jr. 's family sell his will call tickets for $400 and just tailgate? And they were quoted as saying, we've seen him play. We know what that is. Kid can do. We don't need to watch that again.
It is, but 30 years behind home plate is going to be expensive. And when you mention reselling him, didn't Joey Porter Jr. 's family sell his will call tickets for $400 and just tailgate? And they were quoted as saying, we've seen him play. We know what that is. Kid can do. We don't need to watch that again.
There's a lot of money in what it is that you're talking about behind home plays, even if it is the Pirates. But what is this card actually worth? Because obviously this is based on the idea. That it's not just that the card is valuable and exclusive because there's only one. It's also based on the idea that this guy is going to be an all-time baseball player.
There's a lot of money in what it is that you're talking about behind home plays, even if it is the Pirates. But what is this card actually worth? Because obviously this is based on the idea. That it's not just that the card is valuable and exclusive because there's only one. It's also based on the idea that this guy is going to be an all-time baseball player.
That this card is going to be one of one for a player that is going to dominate baseball if he does not get injured.
That this card is going to be one of one for a player that is going to dominate baseball if he does not get injured.
Well, tell me who the guys are. When you think of these names, Brian Taylor, Kerry Wood, people who were going to be Paul Skeens, but the human arm isn't meant to continue throwing baseballs at that rate of speed.
Well, tell me who the guys are. When you think of these names, Brian Taylor, Kerry Wood, people who were going to be Paul Skeens, but the human arm isn't meant to continue throwing baseballs at that rate of speed.
Yeah, the Cubs had two guys like this that debuted this way where you thought they're going to be winning 20 games a season for 10 seasons.
Yeah, the Cubs had two guys like this that debuted this way where you thought they're going to be winning 20 games a season for 10 seasons.
No, you're not lying. He was ranked number seven on People Magazine's list of sexiest men alive. Wow. Outside of top five. Technically, what are you saying? Outside of top five. Outside of the top five.
No, you're not lying. He was ranked number seven on People Magazine's list of sexiest men alive. Wow. Outside of top five. Technically, what are you saying? Outside of top five. Outside of the top five.
When you're mentioning Strasburg, though, I don't think we're allowed to say Strasburg's career was a success only because the expectations were in this place where this is going to be an all-time dominant person, not a major leaguer for seven years who is serviceable, but somebody who is going to be unhittable in the sport for 10 to 15 years.
When you're mentioning Strasburg, though, I don't think we're allowed to say Strasburg's career was a success only because the expectations were in this place where this is going to be an all-time dominant person, not a major leaguer for seven years who is serviceable, but somebody who is going to be unhittable in the sport for 10 to 15 years.
Strasburg was supposed to be one of the best pitchers ever. Whether you win a title or not and win a World Series MVP or not, because of where the expectations were, that career can be considered nothing but a disappointment. If Skeens has Strasburg's career even now, it will be considered a disappointment, even if it wins a World Series title in Pittsburgh.
Strasburg was supposed to be one of the best pitchers ever. Whether you win a title or not and win a World Series MVP or not, because of where the expectations were, that career can be considered nothing but a disappointment. If Skeens has Strasburg's career even now, it will be considered a disappointment, even if it wins a World Series title in Pittsburgh.
This is not an indictment of Strasburg's career. It's an indictment of the expectations for Strasburg and an underestimation of what it is that the ravages of throwing a baseball that hard does to the human body.
This is not an indictment of Strasburg's career. It's an indictment of the expectations for Strasburg and an underestimation of what it is that the ravages of throwing a baseball that hard does to the human body.
Oh, no, but he'll throw 100 pitches and go six or seven innings.
Oh, no, but he'll throw 100 pitches and go six or seven innings.
Yeah, for now, right? And he's probably going to get hurt because they all get hurt. Very few of them go. In fact, he hasn't had the Tommy John that he needs to have yet, right? Because they all have to have Tommy John so they can come back as the second version of themselves. Because again, it's not a tenable human act to continue to throw a baseball that hard.
Yeah, for now, right? And he's probably going to get hurt because they all get hurt. Very few of them go. In fact, he hasn't had the Tommy John that he needs to have yet, right? Because they all have to have Tommy John so they can come back as the second version of themselves. Because again, it's not a tenable human act to continue to throw a baseball that hard.
That list of things that who is it that wants it that badly?
That list of things that who is it that wants it that badly?
Dave, thank you for joining us. What is the point of being on the list if you're just seven? Billy knows because he's often in the top five of all sexy lists.
Dave, thank you for joining us. What is the point of being on the list if you're just seven? Billy knows because he's often in the top five of all sexy lists.
Billy, I have rarely seen you, felt you, heard you more alive than when you make the word brother rhyme with udder, like a cow's udder, and you make it brudder. Yeah.
Billy, I have rarely seen you, felt you, heard you more alive than when you make the word brother rhyme with udder, like a cow's udder, and you make it brudder. Yeah.
Maybe making fun of a disability. I'm also sick under the weather. You are sick, but you were summoning the cops of Hulk Hogan there. I feel like that if I arrived at the gates of hell, and I'm like, oh, no, this is terrible, and then they swung open, and they're like, 30 years of Pirates tickets. You have to go to all of the games. With Arp Riles. I'm like...
Maybe making fun of a disability. I'm also sick under the weather. You are sick, but you were summoning the cops of Hulk Hogan there. I feel like that if I arrived at the gates of hell, and I'm like, oh, no, this is terrible, and then they swung open, and they're like, 30 years of Pirates tickets. You have to go to all of the games. With Arp Riles. I'm like...
I don't know if I could handle 30 years of pirates. Do me again.
I don't know if I could handle 30 years of pirates. Do me again.
For the people who do not know, I don't know if they associate you with Yellowstone, Brothers and Sisters, Lioness. When people want to come and talk to you, it's probably not about Yellowstone, right? Well, they do.
For the people who do not know, I don't know if they associate you with Yellowstone, Brothers and Sisters, Lioness. When people want to come and talk to you, it's probably not about Yellowstone, right? Well, they do.
Did you guys see, by the way, how Stu got sprung to life, sprung to life when he could just shout into the microphone, you got to force somebody's hand, leverage. Oh, man, I love that.
Did you guys see, by the way, how Stu got sprung to life, sprung to life when he could just shout into the microphone, you got to force somebody's hand, leverage. Oh, man, I love that.
It is in the millions of value. Billy just got done saying it's in the millions of value. And I do think that I speak for the general entitlement of this show as a sports consuming commodity that we would arrive at your 30 years of tickets and be like, don't think I want them. Don't think, do I have to go to all the Pirates games? Because I think most people listening to this would say,
It is in the millions of value. Billy just got done saying it's in the millions of value. And I do think that I speak for the general entitlement of this show as a sports consuming commodity that we would arrive at your 30 years of tickets and be like, don't think I want them. Don't think, do I have to go to all the Pirates games? Because I think most people listening to this would say,
that they don't want to go to all the Pirates games. A lot of those tickets are going to be resold to others because they just don't want to watch Pirates baseball.
that they don't want to go to all the Pirates games. A lot of those tickets are going to be resold to others because they just don't want to watch Pirates baseball.
I will side with Jeremy on this. Seats behind home plate in a major league ballpark are wonderful, magical things to have. If you gave me the equivalent value and said to me, where would you like to spend this money? The very last thing on that list would be at Pirate Games for me. I'm saying if you give me the equivalent value, if you just tell me, because the card's worth this much.
I will side with Jeremy on this. Seats behind home plate in a major league ballpark are wonderful, magical things to have. If you gave me the equivalent value and said to me, where would you like to spend this money? The very last thing on that list would be at Pirate Games for me. I'm saying if you give me the equivalent value, if you just tell me, because the card's worth this much.
what did you think the show was going to be in its initial stages and how crazy is Costner about these Westerns that he would like gamble his homes to make Western stuff outside of Yellowstone?
what did you think the show was going to be in its initial stages and how crazy is Costner about these Westerns that he would like gamble his homes to make Western stuff outside of Yellowstone?
What they're telling you is if it's 30 years of tickets behind home plate, they're telling you that that's what the card is going to be worth.
What they're telling you is if it's 30 years of tickets behind home plate, they're telling you that that's what the card is going to be worth.
Now I've arrived at the gates of heaven. I can watch 30 years of Rays baseball.
Now I've arrived at the gates of heaven. I can watch 30 years of Rays baseball.
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Angels singing.
Chris, can you please dust off the Back in My Gay imaging? We have not done this in a long time here. We're about to do Back in My Gay with Izzy Gutierrez.
Chris, can you please dust off the Back in My Gay imaging? We have not done this in a long time here. We're about to do Back in My Gay with Izzy Gutierrez.
All right. So I have a couple of questions for you. I knew you would. Nicely done. Well, yeah, because he said too harsh, the penalty, a hundred thousand dollar fine, which is the same that Embiid got for pushing a reporter. You thought the fine was too harsh.
All right. So I have a couple of questions for you. I knew you would. Nicely done. Well, yeah, because he said too harsh, the penalty, a hundred thousand dollar fine, which is the same that Embiid got for pushing a reporter. You thought the fine was too harsh.
How about the difference between Joakim Noah and Kobe and how they were fined for using a slur?
How about the difference between Joakim Noah and Kobe and how they were fined for using a slur?
I do miss, I wish it weren't pejorative, just the phrase lighten the loafers.
I do miss, I wish it weren't pejorative, just the phrase lighten the loafers.
Lighten the loafers is misleading how?
Lighten the loafers is misleading how?
That's the joke he was making. That's the joke the Tin Man was making. You didn't get it until Izzy repeated it.
That's the joke he was making. That's the joke the Tin Man was making. You didn't get it until Izzy repeated it.
He made the joke dressed as the Tin Man. I know. He's in silver. He made the same joke. You refused to laugh at it, and then you laughed uproariously when Izzy did it.
He made the joke dressed as the Tin Man. I know. He's in silver. He made the same joke. You refused to laugh at it, and then you laughed uproariously when Izzy did it.
So you guys knew you had a hit, though, when like when I never understood how it is that that show grew that quickly when you have to seek out your entertainment. And I was wondering what that show was doing, that it's word of mouth arrived at. Hey, this is the most popular show in America.
So you guys knew you had a hit, though, when like when I never understood how it is that that show grew that quickly when you have to seek out your entertainment. And I was wondering what that show was doing, that it's word of mouth arrived at. Hey, this is the most popular show in America.
You you're a Giants fan, a New York Giants fan. Don't say that out loud. And don't say that out loud. New York Mets fan.
You you're a Giants fan, a New York Giants fan. Don't say that out loud. And don't say that out loud. New York Mets fan.
How do you end up feeling about that when it happens to you a couple of days ago? Because your allegiances to football are greater than they are to the other sports, are they not?
How do you end up feeling about that when it happens to you a couple of days ago? Because your allegiances to football are greater than they are to the other sports, are they not?
And so you get the Daniel Jones news and you're hopeless about the future? You're like, I'm done with him. I don't think he can play anymore.
And so you get the Daniel Jones news and you're hopeless about the future? You're like, I'm done with him. I don't think he can play anymore.
It's a strong look. Did you learn any Spanish marrying a Cuban?
It's a strong look. Did you learn any Spanish marrying a Cuban?
Ever? Okay, yeah, they're here talking Spanish, yeah.
Ever? Okay, yeah, they're here talking Spanish, yeah.
That's the way that goes with Hispanic families. Did you get the Yellowstone gig because you just look like a cowboy? You don't identify as a cowboy. You're not the cowboy type, but you do. If I'm just looking at you and you walk into a room, I'm like, that guy, I can make that person a cowboy. He identifies as a giant then. Yeah, yeah.
That's the way that goes with Hispanic families. Did you get the Yellowstone gig because you just look like a cowboy? You don't identify as a cowboy. You're not the cowboy type, but you do. If I'm just looking at you and you walk into a room, I'm like, that guy, I can make that person a cowboy. He identifies as a giant then. Yeah, yeah.
Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
What has been the experience on Lioness? It's a weird time in Hollywood. Season two is out now on Paramount+. What has been the experience being involved with the new hit series, Lioness?
What has been the experience on Lioness? It's a weird time in Hollywood. Season two is out now on Paramount+. What has been the experience being involved with the new hit series, Lioness?
He chose the bad one. Yeah, he chose the one. Of all the good ones that were there, he rejected all of them and decided to go with that one. You ain't lying. Oh, there you go.
He chose the bad one. Yeah, he chose the one. Of all the good ones that were there, he rejected all of them and decided to go with that one. You ain't lying. Oh, there you go.
Lots of machine guns here. Lots of spies. That's all you need, right, in order to get him interested in any of this stuff? So no lions. You just need some special ops. I don't think there are lions. He's so disappointed. Yeah, he seems upset about that. Can you take us through what your Mets experience was this year? Obviously it was better than a lot of years, but it still ends in heartbreak.
Lots of machine guns here. Lots of spies. That's all you need, right, in order to get him interested in any of this stuff? So no lions. You just need some special ops. I don't think there are lions. He's so disappointed. Yeah, he seems upset about that. Can you take us through what your Mets experience was this year? Obviously it was better than a lot of years, but it still ends in heartbreak.
Fans love to identify with grit. Fans love when their teams are gritty. You also love this, Stugatz. Listen to this description. Lioness is about a CIA special ops team led by former military specialists willing to make the ultimate sacrifice of their lives for their country. And it will plays Dr. Neil McNamara, pediatric oncology surgeon and husband to Joe, a doctor.
Fans love to identify with grit. Fans love when their teams are gritty. You also love this, Stugatz. Listen to this description. Lioness is about a CIA special ops team led by former military specialists willing to make the ultimate sacrifice of their lives for their country. And it will plays Dr. Neil McNamara, pediatric oncology surgeon and husband to Joe, a doctor.
It's exceptional hair. You also look a bit like Ryan Reynolds if he had more gray hair. Yeah, if you were older.
It's exceptional hair. You also look a bit like Ryan Reynolds if he had more gray hair. Yeah, if you were older.
Yo, this is Dave from the 336. James Harden makes me embarrassed to have a beard.
Yo, this is Dave from the 336. James Harden makes me embarrassed to have a beard.
Hey Leute, hier ist Josh von North Carolina. Ich... Ich muss das nochmal machen.
Hey Leute, hier ist Josh von North Carolina. Ich... Ich muss das nochmal machen.
It's up to the government to fix a broken healthcare system, but in the meantime, how about we don't commit cold-blooded murder against the guy heading a healthcare system? I hate any attempt to justify this murder on any level, okay? Even if you hate Big Pharma, even if you're being charged 500 bucks for a pill that should cost 10. It doesn't justify this murder.
It's up to the government to fix a broken healthcare system, but in the meantime, how about we don't commit cold-blooded murder against the guy heading a healthcare system? I hate any attempt to justify this murder on any level, okay? Even if you hate Big Pharma, even if you're being charged 500 bucks for a pill that should cost 10. It doesn't justify this murder.
And I hate any implication that it does. I guarantee you this. When the alleged murderer is up on trial, there's going to be no mitigating factor here. The jury is not going to say, well, he killed someone who is head of United Healthcare, so let's be light on him. Das wird nicht passieren und es sollte nicht. Und ich entschuldige mich, das ist keine Frage.
And I hate any implication that it does. I guarantee you this. When the alleged murderer is up on trial, there's going to be no mitigating factor here. The jury is not going to say, well, he killed someone who is head of United Healthcare, so let's be light on him. Das wird nicht passieren und es sollte nicht. Und ich entschuldige mich, das ist keine Frage.
Nun, weil ich so viel Justifikation für diesen dreckigen, kohlenblutigen Mord höre. Egal, wer die Gefährtin ist, lassen wir es nicht auf irgendeinem Niveau justizieren.
Nun, weil ich so viel Justifikation für diesen dreckigen, kohlenblutigen Mord höre. Egal, wer die Gefährtin ist, lassen wir es nicht auf irgendeinem Niveau justizieren.
We have old but youthful looking Dave Barry to talk about his holiday gift guide.
We have old but youthful looking Dave Barry to talk about his holiday gift guide.
It's a staple. It's wonderful. He always comes up with crazy gifts that are both horrifying and delightful at the same time.
It's a staple. It's wonderful. He always comes up with crazy gifts that are both horrifying and delightful at the same time.
Ja, na, das ist nicht, was ich höre. from America right now. I'm hearing justification. Rationalization. On the other hand. A lot of people talk about, well, on this hand I see this.
Ja, na, das ist nicht, was ich höre. from America right now. I'm hearing justification. Rationalization. On the other hand. A lot of people talk about, well, on this hand I see this.
Yeah, he's really good.
Yeah, he's really good.
Der Fugitiv hatte nur einen Arm.
Der Fugitiv hatte nur einen Arm.
Okay, ja, alles klar. Ich dachte nicht, dass Mina simpsoniert aussieht. Ich dachte nicht, dass Mina simpsoniert aussieht.
Okay, ja, alles klar. Ich dachte nicht, dass Mina simpsoniert aussieht. Ich dachte nicht, dass Mina simpsoniert aussieht.
The last 30 seconds?
The last 30 seconds?
Well, whimsy apparently I offered, since I whimsically parasailed in. I mean, I don't know what I'm going to offer. You're talking about caricature. Nobody looks good as a Simpson character.
Well, whimsy apparently I offered, since I whimsically parasailed in. I mean, I don't know what I'm going to offer. You're talking about caricature. Nobody looks good as a Simpson character.
is pretty nice right now.
is pretty nice right now.
Es war schrecklich, weil ich Dallas gewonnen habe. Ich habe sie für meinen Upset in der Miami Herald gewonnen. Ich hatte es. Ich hatte es. Dallas hätte das Spiel gewonnen. Wie schießt man das auf einen Punt? Wie wendest du dich nicht mit einem Ball nach einem Blockpunt? Ich habe das in Jahren noch nicht gesehen. Ich weiß nicht, wann ich das letzte Mal gesehen habe. Es war überraschend.
Es war schrecklich, weil ich Dallas gewonnen habe. Ich habe sie für meinen Upset in der Miami Herald gewonnen. Ich hatte es. Ich hatte es. Dallas hätte das Spiel gewonnen. Wie schießt man das auf einen Punt? Wie wendest du dich nicht mit einem Ball nach einem Blockpunt? Ich habe das in Jahren noch nicht gesehen. Ich weiß nicht, wann ich das letzte Mal gesehen habe. Es war überraschend.
Jerry Jones sollte den Mann auf den Spot getroffen haben. Jemand, der den Ball getroffen hat, ich erinnere mich nicht an seinen Namen, Jerry Jones sollte von seiner Schuhe runtergegangen sein, auf die Seite gehen, auf den Feld und den Mann getroffen haben, der den Ball getroffen hat.
Jerry Jones sollte den Mann auf den Spot getroffen haben. Jemand, der den Ball getroffen hat, ich erinnere mich nicht an seinen Namen, Jerry Jones sollte von seiner Schuhe runtergegangen sein, auf die Seite gehen, auf den Feld und den Mann getroffen haben, der den Ball getroffen hat.
Ich habe es entwickelt. Es geht fantastisch. Meine Frau und ich bleiben heute Abend zuhause. Wir schauen die Debatte auf TV. Wir werden etwas Spezielles für den Abend machen. Es ist ein schöner Tag für mich so weit.
Ich habe es entwickelt. Es geht fantastisch. Meine Frau und ich bleiben heute Abend zuhause. Wir schauen die Debatte auf TV. Wir werden etwas Spezielles für den Abend machen. Es ist ein schöner Tag für mich so weit.
No, this is a thorough search. I look to my right and I just happen to see the open closet where they keep all the guns, hundreds of guns and shotguns in case something happens at the prison. You make it through that. You're still not in the prison yet. You come out and you are now between the fences.
No, this is a thorough search. I look to my right and I just happen to see the open closet where they keep all the guns, hundreds of guns and shotguns in case something happens at the prison. You make it through that. You're still not in the prison yet. You come out and you are now between the fences.
And it's perfectly aligned with the gun towers because they need to have a clean shot if someone makes it through that fence.
And it's perfectly aligned with the gun towers because they need to have a clean shot if someone makes it through that fence.
It's the people inside screaming at each other, yelling everything under the sun. That's really when you're like, man, is it too late to turn back? And then the strangest thing happened. The room that they took us to to interview Charles is where families go. And so you turn after this giant steel door closes, and you're like, what am I doing?
It's the people inside screaming at each other, yelling everything under the sun. That's really when you're like, man, is it too late to turn back? And then the strangest thing happened. The room that they took us to to interview Charles is where families go. And so you turn after this giant steel door closes, and you're like, what am I doing?
You can't stop scrolling. This is William Prince Davis, prisoner number 614. He was executed on September 4th, 1999. His last statement was, quote, I just thank the Lord for all that he has done for me. That is all. That is all I have to say, warden. Oh, and I would just like to say in closing, what about those cowboys?
You can't stop scrolling. This is William Prince Davis, prisoner number 614. He was executed on September 4th, 1999. His last statement was, quote, I just thank the Lord for all that he has done for me. That is all. That is all I have to say, warden. Oh, and I would just like to say in closing, what about those cowboys?
You turn, you go into the room, and the walls are painted with cartoon characters. And I'm staring at Cookie Monster, My Little Pony, SpongeBob SquarePants, and I'm like, wow, we really are down a rabbit hole.
You turn, you go into the room, and the walls are painted with cartoon characters. And I'm staring at Cookie Monster, My Little Pony, SpongeBob SquarePants, and I'm like, wow, we really are down a rabbit hole.
I'm starting to get into my thoughts, right? And it's starting to spiral. And then Charles comes in.
I'm starting to get into my thoughts, right? And it's starting to spiral. And then Charles comes in.
Okay, okay. And we sort of make eye contact. We kind of say hello through the glass.
Okay, okay. And we sort of make eye contact. We kind of say hello through the glass.
Okay. You guys want me to let the phones hang or leave them here? And Charles kind of saves me because it's clear that he wants to talk football. I looked at the Cowboys' schedule before we came over here, and I noticed, okay, they play the Texans. Is it like week? I think it's 11. Okay. Week 11. Week 11. Yes. Charles grew up big. You can tell that from the clips that we're watching.
Okay. You guys want me to let the phones hang or leave them here? And Charles kind of saves me because it's clear that he wants to talk football. I looked at the Cowboys' schedule before we came over here, and I noticed, okay, they play the Texans. Is it like week? I think it's 11. Okay. Week 11. Week 11. Yes. Charles grew up big. You can tell that from the clips that we're watching.
Was an offensive and defensive lineman in middle school. And the first thing he wants to talk about is the Cowboys-Texans game on Monday night, of course.
Was an offensive and defensive lineman in middle school. And the first thing he wants to talk about is the Cowboys-Texans game on Monday night, of course.
His cell, smaller than this studio, 9 by 12. It's probably...
His cell, smaller than this studio, 9 by 12. It's probably...
Some of the death row cells are actually as small as 60 square feet. And they are in there 23 hours a day without exception.
Some of the death row cells are actually as small as 60 square feet. And they are in there 23 hours a day without exception.
He described the two vertical windows, thin windows with the mesh screen on those grates, those vertical grates at the front of his cell. And basically they have to go there and sort of put an eye between the grate to see the community television that, by the way, just showed up a couple of years ago.
He described the two vertical windows, thin windows with the mesh screen on those grates, those vertical grates at the front of his cell. And basically they have to go there and sort of put an eye between the grate to see the community television that, by the way, just showed up a couple of years ago.
The fact that it's his legal papers that he's using to help him with his sports fandom, it's perfect. It is quaint in a way.
The fact that it's his legal papers that he's using to help him with his sports fandom, it's perfect. It is quaint in a way.
No, no, there's a shockingly large amount of death row prisoners who used that final opportunity to shout out their favorite sports teams.
No, no, there's a shockingly large amount of death row prisoners who used that final opportunity to shout out their favorite sports teams.
I don't want to overstep or anything like that, but basically my question was, Trash talk could be dangerous, can it? In a prison? I mean, it's like, I'm not going to trash talk anybody. And he had a really interesting explanation for that.
I don't want to overstep or anything like that, but basically my question was, Trash talk could be dangerous, can it? In a prison? I mean, it's like, I'm not going to trash talk anybody. And he had a really interesting explanation for that.
Is that scary? I mean, you're talking trash with, you could be talking trash with some pretty bad dudes, right?
Is that scary? I mean, you're talking trash with, you could be talking trash with some pretty bad dudes, right?
Right? It was kind of like, it was like he's, it's just classic Cowboys fan. Almost more so, almost more pure.
Right? It was kind of like, it was like he's, it's just classic Cowboys fan. Almost more so, almost more pure.
It's kind of like what we were just talking about. It's like every other fan, right? There's a whole ritual.
It's kind of like what we were just talking about. It's like every other fan, right? There's a whole ritual.
And is that something you guys are like, okay, what are we going to eat?
And is that something you guys are like, okay, what are we going to eat?
Okay.
Okay.
He's as proud of the food and the tailgate, right, as any Georgia Bulldog fan, as any LSU tailgater.
He's as proud of the food and the tailgate, right, as any Georgia Bulldog fan, as any LSU tailgater.
Right. That's an incredible thing to be on death row. And it's like, oh, my God, there's no difference.
Right. That's an incredible thing to be on death row. And it's like, oh, my God, there's no difference.
Oh, we went there. How did you guys even draft players, though? Or how do you—is it all through the window?
Oh, we went there. How did you guys even draft players, though? Or how do you—is it all through the window?
I always thought that fishing thing was in movies.
I always thought that fishing thing was in movies.
It's real. It's real. And they're not using it for anything nefarious. They're using it to submit their fantasy football lineup.
It's real. It's real. And they're not using it for anything nefarious. They're using it to submit their fantasy football lineup.
I think your initial reaction was the same as mine, which is just sports means too much. This is crazy. Why wouldn't you talk about the victim or your families or regrets or anything like that? You're going to shout out the Cowboys? It's like... what does sports really mean to people? Right.
I think your initial reaction was the same as mine, which is just sports means too much. This is crazy. Why wouldn't you talk about the victim or your families or regrets or anything like that? You're going to shout out the Cowboys? It's like... what does sports really mean to people? Right.
Right, and just enjoying this conversation, one fantasy football player to another, and you sort of get lost in that, you forget where you are, and then there's this gut punch. What happened to your league?
Right, and just enjoying this conversation, one fantasy football player to another, and you sort of get lost in that, you forget where you are, and then there's this gut punch. What happened to your league?
The conversation kind of lured us into, oh, we're all the same. This is all the same. It's like, no, we're not. His has one very dreadful, awful difference.
The conversation kind of lured us into, oh, we're all the same. This is all the same. It's like, no, we're not. His has one very dreadful, awful difference.
You know, one of the things in our early emails that we exchanged was this memory he had of springing the game-winning touchdown with a great block when he was in eighth grade. And he mentioned that writing about that little detail of his football career still gave him chills 40 years later. The other detail that he added that I loved was he wore 79 in honor of Harvey Martin, the cowboy great.
You know, one of the things in our early emails that we exchanged was this memory he had of springing the game-winning touchdown with a great block when he was in eighth grade. And he mentioned that writing about that little detail of his football career still gave him chills 40 years later. The other detail that he added that I loved was he wore 79 in honor of Harvey Martin, the cowboy great.
It was a ritual. Go to church, come home, gather around the TV, root on the Cowboys.
It was a ritual. Go to church, come home, gather around the TV, root on the Cowboys.
How do they even have access to sports? Right. How can they be Cowboys fans and Raiders fans? Are they arguing about Dak Prescott? Right. Are they playing fantasy football? Are they, is there trash talk?
How do they even have access to sports? Right. How can they be Cowboys fans and Raiders fans? Are they arguing about Dak Prescott? Right. Are they playing fantasy football? Are they, is there trash talk?
That deep connection to the Cowboys, it sort of, it continued once Charles was put on death row.
That deep connection to the Cowboys, it sort of, it continued once Charles was put on death row.
It gets sadder because he's been there so long now. Both his parents, that ritual is gone now because both of his parents have passed away. And as you listen to Charles, you understand that with his parents gone, that's just made sports all the more important to Charles and his survival on death row.
It gets sadder because he's been there so long now. Both his parents, that ritual is gone now because both of his parents have passed away. And as you listen to Charles, you understand that with his parents gone, that's just made sports all the more important to Charles and his survival on death row.
There are websites, there are databases where they will connect you to be a pen pal to people in prison, especially to people on death row who are exceptionally isolated usually. You get to look at their bio, sort of what their crime was when they were put in prison, what are their interests. And, you know, I came across a guy who had potential.
There are websites, there are databases where they will connect you to be a pen pal to people in prison, especially to people on death row who are exceptionally isolated usually. You get to look at their bio, sort of what their crime was when they were put in prison, what are their interests. And, you know, I came across a guy who had potential.
The way I interpreted what he was saying was he lives in a way where 24 hours a day, seven days a week, someone's trying to kill him. That's the white noise of his life. He doesn't know when it's going to happen, but that's the stress that he lives under.
The way I interpreted what he was saying was he lives in a way where 24 hours a day, seven days a week, someone's trying to kill him. That's the white noise of his life. He doesn't know when it's going to happen, but that's the stress that he lives under.
And so the line about how maybe the crazy ones are the ones who continue to live on death row and the sane ones are the ones who check out by committing suicide. I mean, if there's a better way to explain the insanity and the pressure that they live under, I haven't read it.
And so the line about how maybe the crazy ones are the ones who continue to live on death row and the sane ones are the ones who check out by committing suicide. I mean, if there's a better way to explain the insanity and the pressure that they live under, I haven't read it.
It's just amazing that one day two of these prisoners were talking and they were like, maybe we're the crazy ones because we've adapted to live like this.
It's just amazing that one day two of these prisoners were talking and they were like, maybe we're the crazy ones because we've adapted to live like this.
Yeah, we can survive in this situation. It's stunning.
Yeah, we can survive in this situation. It's stunning.
Yeah, that was the whole point of this exercise, right? Is to find out why someone would love sports that much that they would include it in their last words. And... Before even leaving on this assignment, I shared this database with an anthropologist in Chicago. Her name is Dr. Shannon Lee Doughty. And she is an expert in death rituals. And I just wanted to get her opinion on it.
Yeah, that was the whole point of this exercise, right? Is to find out why someone would love sports that much that they would include it in their last words. And... Before even leaving on this assignment, I shared this database with an anthropologist in Chicago. Her name is Dr. Shannon Lee Doughty. And she is an expert in death rituals. And I just wanted to get her opinion on it.
And I really, at this point, asked her in almost a flippant way about get a load of these death row inmates who are using their last words for sports shout-outs. she immediately connected it to this concept called social death.
And I really, at this point, asked her in almost a flippant way about get a load of these death row inmates who are using their last words for sports shout-outs. she immediately connected it to this concept called social death.
I wanted to go get Charles' opinion and his thoughts on his own last words. Yes. But it turns out he and his attorney, you know, they don't want him to be seen as somebody who is contemplating being executed.
I wanted to go get Charles' opinion and his thoughts on his own last words. Yes. But it turns out he and his attorney, you know, they don't want him to be seen as somebody who is contemplating being executed.
He was a lifelong Cowboys fan, grew up in Fort Worth. His dad was in the Air Force. They had a family ritual of going to church every Sunday and then coming home and sitting down in front of the TV to watch the Cowboys. You know, you just kind of knew right away. It was like, okay, this guy is a legit sports fan.
He was a lifelong Cowboys fan, grew up in Fort Worth. His dad was in the Air Force. They had a family ritual of going to church every Sunday and then coming home and sitting down in front of the TV to watch the Cowboys. You know, you just kind of knew right away. It was like, okay, this guy is a legit sports fan.
There's a saying, there's always next year.
There's a saying, there's always next year.
But for you, the future's uncertain.
But for you, the future's uncertain.
There isn't always next year, I guess.
There isn't always next year, I guess.
So if you predict it every year, eventually you'll be right.
So if you predict it every year, eventually you'll be right.
One of the first things that you and I talked about was the trend of inmates shouting out their teams with their last words. And it seemed like that was something you could understand, right? Because of the connection to sports?
One of the first things that you and I talked about was the trend of inmates shouting out their teams with their last words. And it seemed like that was something you could understand, right? Because of the connection to sports?
I mean, Charles, again, gives just the most incredible insight. It's the sort of thing you just want to sit with. Yeah. For a while. Yep. You know. Unfortunately, we had reached the end of our hour and they were very strict about it. I got a 10 minute warning. Right. And so here we are just sort of. The clock again ticking on this. Yes, exactly.
I mean, Charles, again, gives just the most incredible insight. It's the sort of thing you just want to sit with. Yeah. For a while. Yep. You know. Unfortunately, we had reached the end of our hour and they were very strict about it. I got a 10 minute warning. Right. And so here we are just sort of. The clock again ticking on this. Yes, exactly.
And now we're packing up and he has to wait for a guard then to re-cuff him, hand back the wireless mic, and take him back to his 23 hours of isolation. And so we can't talk anymore, but Charles is sitting there watching us pack up.
And now we're packing up and he has to wait for a guard then to re-cuff him, hand back the wireless mic, and take him back to his 23 hours of isolation. And so we can't talk anymore, but Charles is sitting there watching us pack up.
And that was as close as we all came to getting emotional and even crying because the look on Charles' face, and I know he was trying to hide this, was just a look of like, you guys get to leave. He's imagining that we get to leave. The look on his face is easily one of the saddest things that I've ever experienced on this job in 30 years.
And that was as close as we all came to getting emotional and even crying because the look on Charles' face, and I know he was trying to hide this, was just a look of like, you guys get to leave. He's imagining that we get to leave. The look on his face is easily one of the saddest things that I've ever experienced on this job in 30 years.
We correspond back and forth over several weeks. I would say about half a dozen emails in. This guy just said, well, if you're so interested in talking, why don't you just come to Texas and we'll talk in person?
We correspond back and forth over several weeks. I would say about half a dozen emails in. This guy just said, well, if you're so interested in talking, why don't you just come to Texas and we'll talk in person?
And it got to the point where I couldn't look at him anymore. because you just feel so helpless and you just feel so much empathy for this other human being and the situation that he's in. in the strangest place, under the worst conditions, through sports, we've kind of bridged this disconnect. And trying to face that moment again, I went back and listened to the tapes.
And it got to the point where I couldn't look at him anymore. because you just feel so helpless and you just feel so much empathy for this other human being and the situation that he's in. in the strangest place, under the worst conditions, through sports, we've kind of bridged this disconnect. And trying to face that moment again, I went back and listened to the tapes.
And I realized that as my mic is cut, Charles is still live. And so you can hear him. Will you listen? He's talking to the guard that comes to escort him back, and he's wondering how the interview went, and talking about the Cowboys.
And I realized that as my mic is cut, Charles is still live. And so you can hear him. Will you listen? He's talking to the guard that comes to escort him back, and he's wondering how the interview went, and talking about the Cowboys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you can hear him physically exchanging our microphone for the clinking and clanking of the handcuffs.
And you can hear him physically exchanging our microphone for the clinking and clanking of the handcuffs.
And that is another really sort of profound moment of... It's over. We all have to go back to our normal lives.
And that is another really sort of profound moment of... It's over. We all have to go back to our normal lives.
Pablo, it was my pleasure, and I'm glad we went.
Pablo, it was my pleasure, and I'm glad we went.
Yes, and the next thing I know, I'm on a plane to Texas.
Yes, and the next thing I know, I'm on a plane to Texas.
His name is Charles Flores. In 1999, at the age of 29, he was sentenced to death for his role in a burglary in the town of Farmers Branch, Texas, which is near Irving, which is actually where the Cowboys, their whole facility is. It's their headquarters. Yes. During this burglary, a 64-year-old woman named Betty Black was killed.
His name is Charles Flores. In 1999, at the age of 29, he was sentenced to death for his role in a burglary in the town of Farmers Branch, Texas, which is near Irving, which is actually where the Cowboys, their whole facility is. It's their headquarters. Yes. During this burglary, a 64-year-old woman named Betty Black was killed.
And Charles was then convicted for being an accomplice to that murder, which was part of the burglary. He was then sentenced to death row, where he has been for the last 25 years. And the default in Texas is solitary confinement for death row prisoners for up to 23 hours a day.
And Charles was then convicted for being an accomplice to that murder, which was part of the burglary. He was then sentenced to death row, where he has been for the last 25 years. And the default in Texas is solitary confinement for death row prisoners for up to 23 hours a day.
He was not the gunman and was never accused of being the gunman. There is no DNA evidence linking him to the crime whatsoever. Charles has always maintained his innocence and he's actually provided an alibi for the night of the burglary and the murder. But that's not even the craziest part of this whole story. The craziest part is that the actual gunman, Richard Childs,
He was not the gunman and was never accused of being the gunman. There is no DNA evidence linking him to the crime whatsoever. Charles has always maintained his innocence and he's actually provided an alibi for the night of the burglary and the murder. But that's not even the craziest part of this whole story. The craziest part is that the actual gunman, Richard Childs,
He pled guilty immediately. He served 17 years of a 35-year sentence. And as we speak right now, he is free and out of prison. He's a free man. He was actually released in 2016, right about the same time that Charles got his execution date from the state of Texas.
He pled guilty immediately. He served 17 years of a 35-year sentence. And as we speak right now, he is free and out of prison. He's a free man. He was actually released in 2016, right about the same time that Charles got his execution date from the state of Texas.
Right. If you are part of a felony, it's like everybody pulled the trigger.
Right. If you are part of a felony, it's like everybody pulled the trigger.
It started with me coming across a website, a database, where you can read the final last statements of every prisoner that's been executed by the state of Texas. Me being me, I went down that rabbit hole, started reading them. It is a gut-wrenching, awful, exhausting experience.
It started with me coming across a website, a database, where you can read the final last statements of every prisoner that's been executed by the state of Texas. Me being me, I went down that rabbit hole, started reading them. It is a gut-wrenching, awful, exhausting experience.
So this woman comes out of hypnosis. They draw a composite sketch. It looks like the guy who actually pulled the trigger and admitted pulling the trigger. Skinny, white, long hair. Charles is heavyset, Hispanic, and he had a buzz cut at the time.
So this woman comes out of hypnosis. They draw a composite sketch. It looks like the guy who actually pulled the trigger and admitted pulling the trigger. Skinny, white, long hair. Charles is heavyset, Hispanic, and he had a buzz cut at the time.
So it wasn't until 13 months later in a court when the woman said, oh yeah, there he is. That's who she pointed out as being at the scene of the crime.
So it wasn't until 13 months later in a court when the woman said, oh yeah, there he is. That's who she pointed out as being at the scene of the crime.
He was into some bad stuff, and he admits that. What we're saying is, it's very clear that at the very least, he doesn't deserve to be on death row or in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day for a quarter century.
He was into some bad stuff, and he admits that. What we're saying is, it's very clear that at the very least, he doesn't deserve to be on death row or in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day for a quarter century.
Yeah, I had to go to the Polonsky Unit in Livingston, Texas, which is a notorious prison, always ranked as one of the most dangerous, worst prisons in the world. There are all kinds of hoops that you have to go through, right? You have to submit to a background check. You have to agree to all these restrictions. You are allowed exactly one hour of rolling cameras.
Yeah, I had to go to the Polonsky Unit in Livingston, Texas, which is a notorious prison, always ranked as one of the most dangerous, worst prisons in the world. There are all kinds of hoops that you have to go through, right? You have to submit to a background check. You have to agree to all these restrictions. You are allowed exactly one hour of rolling cameras.
You have to submit a list of every piece of equipment down to pen and paper. So I was kind of freaking the f*** out and wondering why I couldn't go to the Family Feud or smoke celebrity weed. Like,
You have to submit a list of every piece of equipment down to pen and paper. So I was kind of freaking the f*** out and wondering why I couldn't go to the Family Feud or smoke celebrity weed. Like,
Where this really got real for me was when right before we arrived, they reminded us nobody can wear white. And that's because that's what the death row inmates wear. They're required to wear white. And so you step in and the first thing that happens in this guard shack, you get a big boy search.
Where this really got real for me was when right before we arrived, they reminded us nobody can wear white. And that's because that's what the death row inmates wear. They're required to wear white. And so you step in and the first thing that happens in this guard shack, you get a big boy search.
And you don't have to kick yourself, I think, because the way it worked out with Dave being the only one who knew final.
And you don't have to kick yourself, I think, because the way it worked out with Dave being the only one who knew final.
Well, you made small wagers on, at least you ended up knowing, on Nero.
Well, you made small wagers on, at least you ended up knowing, on Nero.
Oh, my God. The greatest F-bomb of all time. Dude takes a puck in the eye.
Oh, my God. The greatest F-bomb of all time. Dude takes a puck in the eye.
Yeah, like, is he sitting around one day, and he says, hey, hon, let's watch the video I took on my phone from last year at Pearl Jam. Like, let's relive this.
Yeah, like, is he sitting around one day, and he says, hey, hon, let's watch the video I took on my phone from last year at Pearl Jam. Like, let's relive this.
Yeah, that's true. I mean, you know, it's Friday.
Yeah, that's true. I mean, you know, it's Friday.
Yeah, right, right, right. No, I thought he was. I didn't know that there's a scenario where he wouldn't be best behavior. I've been out with Dan before, not a ton. But I didn't know there's a scenario where he's not best behavior.
Yeah, right, right, right. No, I thought he was. I didn't know that there's a scenario where he wouldn't be best behavior. I've been out with Dan before, not a ton. But I didn't know there's a scenario where he's not best behavior.
He follows directions. My eyes are closed.
He follows directions. My eyes are closed.
Can somebody explain? I'm new here. Can somebody explain to me? I tell you. Don't look now.
Can somebody explain? I'm new here. Can somebody explain to me? I tell you. Don't look now.
Yeah, Shadur, like there was, for a while, especially during this football season, there seemed to be like this romance between the Raiders and Shadur Sanders. And then it just kind of went, poof, I don't know. It's not there anymore. So I think Shadur will be a fantastic fit with the Raiders.
Yeah, Shadur, like there was, for a while, especially during this football season, there seemed to be like this romance between the Raiders and Shadur Sanders. And then it just kind of went, poof, I don't know. It's not there anymore. So I think Shadur will be a fantastic fit with the Raiders.
Well, yeah, like I'm very awake, you know.
Well, yeah, like I'm very awake, you know.
Like I'm holding my eyes closed. They want it open because I'm awake. I'm jacked up.
Like I'm holding my eyes closed. They want it open because I'm awake. I'm jacked up.
No, my eyes are closed. Oh, okay.
No, my eyes are closed. Oh, okay.
I saw a preview of this recently. Yes. North of that.
I saw a preview of this recently. Yes. North of that.
I can't tell, is it a documentary or? No, it's an actual sitcom.
I can't tell, is it a documentary or? No, it's an actual sitcom.
I think you did fine.
I think you did fine.
You did fine. It's the people who live in the super cold, right?
You did fine. It's the people who live in the super cold, right?
Well but you say that like as if that means they don't get tired.
Well but you say that like as if that means they don't get tired.
So what do they just tell their team, hey, for the next couple of weeks, bedtime is 10 a.m.?
So what do they just tell their team, hey, for the next couple of weeks, bedtime is 10 a.m.?
Wow. Is this show funny? I've seen a preview for it.
Wow. Is this show funny? I've seen a preview for it.
It's not.
It's not.
It's a finite amount of time during the day. So this is worth your time.
It's a finite amount of time during the day. So this is worth your time.
There did feel like there was a momentum building to hold on. This may not go so well for him. I mean, heck, when we were talking to Diana yesterday, she made it sound like it was totally possible that he slips to the second round.
There did feel like there was a momentum building to hold on. This may not go so well for him. I mean, heck, when we were talking to Diana yesterday, she made it sound like it was totally possible that he slips to the second round.
This is worth your time as opposed to this show.
This is worth your time as opposed to this show.
You love the reviews. No problem. You love the challenges. You love the referees staring into the camera, giving their full explanation while everyone else is annoyed. I got time. You're good with it. Okay.
You love the reviews. No problem. You love the challenges. You love the referees staring into the camera, giving their full explanation while everyone else is annoyed. I got time. You're good with it. Okay.
How did that game turn out to be good? I mean, I was able to watch the whole fourth quarter. No, I understand. But remember, we were annoyed yesterday, right, because that game was TNT instead of the great game, Nuggets-Clippers being on NBA TV. Well, that game was hurrahful, and Grizzlies-Thunder at least had juice to it in the second half.
How did that game turn out to be good? I mean, I was able to watch the whole fourth quarter. No, I understand. But remember, we were annoyed yesterday, right, because that game was TNT instead of the great game, Nuggets-Clippers being on NBA TV. Well, that game was hurrahful, and Grizzlies-Thunder at least had juice to it in the second half.
No, I like ignoring that and just calling it cheating. Exactly right. Thank you. No. It ruins it. You can't. No, you're ruining it by saying it's neutral. Because it is. I'm making it fun saying that it's cheating by the whole team. Exactly right.
No, I like ignoring that and just calling it cheating. Exactly right. Thank you. No. It ruins it. You can't. No, you're ruining it by saying it's neutral. Because it is. I'm making it fun saying that it's cheating by the whole team. Exactly right.
Yeah, I want to watch that game... The fun is the illusion of possible cheating. I want to watch that game and say the Detroit Pistons timekeeper, he was cheating so that the Pistons can have an inbounds play and, by the way, an extra timeout to draw up a play... On the final play.
Yeah, I want to watch that game... The fun is the illusion of possible cheating. I want to watch that game and say the Detroit Pistons timekeeper, he was cheating so that the Pistons can have an inbounds play and, by the way, an extra timeout to draw up a play... On the final play.
Well, how about you don't have Jalen Dern throwing the ball? Bad play. You know, how about you have a guy who actually passes during the game to throw in the ball?
Well, how about you don't have Jalen Dern throwing the ball? Bad play. You know, how about you have a guy who actually passes during the game to throw in the ball?
Wow, look at the big memory on David.
Wow, look at the big memory on David.
I wonder if the Knick fan is mad about that. You're obviously super pleased if you're a Knick fan today. But if Carl Anthony Towns did any of that in the second half of Game 2, or even just the fourth quarter of Game 2... You're probably up 3-0. Nick Van's happy today, for sure, but it's probably a little bit of... Where has this guy been?
I wonder if the Knick fan is mad about that. You're obviously super pleased if you're a Knick fan today. But if Carl Anthony Towns did any of that in the second half of Game 2, or even just the fourth quarter of Game 2... You're probably up 3-0. Nick Van's happy today, for sure, but it's probably a little bit of... Where has this guy been?
I guess the explanation I would give to that, or at least my thought is, we would consider everything you just said, if not for there being a little bit of a history, we'll call Anthony Towns, in big moments, in big playoff games.
I guess the explanation I would give to that, or at least my thought is, we would consider everything you just said, if not for there being a little bit of a history, we'll call Anthony Towns, in big moments, in big playoff games.
That was fully a salary decision.
That was fully a salary decision.
Everybody knows I love disclosures. Let's hear it.
Everybody knows I love disclosures. Let's hear it.
I would say a little bit of it depends on who you are inviting to your party. If your party is all of your family and closest friends. No, you'd like to be around the people that care about you and you care about if things don't go well. Maybe you want to be around people who you love. But if it's a whole sponsors, that kind of deal, you may want to pull the plug on that because you're concerned.
I would say a little bit of it depends on who you are inviting to your party. If your party is all of your family and closest friends. No, you'd like to be around the people that care about you and you care about if things don't go well. Maybe you want to be around people who you love. But if it's a whole sponsors, that kind of deal, you may want to pull the plug on that because you're concerned.
Well, and this is it for the Knicks, too, because it's not like they... There's no real moves to be made if this doesn't work. Like, if they don't believe they're a championship team, they have no more assets. They traded them all, obviously, for Mikel Bridges. You got a money situation where you're paying guys a ton of money. Like, this is their team, so it needs to work.
Well, and this is it for the Knicks, too, because it's not like they... There's no real moves to be made if this doesn't work. Like, if they don't believe they're a championship team, they have no more assets. They traded them all, obviously, for Mikel Bridges. You got a money situation where you're paying guys a ton of money. Like, this is their team, so it needs to work.
But how many Eastern teams are out of them? Just the Cavs and Boston.
But how many Eastern teams are out of them? Just the Cavs and Boston.
It's my favorite thing, though, about these NBA playoffs. Like, think about where we were in that Denver Clippers series after the first game. It's like, this is going to be a seven-game series. This is going to be amazing. And now, I mean, does anyone think Denver's going to win another game this series?
It's my favorite thing, though, about these NBA playoffs. Like, think about where we were in that Denver Clippers series after the first game. It's like, this is going to be a seven-game series. This is going to be amazing. And now, I mean, does anyone think Denver's going to win another game this series?
Yes.
Yes.
Well, I think that's why Shiderding want to go to the draft.
Well, I think that's why Shiderding want to go to the draft.
Because you know the television cameras would have loved nothing more than let's keep showing Shadur every pick that is not him.
Because you know the television cameras would have loved nothing more than let's keep showing Shadur every pick that is not him.
But it doesn't happen very often where a guy who had the hype that Shadur Sanders did. It wasn't that long ago in the college football season, this past season, where it was a real thought that number one and two in the draft is Shadur Sanders and Travis Hunter. And for him to fall totally out of the first round—by the way, for intrigue and dramatic purposes—
But it doesn't happen very often where a guy who had the hype that Shadur Sanders did. It wasn't that long ago in the college football season, this past season, where it was a real thought that number one and two in the draft is Shadur Sanders and Travis Hunter. And for him to fall totally out of the first round—by the way, for intrigue and dramatic purposes—
I like it because, man, tonight's exciting again. I thought it was the biggest story going into the draft yesterday. Where is Shadur going to go? And now we get the same story going into tonight. Tonight is super interesting.
I like it because, man, tonight's exciting again. I thought it was the biggest story going into the draft yesterday. Where is Shadur going to go? And now we get the same story going into tonight. Tonight is super interesting.
Total hyping of a player. What about the media? Yeah, I'm not going to blame the media. I'm part of the media. I'm not going to blame the media, all right? But I do wonder how much... of Shadur Sanders was media hype. We know that the Sanders family, Colorado, everything going on there, Shadur is very, you know, braggadocious.
Total hyping of a player. What about the media? Yeah, I'm not going to blame the media. I'm part of the media. I'm not going to blame the media, all right? But I do wonder how much... of Shadur Sanders was media hype. We know that the Sanders family, Colorado, everything going on there, Shadur is very, you know, braggadocious.
Major, major ratings, numbers, clicks, all that stuff during the college football season. I do wonder how much of the hype around Shadur going into the draft, people thinking how great he is. I do wonder how much of that was a bit of a media creation.
Major, major ratings, numbers, clicks, all that stuff during the college football season. I do wonder how much of the hype around Shadur going into the draft, people thinking how great he is. I do wonder how much of that was a bit of a media creation.
I don't think... Well, I know. There's not another sport where... the team only cares about what can help them win. Like, the NFL, I feel like, is that sport. All the other stuff, don't care. Can he help us win? And certainly, Shigeru's not a bad character guy, no trouble off the field.
I don't think... Well, I know. There's not another sport where... the team only cares about what can help them win. Like, the NFL, I feel like, is that sport. All the other stuff, don't care. Can he help us win? And certainly, Shigeru's not a bad character guy, no trouble off the field.
If anything, I think he's high character, obviously super arrogant, but if anything, I think he's high character because, I don't know, for me, if Deion Sanders were my father, You grow up that way. I don't know that I'm working as hard as Shadur did to get to this point. So I think that's a sign of high character.
If anything, I think he's high character, obviously super arrogant, but if anything, I think he's high character because, I don't know, for me, if Deion Sanders were my father, You grow up that way. I don't know that I'm working as hard as Shadur did to get to this point. So I think that's a sign of high character.
But that's why I believe that it's a little bit, maybe it was a little bit of a media creation how good we thought he was. Because I don't think NFL teams are drawn away from, oh, he was very arrogant. You know, if he could help us win at the most important position in all of pro sports.
But that's why I believe that it's a little bit, maybe it was a little bit of a media creation how good we thought he was. Because I don't think NFL teams are drawn away from, oh, he was very arrogant. You know, if he could help us win at the most important position in all of pro sports.
But there are plenty like Heisman winning quarterbacks who amount to nothing.
But there are plenty like Heisman winning quarterbacks who amount to nothing.
Well, you're weighing the value of having him under contract for a fifth year instead of just four years versus keeping whatever draft capital you would have had to give up to move back in the first year. Right.
Well, you're weighing the value of having him under contract for a fifth year instead of just four years versus keeping whatever draft capital you would have had to give up to move back in the first year. Right.
I failed the test. Now, what do you like at concerts like tomorrow, David? Because I get worried about drinking too much and then I got to go to the bathroom during the show. I don't want to miss the show.
I failed the test. Now, what do you like at concerts like tomorrow, David? Because I get worried about drinking too much and then I got to go to the bathroom during the show. I don't want to miss the show.
Oh my God, it was so easy. What a great venue that place is. Great, great venue. Super convenient. Really fun. Because it's in Broward.
Oh my God, it was so easy. What a great venue that place is. Great, great venue. Super convenient. Really fun. Because it's in Broward.
Yep. Yep. And I don't get hammered at shows either because I want to be in the moment. I want to remember the night, you know? You're talking about meth, right? No. Do you take video? Good question. I'll take a couple of pictures right when the show starts, then the phone goes away. A selfie with the kid? Yes, of course. Just to create the memory? Of course. And then the phone goes away.
Yep. Yep. And I don't get hammered at shows either because I want to be in the moment. I want to remember the night, you know? You're talking about meth, right? No. Do you take video? Good question. I'll take a couple of pictures right when the show starts, then the phone goes away. A selfie with the kid? Yes, of course. Just to create the memory? Of course. And then the phone goes away.
I hate the recording. There were people in front of us last night. I think a guy in the row in front of us, a few seats down, I think he recorded the whole show.
I hate the recording. There were people in front of us last night. I think a guy in the row in front of us, a few seats down, I think he recorded the whole show.
Yo, this is Dave from the 336. James Harden makes me embarrassed to have a beard.
Hey Leute, hier ist Josh von North Carolina. Ich... Ich muss das nochmal machen.
And he was in leadership for, he trained me from nothing in construction, construction renovators. And he also actually introduced me to the gospel of Jesus Christ and the true gospel. And so, sorry, I'm running here. But when he was in the place of leadership, when it would go up and down, I was just along for the ride.
And he was in leadership for, he trained me from nothing in construction, construction renovators. And he also actually introduced me to the gospel of Jesus Christ and the true gospel. And so, sorry, I'm running here. But when he was in the place of leadership, when it would go up and down, I was just along for the ride.
Once I became his business partner, then it affected me more and my reputation more because we were always changing. And now that he's stepped most of the way out of the company, it's left the company on my shoulders, and yet he's still involved. And I'm concerned that I have no idea what the next step is going to be because he might come back. He might step out completely.
Once I became his business partner, then it affected me more and my reputation more because we were always changing. And now that he's stepped most of the way out of the company, it's left the company on my shoulders, and yet he's still involved. And I'm concerned that I have no idea what the next step is going to be because he might come back. He might step out completely.
He might ask for profits. I have no idea.
He might ask for profits. I have no idea.
I can and I do, but it becomes a big argument every time.
I can and I do, but it becomes a big argument every time.
That's exactly correct.
That's exactly correct.
So I've, I've reached out to, I was given an offer from another company. Ah, okay. So I've reached out to him to accept the offer. He'll get back to me actually tomorrow. Okay. Um, So it's just how do I... So you're absolutely correct. I'm holding on to a friendship I had with this guy before his whole marriage and life crisis and before he changed. So you're absolutely correct.
So I've, I've reached out to, I was given an offer from another company. Ah, okay. So I've reached out to him to accept the offer. He'll get back to me actually tomorrow. Okay. Um, So it's just how do I... So you're absolutely correct. I'm holding on to a friendship I had with this guy before his whole marriage and life crisis and before he changed. So you're absolutely correct.
So it's just how do I respectfully and properly step out of the business side and also our real estate side, step out of that.
So it's just how do I respectfully and properly step out of the business side and also our real estate side, step out of that.
Only be tied into the church. I'm not leaving. I'm actually a musician, amateur musician. I'm not leaving the church at this point, but how do I respectfully step out without just blowing the whole thing up?
Only be tied into the church. I'm not leaving. I'm actually a musician, amateur musician. I'm not leaving the church at this point, but how do I respectfully step out without just blowing the whole thing up?
It's kind of a mess, sir.
It's kind of a mess, sir.
Nothing's on paper. It's a mess. It's a real mess.
Nothing's on paper. It's a mess. It's a real mess.
Because if you don't... The only advantage to the mess is my name is not really... I don't know how to describe it. I've never seen it anywhere else. Nothing's on paper. But because he's stepping out, my name is getting more and more onto the liability side. And we have a mess when it comes to our paperwork and so on, our taxes.
Because if you don't... The only advantage to the mess is my name is not really... I don't know how to describe it. I've never seen it anywhere else. Nothing's on paper. But because he's stepping out, my name is getting more and more onto the liability side. And we have a mess when it comes to our paperwork and so on, our taxes.
That's correct. So the plan is January 1st, I step out.
That's correct. So the plan is January 1st, I step out.
I know that.
I know that.
Nobody knows about this except for one close friend who won't mention it. Do you recommend that I just, I guess, quietly do the steps, separate our tools, kind of finish up the jobs and maybe let him know, like, just Christmas, Merry Christmas, I'm leaving. Would you recommend something like that or just go with my plan?
Nobody knows about this except for one close friend who won't mention it. Do you recommend that I just, I guess, quietly do the steps, separate our tools, kind of finish up the jobs and maybe let him know, like, just Christmas, Merry Christmas, I'm leaving. Would you recommend something like that or just go with my plan?
I know. That's the challenge. That's why I kind of have to talk now because it's going to get really, really basically a betrayal if I wait.
I know. That's the challenge. That's why I kind of have to talk now because it's going to get really, really basically a betrayal if I wait.
No, he's not that extreme. He's just going to try to convince me for the next three months every day to stay.
No, he's not that extreme. He's just going to try to convince me for the next three months every day to stay.
What's going on, man? Hey, in a bit of a tight spot with my partner. Okay, tell me about it. Well, he stepped out of the company. Oh, business partner.
What's going on, man? Hey, in a bit of a tight spot with my partner. Okay, tell me about it. Well, he stepped out of the company. Oh, business partner.
No, sorry, sir. Business partner. Okay. Best friend, previous roommate, fellow minister at church.
No, sorry, sir. Business partner. Okay. Best friend, previous roommate, fellow minister at church.
A lot of history. Before he was married, everything was super. It just has kind of gone downhill since he met his wife.
A lot of history. Before he was married, everything was super. It just has kind of gone downhill since he met his wife.
That's not really the issue. The issue is his personal life is going through. I mean, honestly, since the day he was married in 2019, I think it was 2019. Yeah. Since he was married, it's been a roller coaster for him. So because he's in a place of leadership, that creates a roller coaster for everybody else.
That's not really the issue. The issue is his personal life is going through. I mean, honestly, since the day he was married in 2019, I think it was 2019. Yeah. Since he was married, it's been a roller coaster for him. So because he's in a place of leadership, that creates a roller coaster for everybody else.
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Okay.
Okay.
And ever since then, it's been like waking up to a nightmare every day.
And ever since then, it's been like waking up to a nightmare every day.
It is a grenade, but she has been struggling, and she's been struggling with perimetopause. Okay. And I've been trying to do whatever I can, and we got her one of those tests. She's tried a few things, and she's just wildly unhappy in general. She's been unhappy for a long time?
It is a grenade, but she has been struggling, and she's been struggling with perimetopause. Okay. And I've been trying to do whatever I can, and we got her one of those tests. She's tried a few things, and she's just wildly unhappy in general. She's been unhappy for a long time?
That's what it seems like. Okay. But now it seems like it's just me.
That's what it seems like. Okay. But now it seems like it's just me.
You know, like, it's all pointed at me.
You know, like, it's all pointed at me.
she's moving swiftly. I mean, there's been no serving of papers because I told her we got to work it out and figure out how we're going to do this. We haven't told the kids yet, but she's looking at mortgages and townhouses and she's bopping around like, and I asked her about it yesterday and she said that, you know, what I don't see is that she's upset and she's, you know, whatever, but
she's moving swiftly. I mean, there's been no serving of papers because I told her we got to work it out and figure out how we're going to do this. We haven't told the kids yet, but she's looking at mortgages and townhouses and she's bopping around like, and I asked her about it yesterday and she said that, you know, what I don't see is that she's upset and she's, you know, whatever, but
She seems to be moving forward, and we were supposed to take a trip at the end of the month, her and her father and I, which is something we do, and I'm not going with. She's moving forward.
She seems to be moving forward, and we were supposed to take a trip at the end of the month, her and her father and I, which is something we do, and I'm not going with. She's moving forward.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and I've spoken to her over the years because I feel alone. She avoids me, and she'll go to bed at 8 o'clock and go upstairs. I'm going to bed, but then she'll go and watch TV or play on her phone or whatever it is. Just not do it with you. Right. I mean, she avoids me.
Well, and I've spoken to her over the years because I feel alone. She avoids me, and she'll go to bed at 8 o'clock and go upstairs. I'm going to bed, but then she'll go and watch TV or play on her phone or whatever it is. Just not do it with you. Right. I mean, she avoids me.
To the point where the kids even say something, and it's been happening for a while, where I'll go to hug her, just to hug for a minute, not just to love her, just to connect. And it'll always be like, oh, you're hugging me too tight, or I'm doing something, or whatever it is. And we've had those conversations, and every time we've had those, she's dismissed.
To the point where the kids even say something, and it's been happening for a while, where I'll go to hug her, just to hug for a minute, not just to love her, just to connect. And it'll always be like, oh, you're hugging me too tight, or I'm doing something, or whatever it is. And we've had those conversations, and every time we've had those, she's dismissed.
I said, we got to figure out how to work on moving forward together and being a couple. The kids are growing up. Or we got to figure out how, you know, if you don't want to be with me, just tell me. And she always is adamant. No, no, this is it. We're in. I mean, she's my ride or die. This is, she's my best friend. We've been together my half my life. And so it does feel so out of the blue.
I said, we got to figure out how to work on moving forward together and being a couple. The kids are growing up. Or we got to figure out how, you know, if you don't want to be with me, just tell me. And she always is adamant. No, no, this is it. We're in. I mean, she's my ride or die. This is, she's my best friend. We've been together my half my life. And so it does feel so out of the blue.
But now boom, right after Christmas, she just said, that's it. And pulled the, pulled the pin. And I don't know what to do. I don't know how to behave in the house.
But now boom, right after Christmas, she just said, that's it. And pulled the, pulled the pin. And I don't know what to do. I don't know how to behave in the house.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sure.
Sure.
I've been married for 23, almost 24 years, and my wife told me just a few weeks ago that she's leaving me and she wants a divorce.
I've been married for 23, almost 24 years, and my wife told me just a few weeks ago that she's leaving me and she wants a divorce.
I just feel like I could fix it or I could do more or I could work harder or I could, I don't know.
I just feel like I could fix it or I could do more or I could work harder or I could, I don't know.
Yeah. I've been engaging... everybody I can for support.
Yeah. I've been engaging... everybody I can for support.
Can I ask you another question?
Can I ask you another question?
Well, there's four of them, and there's two boys and there's two girls, and the youngest is middle school. I feel like maybe we should talk to the big three first because the little one's going to feed off of the other three. I don't know how to do that. I can't even imagine.
Well, there's four of them, and there's two boys and there's two girls, and the youngest is middle school. I feel like maybe we should talk to the big three first because the little one's going to feed off of the other three. I don't know how to do that. I can't even imagine.
I mean, we agreed that we were going to tell them together. I don't, I feel like, I don't, I don't know if I should do that. Should I tell them myself? Um, it's killing me not to tell them. They, I was in the hospital last week. I had a, a heart,
I mean, we agreed that we were going to tell them together. I don't, I feel like, I don't, I don't know if I should do that. Should I tell them myself? Um, it's killing me not to tell them. They, I was in the hospital last week. I had a, a heart,
Hi, John. How's it going? I'm a little nervous because this is serious. I'm a little emotional. I've been married for 23, almost 24 years, and my wife told me just a few weeks ago that she's leaving me and she wants a divorce. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Me too. And she won't talk about it. She won't consider anything. She said there's no point. And that's it.
Hi, John. How's it going? I'm a little nervous because this is serious. I'm a little emotional. I've been married for 23, almost 24 years, and my wife told me just a few weeks ago that she's leaving me and she wants a divorce. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Me too. And she won't talk about it. She won't consider anything. She said there's no point. And that's it.
thing yeah i had a svt my heart rate went to 254 and they had to do this thing where they flipped me over and got it down to normal listen and dave your body is being torn in two it's going to do all kind of wild things you're not broken you're just being ripped apart
thing yeah i had a svt my heart rate went to 254 and they had to do this thing where they flipped me over and got it down to normal listen and dave your body is being torn in two it's going to do all kind of wild things you're not broken you're just being ripped apart
48.
Okay.
And ever since then, it's been like waking up to a nightmare every day.
It is a grenade, but she has been struggling, and she's been struggling with perimetopause. Okay. And I've been trying to do whatever I can, and we got her one of those tests. She's tried a few things, and she's just wildly unhappy in general. She's been unhappy for a long time?
That's what it seems like. Okay. But now it seems like it's just me.
You know, like, it's all pointed at me.
she's moving swiftly. I mean, there's been no serving of papers because I told her we got to work it out and figure out how we're going to do this. We haven't told the kids yet, but she's looking at mortgages and townhouses and she's bopping around like, and I asked her about it yesterday and she said that, you know, what I don't see is that she's upset and she's, you know, whatever, but
She seems to be moving forward, and we were supposed to take a trip at the end of the month, her and her father and I, which is something we do, and I'm not going with. She's moving forward.
Yeah.
Well, and I've spoken to her over the years because I feel alone. She avoids me, and she'll go to bed at 8 o'clock and go upstairs. I'm going to bed, but then she'll go and watch TV or play on her phone or whatever it is. Just not do it with you. Right. I mean, she avoids me.
To the point where the kids even say something, and it's been happening for a while, where I'll go to hug her, just to hug for a minute, not just to love her, just to connect. And it'll always be like, oh, you're hugging me too tight, or I'm doing something, or whatever it is. And we've had those conversations, and every time we've had those, she's dismissed.
I said, we got to figure out how to work on moving forward together and being a couple. The kids are growing up. Or we got to figure out how, you know, if you don't want to be with me, just tell me. And she always is adamant. No, no, this is it. We're in. I mean, she's my ride or die. This is, she's my best friend. We've been together my half my life. And so it does feel so out of the blue.
But now boom, right after Christmas, she just said, that's it. And pulled the, pulled the pin. And I don't know what to do. I don't know how to behave in the house.
Yeah.
Sure.
I've been married for 23, almost 24 years, and my wife told me just a few weeks ago that she's leaving me and she wants a divorce.
I just feel like I could fix it or I could do more or I could work harder or I could, I don't know.
Yeah. I've been engaging... everybody I can for support.
Can I ask you another question?
Well, there's four of them, and there's two boys and there's two girls, and the youngest is middle school. I feel like maybe we should talk to the big three first because the little one's going to feed off of the other three. I don't know how to do that. I can't even imagine.
I mean, we agreed that we were going to tell them together. I don't, I feel like, I don't, I don't know if I should do that. Should I tell them myself? Um, it's killing me not to tell them. They, I was in the hospital last week. I had a, a heart,
Hi, John. How's it going? I'm a little nervous because this is serious. I'm a little emotional. I've been married for 23, almost 24 years, and my wife told me just a few weeks ago that she's leaving me and she wants a divorce. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Me too. And she won't talk about it. She won't consider anything. She said there's no point. And that's it.
thing yeah i had a svt my heart rate went to 254 and they had to do this thing where they flipped me over and got it down to normal listen and dave your body is being torn in two it's going to do all kind of wild things you're not broken you're just being ripped apart
And he was in leadership for, he trained me from nothing in construction, construction renovators. And he also actually introduced me to the gospel of Jesus Christ and the true gospel. And so, sorry, I'm running here. But when he was in the place of leadership, when it would go up and down, I was just along for the ride.
Once I became his business partner, then it affected me more and my reputation more because we were always changing. And now that he's stepped most of the way out of the company, it's left the company on my shoulders, and yet he's still involved. And I'm concerned that I have no idea what the next step is going to be because he might come back. He might step out completely.
He might ask for profits. I have no idea.
I can and I do, but it becomes a big argument every time.
That's exactly correct.
So I've, I've reached out to, I was given an offer from another company. Ah, okay. So I've reached out to him to accept the offer. He'll get back to me actually tomorrow. Okay. Um, So it's just how do I... So you're absolutely correct. I'm holding on to a friendship I had with this guy before his whole marriage and life crisis and before he changed. So you're absolutely correct.
So it's just how do I respectfully and properly step out of the business side and also our real estate side, step out of that.
Only be tied into the church. I'm not leaving. I'm actually a musician, amateur musician. I'm not leaving the church at this point, but how do I respectfully step out without just blowing the whole thing up?
It's kind of a mess, sir.
Nothing's on paper. It's a mess. It's a real mess.
Because if you don't... The only advantage to the mess is my name is not really... I don't know how to describe it. I've never seen it anywhere else. Nothing's on paper. But because he's stepping out, my name is getting more and more onto the liability side. And we have a mess when it comes to our paperwork and so on, our taxes.
That's correct. So the plan is January 1st, I step out.
I know that.
Nobody knows about this except for one close friend who won't mention it. Do you recommend that I just, I guess, quietly do the steps, separate our tools, kind of finish up the jobs and maybe let him know, like, just Christmas, Merry Christmas, I'm leaving. Would you recommend something like that or just go with my plan?
I know. That's the challenge. That's why I kind of have to talk now because it's going to get really, really basically a betrayal if I wait.
No, he's not that extreme. He's just going to try to convince me for the next three months every day to stay.
What's going on, man? Hey, in a bit of a tight spot with my partner. Okay, tell me about it. Well, he stepped out of the company. Oh, business partner.
No, sorry, sir. Business partner. Okay. Best friend, previous roommate, fellow minister at church.
A lot of history. Before he was married, everything was super. It just has kind of gone downhill since he met his wife.
That's not really the issue. The issue is his personal life is going through. I mean, honestly, since the day he was married in 2019, I think it was 2019. Yeah. Since he was married, it's been a roller coaster for him. So because he's in a place of leadership, that creates a roller coaster for everybody else.
Thank you. It's great to meet you, Oprah. It's such an honor. And just want to thank you for all that you've done and do for humanity. And Michael, it's so great to meet you. I'm a huge fan. But yeah, so I kind of found myself as I was transitioning from my late 40s into my 50s.
Thank you. It's great to meet you, Oprah. It's such an honor. And just want to thank you for all that you've done and do for humanity. And Michael, it's so great to meet you. I'm a huge fan. But yeah, so I kind of found myself as I was transitioning from my late 40s into my 50s.
I had a pretty big basket of existential questions and also these personal questions that were really burdening me from some childhood traumas. And so I received some advice from a trusted person in my life. And he said, you know, you should try psychedelics and specifically psilocybin. I think it would be a really great experience for you. And I thought about that.
I had a pretty big basket of existential questions and also these personal questions that were really burdening me from some childhood traumas. And so I received some advice from a trusted person in my life. And he said, you know, you should try psychedelics and specifically psilocybin. I think it would be a really great experience for you. And I thought about that.
And actually, in the past, when I was about 17 years old, I had a recreational experience with psilocybin. And it was great. I was with all of my dear friends. And we were up in the mountains, my favorite place to be.
And actually, in the past, when I was about 17 years old, I had a recreational experience with psilocybin. And it was great. I was with all of my dear friends. And we were up in the mountains, my favorite place to be.
Everything talked.
Everything talked.
I saw grids. It was great. It was an insane experience. It was really, really great. But anyway, the memory of that experience and being so positive, I thought, wow, I never thought that that could be a modality to really focus on getting some answers. I had this very intentional set of questions and I had such an incredible and specific experience.
I saw grids. It was great. It was an insane experience. It was really, really great. But anyway, the memory of that experience and being so positive, I thought, wow, I never thought that that could be a modality to really focus on getting some answers. I had this very intentional set of questions and I had such an incredible and specific experience.
One that, I mean, I can put myself back there at any moment and it just, it resets my life.
One that, I mean, I can put myself back there at any moment and it just, it resets my life.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I had a combination experience where you can be out and in communication with your guide. Okay. I recommend a guide. I agree, Michael, 100% and be very thoughtful through that process.
I had a combination experience where you can be out and in communication with your guide. Okay. I recommend a guide. I agree, Michael, 100% and be very thoughtful through that process.
So Michael, your book and your research, it gets into the tradition and history of these drugs so well. And I just wondered, how do we integrate psychedelics into the mainstream mental health treatments today? How do we preserve the spiritual aspects while we're kind of trying to segue it into mainstream medical? That's been one of the big questions. That's a great question, Dave.
So Michael, your book and your research, it gets into the tradition and history of these drugs so well. And I just wondered, how do we integrate psychedelics into the mainstream mental health treatments today? How do we preserve the spiritual aspects while we're kind of trying to segue it into mainstream medical? That's been one of the big questions. That's a great question, Dave.
Thank you. It's great to meet you, Oprah. It's such an honor. And just want to thank you for all that you've done and do for humanity. And Michael, it's so great to meet you. I'm a huge fan. But yeah, so I kind of found myself as I was transitioning from my late 40s into my 50s.
I had a pretty big basket of existential questions and also these personal questions that were really burdening me from some childhood traumas. And so I received some advice from a trusted person in my life. And he said, you know, you should try psychedelics and specifically psilocybin. I think it would be a really great experience for you. And I thought about that.
And actually, in the past, when I was about 17 years old, I had a recreational experience with psilocybin. And it was great. I was with all of my dear friends. And we were up in the mountains, my favorite place to be.
Everything talked.
I saw grids. It was great. It was an insane experience. It was really, really great. But anyway, the memory of that experience and being so positive, I thought, wow, I never thought that that could be a modality to really focus on getting some answers. I had this very intentional set of questions and I had such an incredible and specific experience.
One that, I mean, I can put myself back there at any moment and it just, it resets my life.
Absolutely.
I had a combination experience where you can be out and in communication with your guide. Okay. I recommend a guide. I agree, Michael, 100% and be very thoughtful through that process.
So Michael, your book and your research, it gets into the tradition and history of these drugs so well. And I just wondered, how do we integrate psychedelics into the mainstream mental health treatments today? How do we preserve the spiritual aspects while we're kind of trying to segue it into mainstream medical? That's been one of the big questions. That's a great question, Dave.
Hey.
Hey.
Trying. Staying off the interweb stuff, for sure. It's been interesting. It was kind of a tough weekend, not going to lie. But it was kind of a shock. I was sitting there ready to... I was so curious to see everybody else in the pods and see what they have to say and things like that. And I heard there was a lot of shit that went down. And then all of a sudden, they just focused on me a lot.
Trying. Staying off the interweb stuff, for sure. It's been interesting. It was kind of a tough weekend, not going to lie. But it was kind of a shock. I was sitting there ready to... I was so curious to see everybody else in the pods and see what they have to say and things like that. And I heard there was a lot of shit that went down. And then all of a sudden, they just focused on me a lot.
So I wasn't really prepared for it. that but um overall it's been been okay what shit went down that we didn't get to see I think I got to hold off on that.
So I wasn't really prepared for it. that but um overall it's been been okay what shit went down that we didn't get to see I think I got to hold off on that.
Just some other stuff I know. I'm sure it'll come out at the reunion and stuff. So I just heard there was a lot of stuff with these other couples that they just chose not to show.
Just some other stuff I know. I'm sure it'll come out at the reunion and stuff. So I just heard there was a lot of stuff with these other couples that they just chose not to show.
You know, the crazy thing about that is like people, like if you kind of understand that humor or whatever, like people could tell it was a joke. It was in like Lauren, like I think she handled it really well. And we kind of like connected after that and hit it off. So I just, you know, I'm happy I approached it the way I did because like,
You know, the crazy thing about that is like people, like if you kind of understand that humor or whatever, like people could tell it was a joke. It was in like Lauren, like I think she handled it really well. And we kind of like connected after that and hit it off. So I just, you know, I'm happy I approached it the way I did because like,
It landed with a lot of the women, honestly, and it made things fun. And I have a personality. So I was happy to like show that side of me. And it also like weeded out a lot of the people that I didn't connect with. So it kind of like helped me get there a little bit quicker. And I like to keep things light, you know, keep it fun.
It landed with a lot of the women, honestly, and it made things fun. And I have a personality. So I was happy to like show that side of me. And it also like weeded out a lot of the people that I didn't connect with. So it kind of like helped me get there a little bit quicker. And I like to keep things light, you know, keep it fun.
And honestly, that came out like in the speed date, like portion right away. So. Yeah, I mean, I was just trying to have some fun with it and see who I connected with.
And honestly, that came out like in the speed date, like portion right away. So. Yeah, I mean, I was just trying to have some fun with it and see who I connected with.
Ooh, yeah, I think so. But I'm kind of quickly learning that it's harder than I think.
Ooh, yeah, I think so. But I'm kind of quickly learning that it's harder than I think.
Oh, man, I mean, I talked a lot. You're in those pods like for hours on end. And like there's just a lot of stuff you talk about. So but no, again, like I think that's a really important piece of like a partner that I was looking for. And I want to be able to have fun with that with that partner. And I feel like I just wanted to be myself and just make sure people understood me for me.
Oh, man, I mean, I talked a lot. You're in those pods like for hours on end. And like there's just a lot of stuff you talk about. So but no, again, like I think that's a really important piece of like a partner that I was looking for. And I want to be able to have fun with that with that partner. And I feel like I just wanted to be myself and just make sure people understood me for me.
they show me talking about like Botox filler or, you know, stuff like that a lot. And that was, I was in that industry at the time and it's, there's nothing wrong with a little Botox here and there. Like I'm, I'm a fan of that, but yeah, to go on the show, like it was a big part of like, I'm, I've known I've been shallow in the past and I really don't want to be like that.
they show me talking about like Botox filler or, you know, stuff like that a lot. And that was, I was in that industry at the time and it's, there's nothing wrong with a little Botox here and there. Like I'm, I'm a fan of that, but yeah, to go on the show, like it was a big part of like, I'm, I've known I've been shallow in the past and I really don't want to be like that.
And I feel like I talked a lot about how I, I want to be, you know, the person I know I can be. And when it comes to looks and loving someone for the right reasons and, I was thinking a lot about that when I got there. And honestly, I didn't really know what to expect.
And I feel like I talked a lot about how I, I want to be, you know, the person I know I can be. And when it comes to looks and loving someone for the right reasons and, I was thinking a lot about that when I got there. And honestly, I didn't really know what to expect.
I kind of just went in open minded and just I knew I'd make a few connections that I didn't expect to go as far as I ended up going.
I kind of just went in open minded and just I knew I'd make a few connections that I didn't expect to go as far as I ended up going.
That is true. But that's up to them.
That is true. But that's up to them.
Yeah, I actually, I actually dated Taylor for a very long time. Um, we had, we had a lot of fun in the pods together and I guess, you know, there's a lot of stories they have to tell and they didn't really show that part, but it was actually kind of tough when we ended things. Um, you know, me and I think Taylor's awesome. And, um, but yeah, we dated for quite a while and
Yeah, I actually, I actually dated Taylor for a very long time. Um, we had, we had a lot of fun in the pods together and I guess, you know, there's a lot of stories they have to tell and they didn't really show that part, but it was actually kind of tough when we ended things. Um, you know, me and I think Taylor's awesome. And, um, but yeah, we dated for quite a while and
It's always funny looking back on that and knowing like, I had no idea. Like she had such a strong connection with Daniel. Like I just, you just have no clue. Cause the guys didn't really talk about it.
It's always funny looking back on that and knowing like, I had no idea. Like she had such a strong connection with Daniel. Like I just, you just have no clue. Cause the guys didn't really talk about it.
I did not. Madison was, that's a wild situation. And I guess that's somebody I was referring to. Like, I was curious to see more of what she had to say in those pods. And, but no, she was the first date I had. And I thought she was very normal and cool and didn't have anything bad to say, but it sounds like there's a lot of other, you know, things going on there. Yeah. Yeah.
I did not. Madison was, that's a wild situation. And I guess that's somebody I was referring to. Like, I was curious to see more of what she had to say in those pods. And, but no, she was the first date I had. And I thought she was very normal and cool and didn't have anything bad to say, but it sounds like there's a lot of other, you know, things going on there. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think she's kind of just taking it in stride. I think that's just such a funny and like the Internet is just insane because. Like apparently having a good relationship with your sister is a bad thing. Like, sorry, she's cool, whatever. But I think she's doing okay. You know, I feel like if she was struggling with it, she would have been like talking to me and texting me a lot.
Yeah, I mean, I think she's kind of just taking it in stride. I think that's just such a funny and like the Internet is just insane because. Like apparently having a good relationship with your sister is a bad thing. Like, sorry, she's cool, whatever. But I think she's doing okay. You know, I feel like if she was struggling with it, she would have been like talking to me and texting me a lot.
But I think she's doing all right.
But I think she's doing all right.
You know, it's actually like it's funny you say that, like it's so hard to focus, like you're so like kind of excited to watch. You're also like nervous. So you kind of you pick up on things. I'll probably have to rewatch it, honestly, because it's watching. I watched all six with Devin and it's just hard. Like you're just kind of distracted while you're watching it.
You know, it's actually like it's funny you say that, like it's so hard to focus, like you're so like kind of excited to watch. You're also like nervous. So you kind of you pick up on things. I'll probably have to rewatch it, honestly, because it's watching. I watched all six with Devin and it's just hard. Like you're just kind of distracted while you're watching it.
But no, again, like I think I just tried to have a personality in the pods and people can take that in a negative light if they if they want. But I mean, I was just trying to have some fun. It's such a. I remember going into the pods, like, Oh, the pods are open. The guys, like some of them would ask like, Dave, what's, what's your plan? And I'm like, I plan like, what do you mean?
But no, again, like I think I just tried to have a personality in the pods and people can take that in a negative light if they if they want. But I mean, I was just trying to have some fun. It's such a. I remember going into the pods, like, Oh, the pods are open. The guys, like some of them would ask like, Dave, what's, what's your plan? And I'm like, I plan like, what do you mean?
I'm just going to go in, be myself and, and see what happens. You know, it's, you only get like eight to 10 minutes with each person. You got to keep it light.
I'm just going to go in, be myself and, and see what happens. You know, it's, you only get like eight to 10 minutes with each person. You got to keep it light.
Oh, absolutely. I was, I was completely thrown off. That was like one of the harder parts to watch, like watch back and have these kinds of feelings and emotions come back. Like, I, you know, going into that, I thought, I think I already mentioned this, but I thought I'd be there for a couple of days. Didn't really expect much.
Oh, absolutely. I was, I was completely thrown off. That was like one of the harder parts to watch, like watch back and have these kinds of feelings and emotions come back. Like, I, you know, going into that, I thought, I think I already mentioned this, but I thought I'd be there for a couple of days. Didn't really expect much.
And I ended up just like really buying into the process and the, the experiment in general. And it was good overall, like not only the connections I made, but like the growth that I had individually, just like kind of going through that process and making sure I was being, you know, open, honest, and just Um, just raw being my real self.
And I ended up just like really buying into the process and the, the experiment in general. And it was good overall, like not only the connections I made, but like the growth that I had individually, just like kind of going through that process and making sure I was being, you know, open, honest, and just Um, just raw being my real self.
It was, it was kind of refreshing, but it was very hard to go through. Um, it was, and it was a lot harder than I expected.
It was, it was kind of refreshing, but it was very hard to go through. Um, it was, and it was a lot harder than I expected.
um no honestly no i feel like um i mean me and lauren had a blast um on the getaway so i i am curious but again like i thought this going into the first batch i i kind of had that feeling too and then it was like oh never mind you're kind of like the focus of the show did you have any more jokes down there or probably i mean i don't know i like to joke around like Life is short, man.
um no honestly no i feel like um i mean me and lauren had a blast um on the getaway so i i am curious but again like i thought this going into the first batch i i kind of had that feeling too and then it was like oh never mind you're kind of like the focus of the show did you have any more jokes down there or probably i mean i don't know i like to joke around like Life is short, man.
You got to have fun with it and not get bogged down by all the craziness and stuff. I agree with you. But no, I mean, we had so much fun and I'm excited to watch some of the just the events and like things that we did because it was really fun. Yeah, no, not really. I think there are a few moments where we talk about like physical stuff.
You got to have fun with it and not get bogged down by all the craziness and stuff. I agree with you. But no, I mean, we had so much fun and I'm excited to watch some of the just the events and like things that we did because it was really fun. Yeah, no, not really. I think there are a few moments where we talk about like physical stuff.
I can't give anything away yet, but there are a few moments where I'm like probably pushing that on some of the other people just trying to figure out you know, where they're at. So hopefully they don't focus too much on that.
I can't give anything away yet, but there are a few moments where I'm like probably pushing that on some of the other people just trying to figure out you know, where they're at. So hopefully they don't focus too much on that.
It shouldn't be weird to talk about that.
It shouldn't be weird to talk about that.
You're in your early 30s. That's why I thought it was funny. I don't judge anyone for that. I'm older, too. I don't give a shit.
You're in your early 30s. That's why I thought it was funny. I don't judge anyone for that. I'm older, too. I don't give a shit.
So what do I got to do in the next three years? You look great, man. You look great.
So what do I got to do in the next three years? You look great, man. You look great.
Got it. Thank you. I appreciate it as well. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint with the rest of the way. Uh, you'll be great. All right.
Got it. Thank you. I appreciate it as well. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint with the rest of the way. Uh, you'll be great. All right.
Thank you. Yep. See ya.
Thank you. Yep. See ya.
Yeah. She has to pay her legal bills.
Yeah. She has to pay her legal bills.
Sure. But they're saying there's bigger things to focus on while she's not focusing on the bigger thing. I mean, she's playing and, you know, she could have just not posted about it.
Sure. But they're saying there's bigger things to focus on while she's not focusing on the bigger thing. I mean, she's playing and, you know, she could have just not posted about it.
It's a bit of a contradiction.
It's a bit of a contradiction.
You wouldn't put it on your dating bio?
You wouldn't put it on your dating bio?
Is Kristen Cavallari putting on her dating bio?
Is Kristen Cavallari putting on her dating bio?
It's like, yeah, she could have been like, I will be back.
It's like, yeah, she could have been like, I will be back.
I'm more shocked about Sutton, not shocked that Lisa did that.
I'm more shocked about Sutton, not shocked that Lisa did that.
That's awesome. I mean, it's also not technically true. I mean, a lot of people have surgery and... And botched. Yeah.
That's awesome. I mean, it's also not technically true. I mean, a lot of people have surgery and... And botched. Yeah.
Didn't go the way they were going, you know?
Didn't go the way they were going, you know?
Yeah, that is a theory. It's like second... I actually disagree with that. You can be better looking if you're rich, but some people, it's just kind of like you don't got it.
Yeah, that is a theory. It's like second... I actually disagree with that. You can be better looking if you're rich, but some people, it's just kind of like you don't got it.
Was it like funny ha ha ha ha or is she dead serious?
Was it like funny ha ha ha ha or is she dead serious?
Who are these twins? Can I see you?
Who are these twins? Can I see you?
If you meet a rich person and they're ugly, you just kind of look at them and go, wow, you must be very confident.
If you meet a rich person and they're ugly, you just kind of look at them and go, wow, you must be very confident.
Yeah, that's definitely a glow up. What's his name? Barry Corgan wants you to know he has a huge cock.
Yeah, that's definitely a glow up. What's his name? Barry Corgan wants you to know he has a huge cock.
Is he a dad?
Is he a dad?
Wait, I... How is he not a deadbeat dad?
Wait, I... How is he not a deadbeat dad?
But she was dating the hot 22-year-old.
But she was dating the hot 22-year-old.
I didn't. He didn't like Saltburn. He didn't finish it.
I didn't. He didn't like Saltburn. He didn't finish it.
I liked it. Everyone tells me it's the most amazing movie and then it's just like... Artistically, yes. Yeah, but don't... Lead with that. They did. Everyone was just like...
I liked it. Everyone tells me it's the most amazing movie and then it's just like... Artistically, yes. Yeah, but don't... Lead with that. They did. Everyone was just like...
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I think they broke up like a week later. Yeah, kind of.
I think they broke up like a week later. Yeah, kind of.
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I mean, yeah, there was a reunion. Do we like Charles dyed hair?
I mean, yeah, there was a reunion. Do we like Charles dyed hair?
We do. He looks younger. He dyed his hair.
We do. He looks younger. He dyed his hair.
Oh, they're definitely testing. They're definitely testing. Pascal or Charles?
Oh, they're definitely testing. They're definitely testing. Pascal or Charles?
I think Charles is really endearing and charming and great when it's always like a small bit of the whole episode. But yeah, like I don't know. I don't know if it carries a whole season.
I think Charles is really endearing and charming and great when it's always like a small bit of the whole episode. But yeah, like I don't know. I don't know if it carries a whole season.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Pascal's messy for sure.
Pascal's messy for sure.
Yeah, I just feel like Charles is going to be best friends with all the ladies, and I'm not sure if he's going to fall in love with all the ladies.
Yeah, I just feel like Charles is going to be best friends with all the ladies, and I'm not sure if he's going to fall in love with all the ladies.
Yeah, but they, you know.
Yeah, but they, you know.
She loves Dan.
She loves Dan.
Well, that's the thing too. It's just like Joan was in the top four. Like they definitely don't have to go like kind of what they usually do. Like pick the top.
Well, that's the thing too. It's just like Joan was in the top four. Like they definitely don't have to go like kind of what they usually do. Like pick the top.
Do you think it was his new girlfriend who made him wear the Askoff or scarf thing that he tucked in? Ascot? Wait, is that what it's called?
Do you think it was his new girlfriend who made him wear the Askoff or scarf thing that he tucked in? Ascot? Wait, is that what it's called?
We'll find out. I don't know. I wonder when they might announce that. They are casting in December.
We'll find out. I don't know. I wonder when they might announce that. They are casting in December.
They'll do it during Grant's season or something like that.
They'll do it during Grant's season or something like that.
You know who didn't get a vasectomy?
You know who didn't get a vasectomy?
Sure, of Jen's maybe, but I'm just saying it won't happen this season of the Golden Bachelorette.
Sure, of Jen's maybe, but I'm just saying it won't happen this season of the Golden Bachelorette.
Okay, got it, yeah. Because it's not going to air for another year. It seems like they're going to have a Golden Bachelor, then a Golden Bachelorette. For the regular show, it's in the same year they'll have each one.
Okay, got it, yeah. Because it's not going to air for another year. It seems like they're going to have a Golden Bachelor, then a Golden Bachelorette. For the regular show, it's in the same year they'll have each one.
Giselle's new boyfriend.
Giselle's new boyfriend.
But I think they're alternating years.
But I think they're alternating years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
On the grill.
On the grill.
Salt and pepper.
Salt and pepper.
Lowry's. Some Lowry's. Substitute salt with Lowry's.
Lowry's. Some Lowry's. Substitute salt with Lowry's.
Absolutely disgusting. Who was putting barbecue sauce on there? It was Christopher.
Absolutely disgusting. Who was putting barbecue sauce on there? It was Christopher.
And Tom Brady, he's tweeting like a teenage girl.
And Tom Brady, he's tweeting like a teenage girl.
Barbecue sauce doesn't pair well for a burger.
Barbecue sauce doesn't pair well for a burger.
Yeah, but you could, I guess, I mean, it works as like a marinade, you know, so to speak. You could, you know, people marinate their meat, season their meat. Meat, meat, meat, meat, meat.
Yeah, but you could, I guess, I mean, it works as like a marinade, you know, so to speak. You could, you know, people marinate their meat, season their meat. Meat, meat, meat, meat, meat.
Roni. Okay.
Roni. Okay.
That was Mary's joke. Sorry, I saw it from Mary.
That was Mary's joke. Sorry, I saw it from Mary.
Watching Salt Lake City and then Roni, it's like they're not both the same person.
Watching Salt Lake City and then Roni, it's like they're not both the same person.
In Salt Lake City, we get the husbands not parallel parking and then having their own fight. And then Brittany, for all of our commentary on here, she is excellent television. I look forward to Brittany every week. She is an interesting discussion host.
In Salt Lake City, we get the husbands not parallel parking and then having their own fight. And then Brittany, for all of our commentary on here, she is excellent television. I look forward to Brittany every week. She is an interesting discussion host.
Brittany's a friend of on Salt Lake City and she's like carrying episodes and then you get Rebecca Minkoff just like kind of sitting there looking polite, looking nice, smiling. I like her. You know, a giggle here and there. Yeah, they all, again, I would be friends with all of them.
Brittany's a friend of on Salt Lake City and she's like carrying episodes and then you get Rebecca Minkoff just like kind of sitting there looking polite, looking nice, smiling. I like her. You know, a giggle here and there. Yeah, they all, again, I would be friends with all of them.
They all seem like, you know, and with Salt Lake City, it's just like I would be afraid to be friends with some of them. Like I would...
They all seem like, you know, and with Salt Lake City, it's just like I would be afraid to be friends with some of them. Like I would...
I respect it. I love it.
I respect it. I love it.
What's his day job? I think it's in tech, right? So he's like made his money and now he's looking for a hobby. That's what it appears to be. Okay. I like him.
What's his day job? I think it's in tech, right? So he's like made his money and now he's looking for a hobby. That's what it appears to be. Okay. I like him.
Okay. That's what it is. Okay.
Okay. That's what it is. Okay.
He definitely shouldn't be doing this.
He definitely shouldn't be doing this.
But she's the only one kind of trying to be messy.
But she's the only one kind of trying to be messy.
When I watch Roni, I'm just watching a bunch of friends hanging out, having a good time.
When I watch Roni, I'm just watching a bunch of friends hanging out, having a good time.
In fairness to her, like at least with Brittany, she walks into this group of women who are like willing and able to be messy. And it's just like you're expecting Rebecca to come in with like this classy look.
In fairness to her, like at least with Brittany, she walks into this group of women who are like willing and able to be messy. And it's just like you're expecting Rebecca to come in with like this classy look.
But she's fitting in with the group. This is my point.
But she's fitting in with the group. This is my point.
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The beginning of time.
The beginning of time.
The Eagles are more blue collar.
The Eagles are more blue collar.
Ooh, that looks dirty.
Ooh, that looks dirty.
Again, they do have a courthouse in the stadium during games.
Again, they do have a courthouse in the stadium during games.
Sensitive era.
Sensitive era.
So like oil money.
So like oil money.
The Cowboys are in a slump.
The Cowboys are in a slump.
I just want the vibes group to note Mary's objection. She's riding hard for the Eagles.
I just want the vibes group to note Mary's objection. She's riding hard for the Eagles.
You can jump.
You can jump.
I'm going to go Eagles. I'm going to go Eagles.
I'm going to go Eagles. I'm going to go Eagles.
Okay. What do we got? Game two.
Okay. What do we got? Game two.
Just a bunch of tobacco chewing mongrels.
Just a bunch of tobacco chewing mongrels.
It's a pleasant group.
It's a pleasant group.
I think, isn't the assumption that there was a bit of an overlap with Giselle and Mr. Karate?
I think, isn't the assumption that there was a bit of an overlap with Giselle and Mr. Karate?
I mean, let's be real, though. And then the Jaguars, they barely even have a fan base.
I mean, let's be real, though. And then the Jaguars, they barely even have a fan base.
That's why they're probably going to be the first London team.
That's why they're probably going to be the first London team.
They're going to move to London?
They're going to move to London?
It's like if it'd be in Florida, you might as well be near water.
It's like if it'd be in Florida, you might as well be near water.
jacksonville is near water is it yeah okay wait i am curious though so you said in the north you said that they're going to leave to london yeah well that's a lot of speculation they haven't played games the nfl is trying to expand globally they've played a lot of games in london and then that would count for the super bowl they may play the super bowl yeah i could see the super bowl so they get the super bowl definitely one day be in london for sure and that looks like a man from london town i mean the cat ears are cute yeah actually maybe honestly i don't love cheetah prince
jacksonville is near water is it yeah okay wait i am curious though so you said in the north you said that they're going to leave to london yeah well that's a lot of speculation they haven't played games the nfl is trying to expand globally they've played a lot of games in london and then that would count for the super bowl they may play the super bowl yeah i could see the super bowl so they get the super bowl definitely one day be in london for sure and that looks like a man from london town i mean the cat ears are cute yeah actually maybe honestly i don't love cheetah prince
Yeah, purple face, Goldilocks.
Yeah, purple face, Goldilocks.
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She was one of my first guests ever.
And Mario Lansky. Mario? Mir? Mar?
And Mario Lansky. Mario? Mir? Mar?
But I don't take myself that seriously.
But I don't take myself that seriously.
It used to be John Mayer. John Mayer really got me through some breakups.
It used to be John Mayer. John Mayer really got me through some breakups.
I thought we had a great show.
I thought we had a great show.
You do watch.
You do watch.
And I watched Bachelorette. Was that you studying for your character? Because everyone on that show is a big reality TV fan.
And I watched Bachelorette. Was that you studying for your character? Because everyone on that show is a big reality TV fan.
How has the success of the new show been for you?
How has the success of the new show been for you?
She's everywhere. So good.
She's everywhere. So good.
I mean, listen, I've I've gotten tougher feedback.
I mean, listen, I've I've gotten tougher feedback.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh.
Oh.
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out loud the hallway. We're binging through. We finished it in a day and a half.
out loud the hallway. We're binging through. We finished it in a day and a half.
Did you when you when you guys were making it where you're like this, this is really good material or you're like, we'll see. I don't know.
Did you when you when you guys were making it where you're like this, this is really good material or you're like, we'll see. I don't know.
Zach Ryan is posting like she never existed.
Zach Ryan is posting like she never existed.
How does it work when you're friends with someone who's so involved in the show, but also being professional, you want to like go through proper channels? Like, how do you tiptoe around that?
How does it work when you're friends with someone who's so involved in the show, but also being professional, you want to like go through proper channels? Like, how do you tiptoe around that?
Is he the Taylor Swift of country men?
Is he the Taylor Swift of country men?
Hammer time.
Hammer time.
They're like, excuse me, can we help you while you're here?
They're like, excuse me, can we help you while you're here?
You guys, not to take any away from Kristen. But you guys kind of steal some of the scenes. You and your TV husband.
You guys, not to take any away from Kristen. But you guys kind of steal some of the scenes. You and your TV husband.
Don't tell her. You guys are very funny.
Don't tell her. You guys are very funny.
Good things get lost in the shuffle.
Good things get lost in the shuffle.
We can have a watch party, Jackie. We were actually looking for it. When does it come out? It's soon.
We can have a watch party, Jackie. We were actually looking for it. When does it come out? It's soon.
But you're right. It's like kind of niche, you know? Like most people.
But you're right. It's like kind of niche, you know? Like most people.
Those numbers must have been huge.
Those numbers must have been huge.
Are you getting noticed more?
Are you getting noticed more?
People love the artist.
People love the artist.
For those who don't know, Craig's is a very sceney restaurant. Pop Rocks, you will get packed.
For those who don't know, Craig's is a very sceney restaurant. Pop Rocks, you will get packed.
It's like a steakhouse, right?
It's like a steakhouse, right?
You always see a celebrity or two because it is good food and it is a nice vibe. But a lot of people show up for the pops to be seen.
You always see a celebrity or two because it is good food and it is a nice vibe. But a lot of people show up for the pops to be seen.
I look great.
I look great.
I love a jean, you know, jacket.
I love a jean, you know, jacket.
Look at that one, I've never seen that one. You're like, aw, shucks.
Look at that one, I've never seen that one. You're like, aw, shucks.
We have dogs named Jeff and Steve.
We have dogs named Jeff and Steve.
Can we put like a perfume on him or something?
Can we put like a perfume on him or something?
Jeff sleeps on my head.
Jeff sleeps on my head.
Steve ate through his first two kennels?
Steve ate through his first two kennels?
So we had to get a metal one. Yes.
So we had to get a metal one. Yes.
They love our kids.
They love our kids.
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Volf House Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. And, babe, I know we're going to work out. I know we are going to make it forever. But if for some reason we don't.
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Volf House Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. And, babe, I know we're going to work out. I know we are going to make it forever. But if for some reason we don't.
yeah they got their girls back it's and it's and it's a funny it's silly and it's goofy and they're talking shit in a very creative way i'm a sucker for autotune kind of giving like old school youtube beef yeah you know which i love i was gonna say i'm kind of all day throw it back can we just do a silly one yeah like a silly little diss track what is the last diss track you remember
yeah they got their girls back it's and it's and it's a funny it's silly and it's goofy and they're talking shit in a very creative way i'm a sucker for autotune kind of giving like old school youtube beef yeah you know which i love i was gonna say i'm kind of all day throw it back can we just do a silly one yeah like a silly little diss track what is the last diss track you remember
Yeah, I feel like she went to a website. What a headache.
Yeah, I feel like she went to a website. What a headache.
Say something about Britney Spears.
Say something about Britney Spears.
Well, something.
Well, something.
Britney Spears doesn't know magic. Prove it.
Britney Spears doesn't know magic. Prove it.
Natalie's reading.
Natalie's reading.
That's kind of like me watching porn next to you in bed when you go to bed. What?
That's kind of like me watching porn next to you in bed when you go to bed. What?
She did it two weeks ago.
She did it two weeks ago.
Well, before she got pregnant, she was working full-time. I was working full-time. And then her surgeon loves her.
Well, before she got pregnant, she was working full-time. I was working full-time. And then her surgeon loves her.
And so he keeps texting her, when can you come back, when can you come back? And now it's like a whenever. He takes her when she can. He can get her.
And so he keeps texting her, when can you come back, when can you come back? And now it's like a whenever. He takes her when she can. He can get her.
Are those Velcro shoes?
Are those Velcro shoes?
Do you think Gypsy Rose's ex Ryan should make a diss track? Because they'd be messy right now.
Do you think Gypsy Rose's ex Ryan should make a diss track? Because they'd be messy right now.
But did you have to share the profits or?
But did you have to share the profits or?
Do you like deliberately not wear them over to her house now? Can I tell you something?
Do you like deliberately not wear them over to her house now? Can I tell you something?
It's the mood.
It's the mood.
Are you starting to get more free stuff now that you're super famous?
Are you starting to get more free stuff now that you're super famous?
That would have been kind of hilarious. Be like, actually, I really like that shirt.
That would have been kind of hilarious. Be like, actually, I really like that shirt.
She grabbed them and ran out of the house. Didn't even say goodbye.
She grabbed them and ran out of the house. Didn't even say goodbye.
How often do you visit?
How often do you visit?
I kind of respect the hypocrisy and delusion and just full force.
I kind of respect the hypocrisy and delusion and just full force.
What?
What?
Your parents were gym teachers?
Your parents were gym teachers?
Yeah, maybe she's just, you know, maybe she's feeling a certain sort of way. Her body's alienating her.
Yeah, maybe she's just, you know, maybe she's feeling a certain sort of way. Her body's alienating her.
Oh, it's the greatest. Does this come with age? I will say as I get older, I get grumpier.
Oh, it's the greatest. Does this come with age? I will say as I get older, I get grumpier.
Right before I met Natalie, I think my friends were a little worried that I was.
Right before I met Natalie, I think my friends were a little worried that I was.
Yeah. Seven, eight years.
Yeah. Seven, eight years.
Yeah. I met Natalie and I just like, wow, he's just a little letter on his feet. I really found out I was a real grumpy guy.
Yeah. I met Natalie and I just like, wow, he's just a little letter on his feet. I really found out I was a real grumpy guy.
I thought I was just being honest.
I thought I was just being honest.
Gypsy, I'll always have your back.
Gypsy, I'll always have your back.
Like it's bad, but it was okay because it wasn't wrong. It's hot.
Like it's bad, but it was okay because it wasn't wrong. It's hot.
There's a lot of sex scenes.
There's a lot of sex scenes.
I don't know that she implied that she was.
I don't know that she implied that she was.
You look like a Barbie doll.
You look like a Barbie doll.
You wanted to tell Justin something about Glow. Glow, yes.
You wanted to tell Justin something about Glow. Glow, yes.
And then it's going to have a whole new... Especially season three. It'll be trending back on Netflix or something.
And then it's going to have a whole new... Especially season three. It'll be trending back on Netflix or something.
Which makes nobody wants this that much cooler.
Which makes nobody wants this that much cooler.
When are you guys going to pick up the cameras again?
When are you guys going to pick up the cameras again?
For how much?
For how much?
I'd probably do it for 50 bucks.
I'd probably do it for 50 bucks.
Twerk on him? Twerk on him?
Twerk on him? Twerk on him?
I'm literally just bending over, what, shaking my ass?
I'm literally just bending over, what, shaking my ass?
No, she's a real star now.
No, she's a real star now.
And he has to smack it.
And he has to smack it.
I don't, like, dare? Like, I'm not, like... That's true, I would do it too. I'm not afraid. Like, what is gonna happen?
I don't, like, dare? Like, I'm not, like... That's true, I would do it too. I'm not afraid. Like, what is gonna happen?
This is before they let you use instruments. Yeah.
This is before they let you use instruments. Yeah.
To be clear, my pants are still on in this scenario.
To be clear, my pants are still on in this scenario.
It was like it's not rigged, but they well, they do what they want.
It was like it's not rigged, but they well, they do what they want.
Len.
Len.
But you know what they thought there was like this person actually she's going to be a real there's a different path for her. You could have been pigeonholed as a reality TV star. You wouldn't have wanted that.
But you know what they thought there was like this person actually she's going to be a real there's a different path for her. You could have been pigeonholed as a reality TV star. You wouldn't have wanted that.
Yeah, Gypsy would be commenting on your post.
Yeah, Gypsy would be commenting on your post.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
She's got huge feet.
She's got huge feet.
We got married three months after she had a baby.
We got married three months after she had a baby.
That's exactly Michigan.
That's exactly Michigan.
Gypsy, where's my camera? I'm just kidding. I'm sorry. I always have your back.
Gypsy, where's my camera? I'm just kidding. I'm sorry. I always have your back.
Or like a really cute, tiny ornament of a T-shirt.
Or like a really cute, tiny ornament of a T-shirt.
Did you save Michigan?
Did you save Michigan?
Like her daughter.
Like her daughter.
It's her feet for me. I like her little toes.
It's her feet for me. I like her little toes.
I just.
I just.
No, we follow up.
No, we follow up.
Yeah, no, like, inside it's nicer and bigger, but, like, it's somewhere.
Yeah, no, like, inside it's nicer and bigger, but, like, it's somewhere.
Yeah, it was so convenient.
Yeah, it was so convenient.
It kind of feels like getting the test was like there was some uncertainty.
It kind of feels like getting the test was like there was some uncertainty.
Why of all days are you supposed to digitize something that you filmed?
Why of all days are you supposed to digitize something that you filmed?
I can wait. So, like, we have three or four kids. We're done having kids. And then I don't know. Maybe I die. I die. Because I would never leave you. What the hell is going on? What's better, me leaving you or me dying?
I can wait. So, like, we have three or four kids. We're done having kids. And then I don't know. Maybe I die. I die. Because I would never leave you. What the hell is going on? What's better, me leaving you or me dying?
Yeah, we really got into it this season.
Yeah, we really got into it this season.
After we interviewed him, I would DM him every three days and be like, are you okay? How are you doing?
After we interviewed him, I would DM him every three days and be like, are you okay? How are you doing?
I should probably check in on him. Thanks for reminding me.
I should probably check in on him. Thanks for reminding me.
Yeah, he was kind of giving fuck boy. But the Internet is so fucking mean.
Yeah, he was kind of giving fuck boy. But the Internet is so fucking mean.
And they just I mean, when we interviewed him, he was I honestly it was I felt bad. I mean, he was kind of I think Nick hugged him like maybe four times. Yeah.
And they just I mean, when we interviewed him, he was I honestly it was I felt bad. I mean, he was kind of I think Nick hugged him like maybe four times. Yeah.
And like the fans of Traders are so much different than like.
And like the fans of Traders are so much different than like.
Like not Celebrity UK. Like there's like a Normie.
Like not Celebrity UK. Like there's like a Normie.
No, there's like a Normie version.
No, there's like a Normie version.
Just listen to our episode with him.
Just listen to our episode with him.
All right.
All right.
I'm very excited about that. Yeah.
I'm very excited about that. Yeah.
We'll have grandma babysit.
We'll have grandma babysit.
Karen, we have you back on without recording 800 episodes in between.
Karen, we have you back on without recording 800 episodes in between.
Jackie, can you let the people know where to follow you on social media?
Jackie, can you let the people know where to follow you on social media?
Gotta get that merch.
Gotta get that merch.
could do very well on there.
could do very well on there.
It is like work, though.
It is like work, though.
I haven't been on there as a consumer in maybe six months.
I haven't been on there as a consumer in maybe six months.
It'd be us.
It'd be us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh. That makes sense. I'm sure it did a lot of people.
Oh. That makes sense. I'm sure it did a lot of people.
she passed i'm so sorry i killed her uh we could keep talking i think for hours we're gonna have to kick you out love you guys it's so comfortable in here i never want to leave but thank you guys for listening uh we will see you back on monday but don't forget if you haven't checked out the going deeper episode with ashley from love is blind she gets into all the gritty details about her relationship with tyler the baby mama drama she comes with receipts she
she passed i'm so sorry i killed her uh we could keep talking i think for hours we're gonna have to kick you out love you guys it's so comfortable in here i never want to leave but thank you guys for listening uh we will see you back on monday but don't forget if you haven't checked out the going deeper episode with ashley from love is blind she gets into all the gritty details about her relationship with tyler the baby mama drama she comes with receipts she
Puts in all the context that you were hoping to get all the answers in terms of why she is happily married and for, you know, why maybe people should just kind of listen to the full story before jumping to conclusions. That is all on the episode of Going Deeper. Plus, we have Ramses earlier this week on Tuesday who faced the fire of us.
Puts in all the context that you were hoping to get all the answers in terms of why she is happily married and for, you know, why maybe people should just kind of listen to the full story before jumping to conclusions. That is all on the episode of Going Deeper. Plus, we have Ramses earlier this week on Tuesday who faced the fire of us.
Obviously, we were pretty hard on him and we give Ramses a lot of credit for coming on the show. But be sure to check that out. We are back next week, our Going Deeper episode with the very charming and wonderful couple Garrett and Taylor. They are with us on Wednesday and we have a jam-packed week next week as well for Reality Recap. We'll see you then. Bye!
Obviously, we were pretty hard on him and we give Ramses a lot of credit for coming on the show. But be sure to check that out. We are back next week, our Going Deeper episode with the very charming and wonderful couple Garrett and Taylor. They are with us on Wednesday and we have a jam-packed week next week as well for Reality Recap. We'll see you then. Bye!
She's on the glass case. Ariel, but as a mermaid, not as a human.
She's on the glass case. Ariel, but as a mermaid, not as a human.
She's really officially made it.
She's really officially made it.
She's on a float with Jimmy Kimmel by herself.
She's on a float with Jimmy Kimmel by herself.
There's a white man with brown hair that hosts a show late at night. How dare you? Oh, I apologize to Kimmel for that. But, I mean, kind of a big deal. Like, post Vanderpump by herself, like, not as a member of Vanderpump, just as Ariana Maddox. Well, I wonder if she's... She's on Broadway.
There's a white man with brown hair that hosts a show late at night. How dare you? Oh, I apologize to Kimmel for that. But, I mean, kind of a big deal. Like, post Vanderpump by herself, like, not as a member of Vanderpump, just as Ariana Maddox. Well, I wonder if she's... She's on Broadway.
Are we going to get Ariana?
Are we going to get Ariana?
Annie did it before.
Annie did it before.
Why are you trying to talk shit about Ariana?
Why are you trying to talk shit about Ariana?
Knock on wood. Later on this episode, we got the amazing Jackie Tone from the new hit show, Nobody Wants This. If you haven't watched it on Netflix, I don't know what you're doing because it's truly amazing. But she's with us and she's so much fun. Get ready to laugh out loud. Would you only date men with a vasectomy?
Knock on wood. Later on this episode, we got the amazing Jackie Tone from the new hit show, Nobody Wants This. If you haven't watched it on Netflix, I don't know what you're doing because it's truly amazing. But she's with us and she's so much fun. Get ready to laugh out loud. Would you only date men with a vasectomy?
What are you thinking about, Natalie?
What are you thinking about, Natalie?
I would be proud.
I would be proud.
You would be upset?
You would be upset?
I would be so proud of River's initiative.
I would be so proud of River's initiative.
Definitely wouldn't ruin my day. That's for sure.
Definitely wouldn't ruin my day. That's for sure.
Well, now I'm just excited she got invited to Lala Kent's event.
Well, now I'm just excited she got invited to Lala Kent's event.
Is it? Oh. Are you going?
Is it? Oh. Are you going?
Are you going to say hi? Do you think Lala Kent knows you're coming or do you think you got invited as like an influencer?
Are you going to say hi? Do you think Lala Kent knows you're coming or do you think you got invited as like an influencer?
You're just on the invite.
You're just on the invite.
How are you going to feel if she acts like she doesn't know you exist?
How are you going to feel if she acts like she doesn't know you exist?
There's like a 9 out of 10.
There's like a 9 out of 10.
You already met.
You already met.
Yeah. When? At least the Vanderpump's event. Well, Natalie's doing it.
Yeah. When? At least the Vanderpump's event. Well, Natalie's doing it.
What was the advice?
What was the advice?
Hey.
Trying. Staying off the interweb stuff, for sure. It's been interesting. It was kind of a tough weekend, not going to lie. But it was kind of a shock. I was sitting there ready to... I was so curious to see everybody else in the pods and see what they have to say and things like that. And I heard there was a lot of shit that went down. And then all of a sudden, they just focused on me a lot.
So I wasn't really prepared for it. that but um overall it's been been okay what shit went down that we didn't get to see I think I got to hold off on that.
Just some other stuff I know. I'm sure it'll come out at the reunion and stuff. So I just heard there was a lot of stuff with these other couples that they just chose not to show.
You know, the crazy thing about that is like people, like if you kind of understand that humor or whatever, like people could tell it was a joke. It was in like Lauren, like I think she handled it really well. And we kind of like connected after that and hit it off. So I just, you know, I'm happy I approached it the way I did because like,
It landed with a lot of the women, honestly, and it made things fun. And I have a personality. So I was happy to like show that side of me. And it also like weeded out a lot of the people that I didn't connect with. So it kind of like helped me get there a little bit quicker. And I like to keep things light, you know, keep it fun.
And honestly, that came out like in the speed date, like portion right away. So. Yeah, I mean, I was just trying to have some fun with it and see who I connected with.
Ooh, yeah, I think so. But I'm kind of quickly learning that it's harder than I think.
Oh, man, I mean, I talked a lot. You're in those pods like for hours on end. And like there's just a lot of stuff you talk about. So but no, again, like I think that's a really important piece of like a partner that I was looking for. And I want to be able to have fun with that with that partner. And I feel like I just wanted to be myself and just make sure people understood me for me.
they show me talking about like Botox filler or, you know, stuff like that a lot. And that was, I was in that industry at the time and it's, there's nothing wrong with a little Botox here and there. Like I'm, I'm a fan of that, but yeah, to go on the show, like it was a big part of like, I'm, I've known I've been shallow in the past and I really don't want to be like that.
And I feel like I talked a lot about how I, I want to be, you know, the person I know I can be. And when it comes to looks and loving someone for the right reasons and, I was thinking a lot about that when I got there. And honestly, I didn't really know what to expect.
I kind of just went in open minded and just I knew I'd make a few connections that I didn't expect to go as far as I ended up going.
That is true. But that's up to them.
Yeah, I actually, I actually dated Taylor for a very long time. Um, we had, we had a lot of fun in the pods together and I guess, you know, there's a lot of stories they have to tell and they didn't really show that part, but it was actually kind of tough when we ended things. Um, you know, me and I think Taylor's awesome. And, um, but yeah, we dated for quite a while and
It's always funny looking back on that and knowing like, I had no idea. Like she had such a strong connection with Daniel. Like I just, you just have no clue. Cause the guys didn't really talk about it.
I did not. Madison was, that's a wild situation. And I guess that's somebody I was referring to. Like, I was curious to see more of what she had to say in those pods. And, but no, she was the first date I had. And I thought she was very normal and cool and didn't have anything bad to say, but it sounds like there's a lot of other, you know, things going on there. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think she's kind of just taking it in stride. I think that's just such a funny and like the Internet is just insane because. Like apparently having a good relationship with your sister is a bad thing. Like, sorry, she's cool, whatever. But I think she's doing okay. You know, I feel like if she was struggling with it, she would have been like talking to me and texting me a lot.
But I think she's doing all right.
You know, it's actually like it's funny you say that, like it's so hard to focus, like you're so like kind of excited to watch. You're also like nervous. So you kind of you pick up on things. I'll probably have to rewatch it, honestly, because it's watching. I watched all six with Devin and it's just hard. Like you're just kind of distracted while you're watching it.
But no, again, like I think I just tried to have a personality in the pods and people can take that in a negative light if they if they want. But I mean, I was just trying to have some fun. It's such a. I remember going into the pods, like, Oh, the pods are open. The guys, like some of them would ask like, Dave, what's, what's your plan? And I'm like, I plan like, what do you mean?
I'm just going to go in, be myself and, and see what happens. You know, it's, you only get like eight to 10 minutes with each person. You got to keep it light.
Oh, absolutely. I was, I was completely thrown off. That was like one of the harder parts to watch, like watch back and have these kinds of feelings and emotions come back. Like, I, you know, going into that, I thought, I think I already mentioned this, but I thought I'd be there for a couple of days. Didn't really expect much.
And I ended up just like really buying into the process and the, the experiment in general. And it was good overall, like not only the connections I made, but like the growth that I had individually, just like kind of going through that process and making sure I was being, you know, open, honest, and just Um, just raw being my real self.
It was, it was kind of refreshing, but it was very hard to go through. Um, it was, and it was a lot harder than I expected.
um no honestly no i feel like um i mean me and lauren had a blast um on the getaway so i i am curious but again like i thought this going into the first batch i i kind of had that feeling too and then it was like oh never mind you're kind of like the focus of the show did you have any more jokes down there or probably i mean i don't know i like to joke around like Life is short, man.
You got to have fun with it and not get bogged down by all the craziness and stuff. I agree with you. But no, I mean, we had so much fun and I'm excited to watch some of the just the events and like things that we did because it was really fun. Yeah, no, not really. I think there are a few moments where we talk about like physical stuff.
I can't give anything away yet, but there are a few moments where I'm like probably pushing that on some of the other people just trying to figure out you know, where they're at. So hopefully they don't focus too much on that.
It shouldn't be weird to talk about that.
You're in your early 30s. That's why I thought it was funny. I don't judge anyone for that. I'm older, too. I don't give a shit.
So what do I got to do in the next three years? You look great, man. You look great.
Got it. Thank you. I appreciate it as well. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint with the rest of the way. Uh, you'll be great. All right.
Thank you. Yep. See ya.
Yeah. She has to pay her legal bills.
Sure. But they're saying there's bigger things to focus on while she's not focusing on the bigger thing. I mean, she's playing and, you know, she could have just not posted about it.
It's a bit of a contradiction.
You wouldn't put it on your dating bio?
Is Kristen Cavallari putting on her dating bio?
It's like, yeah, she could have been like, I will be back.
I'm more shocked about Sutton, not shocked that Lisa did that.
That's awesome. I mean, it's also not technically true. I mean, a lot of people have surgery and... And botched. Yeah.
Didn't go the way they were going, you know?
Yeah, that is a theory. It's like second... I actually disagree with that. You can be better looking if you're rich, but some people, it's just kind of like you don't got it.
Was it like funny ha ha ha ha or is she dead serious?
Who are these twins? Can I see you?
If you meet a rich person and they're ugly, you just kind of look at them and go, wow, you must be very confident.
Yeah, that's definitely a glow up. What's his name? Barry Corgan wants you to know he has a huge cock.
Is he a dad?
Wait, I... How is he not a deadbeat dad?
But she was dating the hot 22-year-old.
I didn't. He didn't like Saltburn. He didn't finish it.
I liked it. Everyone tells me it's the most amazing movie and then it's just like... Artistically, yes. Yeah, but don't... Lead with that. They did. Everyone was just like...
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I mean, yeah, there was a reunion. Do we like Charles dyed hair?
We do. He looks younger. He dyed his hair.
Oh, they're definitely testing. They're definitely testing. Pascal or Charles?
I think Charles is really endearing and charming and great when it's always like a small bit of the whole episode. But yeah, like I don't know. I don't know if it carries a whole season.
I don't know.
Pascal's messy for sure.
Yeah, I just feel like Charles is going to be best friends with all the ladies, and I'm not sure if he's going to fall in love with all the ladies.
Yeah, but they, you know.
She loves Dan.
Well, that's the thing too. It's just like Joan was in the top four. Like they definitely don't have to go like kind of what they usually do. Like pick the top.
Do you think it was his new girlfriend who made him wear the Askoff or scarf thing that he tucked in? Ascot? Wait, is that what it's called?
We'll find out. I don't know. I wonder when they might announce that. They are casting in December.
They'll do it during Grant's season or something like that.
You know who didn't get a vasectomy?
Sure, of Jen's maybe, but I'm just saying it won't happen this season of the Golden Bachelorette.
Okay, got it, yeah. Because it's not going to air for another year. It seems like they're going to have a Golden Bachelor, then a Golden Bachelorette. For the regular show, it's in the same year they'll have each one.
Giselle's new boyfriend.
But I think they're alternating years.
Yeah.
On the grill.
Salt and pepper.
Lowry's. Some Lowry's. Substitute salt with Lowry's.
Absolutely disgusting. Who was putting barbecue sauce on there? It was Christopher.
And Tom Brady, he's tweeting like a teenage girl.
Barbecue sauce doesn't pair well for a burger.
Yeah, but you could, I guess, I mean, it works as like a marinade, you know, so to speak. You could, you know, people marinate their meat, season their meat. Meat, meat, meat, meat, meat.
Roni. Okay.
That was Mary's joke. Sorry, I saw it from Mary.
Watching Salt Lake City and then Roni, it's like they're not both the same person.
In Salt Lake City, we get the husbands not parallel parking and then having their own fight. And then Brittany, for all of our commentary on here, she is excellent television. I look forward to Brittany every week. She is an interesting discussion host.
Brittany's a friend of on Salt Lake City and she's like carrying episodes and then you get Rebecca Minkoff just like kind of sitting there looking polite, looking nice, smiling. I like her. You know, a giggle here and there. Yeah, they all, again, I would be friends with all of them.
They all seem like, you know, and with Salt Lake City, it's just like I would be afraid to be friends with some of them. Like I would...
I respect it. I love it.
What's his day job? I think it's in tech, right? So he's like made his money and now he's looking for a hobby. That's what it appears to be. Okay. I like him.
Okay. That's what it is. Okay.
He definitely shouldn't be doing this.
But she's the only one kind of trying to be messy.
When I watch Roni, I'm just watching a bunch of friends hanging out, having a good time.
In fairness to her, like at least with Brittany, she walks into this group of women who are like willing and able to be messy. And it's just like you're expecting Rebecca to come in with like this classy look.
But she's fitting in with the group. This is my point.
I know. I know. Same. All right. Well, it is time for vibes versus stats. And then we got the incredible Jackie Tone. She is with us coming up shortly. All right. Let's get into it.
The beginning of time.
The Eagles are more blue collar.
Ooh, that looks dirty.
Again, they do have a courthouse in the stadium during games.
Sensitive era.
So like oil money.
The Cowboys are in a slump.
I just want the vibes group to note Mary's objection. She's riding hard for the Eagles.
You can jump.
I'm going to go Eagles. I'm going to go Eagles.
Okay. What do we got? Game two.
Just a bunch of tobacco chewing mongrels.
It's a pleasant group.
I think, isn't the assumption that there was a bit of an overlap with Giselle and Mr. Karate?
I mean, let's be real, though. And then the Jaguars, they barely even have a fan base.
That's why they're probably going to be the first London team.
They're going to move to London?
It's like if it'd be in Florida, you might as well be near water.
jacksonville is near water is it yeah okay wait i am curious though so you said in the north you said that they're going to leave to london yeah well that's a lot of speculation they haven't played games the nfl is trying to expand globally they've played a lot of games in london and then that would count for the super bowl they may play the super bowl yeah i could see the super bowl so they get the super bowl definitely one day be in london for sure and that looks like a man from london town i mean the cat ears are cute yeah actually maybe honestly i don't love cheetah prince
Yeah, purple face, Goldilocks.
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She was one of my first guests ever.
And Mario Lansky. Mario? Mir? Mar?
But I don't take myself that seriously.
It used to be John Mayer. John Mayer really got me through some breakups.
I thought we had a great show.
You do watch.
And I watched Bachelorette. Was that you studying for your character? Because everyone on that show is a big reality TV fan.
How has the success of the new show been for you?
She's everywhere. So good.
I mean, listen, I've I've gotten tougher feedback.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh.
I am from Milwaukee. Jeff Dom Wishes!
The show is, like, shockingly good. And not shocking, like, I just feel like most of the, like, shows that, like, specifically Netflix drops, the rom-coms, it's always, like, kind of cute and fine and nice and, like, whatever. But, like, we turned it on after the craze. We're like, all right, we'll give it a shot. And it was just, like, that was so fucking good. We're laughing at it.
out loud the hallway. We're binging through. We finished it in a day and a half.
Did you when you when you guys were making it where you're like this, this is really good material or you're like, we'll see. I don't know.
Zach Ryan is posting like she never existed.
How does it work when you're friends with someone who's so involved in the show, but also being professional, you want to like go through proper channels? Like, how do you tiptoe around that?
Is he the Taylor Swift of country men?
Hammer time.
They're like, excuse me, can we help you while you're here?
You guys, not to take any away from Kristen. But you guys kind of steal some of the scenes. You and your TV husband.
Don't tell her. You guys are very funny.
Good things get lost in the shuffle.
We can have a watch party, Jackie. We were actually looking for it. When does it come out? It's soon.
But you're right. It's like kind of niche, you know? Like most people.
Those numbers must have been huge.
Are you getting noticed more?
People love the artist.
For those who don't know, Craig's is a very sceney restaurant. Pop Rocks, you will get packed.
It's like a steakhouse, right?
You always see a celebrity or two because it is good food and it is a nice vibe. But a lot of people show up for the pops to be seen.
I look great.
I love a jean, you know, jacket.
Look at that one, I've never seen that one. You're like, aw, shucks.
We have dogs named Jeff and Steve.
Can we put like a perfume on him or something?
Jeff sleeps on my head.
Steve ate through his first two kennels?
So we had to get a metal one. Yes.
They love our kids.
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Volf House Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. And, babe, I know we're going to work out. I know we are going to make it forever. But if for some reason we don't.
yeah they got their girls back it's and it's and it's a funny it's silly and it's goofy and they're talking shit in a very creative way i'm a sucker for autotune kind of giving like old school youtube beef yeah you know which i love i was gonna say i'm kind of all day throw it back can we just do a silly one yeah like a silly little diss track what is the last diss track you remember
Yeah, I feel like she went to a website. What a headache.
Say something about Britney Spears.
Well, something.
Britney Spears doesn't know magic. Prove it.
Natalie's reading.
That's kind of like me watching porn next to you in bed when you go to bed. What?
She did it two weeks ago.
Well, before she got pregnant, she was working full-time. I was working full-time. And then her surgeon loves her.
And so he keeps texting her, when can you come back, when can you come back? And now it's like a whenever. He takes her when she can. He can get her.
Are those Velcro shoes?
Do you think Gypsy Rose's ex Ryan should make a diss track? Because they'd be messy right now.
But did you have to share the profits or?
Do you like deliberately not wear them over to her house now? Can I tell you something?
It's the mood.
Are you starting to get more free stuff now that you're super famous?
That would have been kind of hilarious. Be like, actually, I really like that shirt.
She grabbed them and ran out of the house. Didn't even say goodbye.
How often do you visit?
I kind of respect the hypocrisy and delusion and just full force.
What?
Your parents were gym teachers?
Yeah, maybe she's just, you know, maybe she's feeling a certain sort of way. Her body's alienating her.
Oh, it's the greatest. Does this come with age? I will say as I get older, I get grumpier.
Right before I met Natalie, I think my friends were a little worried that I was.
Yeah. Seven, eight years.
Yeah. I met Natalie and I just like, wow, he's just a little letter on his feet. I really found out I was a real grumpy guy.
I thought I was just being honest.
Gypsy, I'll always have your back.
Like it's bad, but it was okay because it wasn't wrong. It's hot.
There's a lot of sex scenes.
I don't know that she implied that she was.
You look like a Barbie doll.
You wanted to tell Justin something about Glow. Glow, yes.
And then it's going to have a whole new... Especially season three. It'll be trending back on Netflix or something.
Which makes nobody wants this that much cooler.
When are you guys going to pick up the cameras again?
For how much?
I'd probably do it for 50 bucks.
Twerk on him? Twerk on him?
I'm literally just bending over, what, shaking my ass?
No, she's a real star now.
And he has to smack it.
I don't, like, dare? Like, I'm not, like... That's true, I would do it too. I'm not afraid. Like, what is gonna happen?
This is before they let you use instruments. Yeah.
To be clear, my pants are still on in this scenario.
It was like it's not rigged, but they well, they do what they want.
Len.
But you know what they thought there was like this person actually she's going to be a real there's a different path for her. You could have been pigeonholed as a reality TV star. You wouldn't have wanted that.
Yeah, Gypsy would be commenting on your post.
Absolutely not.
She's got huge feet.
We got married three months after she had a baby.
That's exactly Michigan.
Gypsy, where's my camera? I'm just kidding. I'm sorry. I always have your back.
Or like a really cute, tiny ornament of a T-shirt.
Did you save Michigan?
Like her daughter.
It's her feet for me. I like her little toes.
I just.
No, we follow up.
Yeah, no, like, inside it's nicer and bigger, but, like, it's somewhere.
Yeah, it was so convenient.
It kind of feels like getting the test was like there was some uncertainty.
Why of all days are you supposed to digitize something that you filmed?
I can wait. So, like, we have three or four kids. We're done having kids. And then I don't know. Maybe I die. I die. Because I would never leave you. What the hell is going on? What's better, me leaving you or me dying?
Yeah, we really got into it this season.
After we interviewed him, I would DM him every three days and be like, are you okay? How are you doing?
I should probably check in on him. Thanks for reminding me.
Yeah, he was kind of giving fuck boy. But the Internet is so fucking mean.
And they just I mean, when we interviewed him, he was I honestly it was I felt bad. I mean, he was kind of I think Nick hugged him like maybe four times. Yeah.
And like the fans of Traders are so much different than like.
Like not Celebrity UK. Like there's like a Normie.
No, there's like a Normie version.
Just listen to our episode with him.
All right.
I'm very excited about that. Yeah.
We'll have grandma babysit.
Karen, we have you back on without recording 800 episodes in between.
Jackie, can you let the people know where to follow you on social media?
Gotta get that merch.
could do very well on there.
It is like work, though.
I haven't been on there as a consumer in maybe six months.
It'd be us.
Yeah.
Oh. That makes sense. I'm sure it did a lot of people.
she passed i'm so sorry i killed her uh we could keep talking i think for hours we're gonna have to kick you out love you guys it's so comfortable in here i never want to leave but thank you guys for listening uh we will see you back on monday but don't forget if you haven't checked out the going deeper episode with ashley from love is blind she gets into all the gritty details about her relationship with tyler the baby mama drama she comes with receipts she
Puts in all the context that you were hoping to get all the answers in terms of why she is happily married and for, you know, why maybe people should just kind of listen to the full story before jumping to conclusions. That is all on the episode of Going Deeper. Plus, we have Ramses earlier this week on Tuesday who faced the fire of us.
Obviously, we were pretty hard on him and we give Ramses a lot of credit for coming on the show. But be sure to check that out. We are back next week, our Going Deeper episode with the very charming and wonderful couple Garrett and Taylor. They are with us on Wednesday and we have a jam-packed week next week as well for Reality Recap. We'll see you then. Bye!
She's on the glass case. Ariel, but as a mermaid, not as a human.
She's really officially made it.
She's on a float with Jimmy Kimmel by herself.
There's a white man with brown hair that hosts a show late at night. How dare you? Oh, I apologize to Kimmel for that. But, I mean, kind of a big deal. Like, post Vanderpump by herself, like, not as a member of Vanderpump, just as Ariana Maddox. Well, I wonder if she's... She's on Broadway.
Are we going to get Ariana?
Annie did it before.
Why are you trying to talk shit about Ariana?
Knock on wood. Later on this episode, we got the amazing Jackie Tone from the new hit show, Nobody Wants This. If you haven't watched it on Netflix, I don't know what you're doing because it's truly amazing. But she's with us and she's so much fun. Get ready to laugh out loud. Would you only date men with a vasectomy?
What are you thinking about, Natalie?
I would be proud.
You would be upset?
I would be so proud of River's initiative.
Definitely wouldn't ruin my day. That's for sure.
Well, now I'm just excited she got invited to Lala Kent's event.
Is it? Oh. Are you going?
Are you going to say hi? Do you think Lala Kent knows you're coming or do you think you got invited as like an influencer?
You're just on the invite.
How are you going to feel if she acts like she doesn't know you exist?
There's like a 9 out of 10.
You already met.
Yeah. When? At least the Vanderpump's event. Well, Natalie's doing it.
What was the advice?
I think it's just highways. It's dark outside.
I think it's just highways. It's dark outside.
Highway signs. Get off. Get on. Exit. I-35.
Highway signs. Get off. Get on. Exit. I-35.
And then we went along and we got to Mount Norman. I think I was very tired. I fall asleep quickly.
And then we went along and we got to Mount Norman. I think I was very tired. I fall asleep quickly.
Well, I'm well. Excuse me. I'll be 90 next February.
Well, I'm well. Excuse me. I'll be 90 next February.
It's okay. But let me say this. I found that if you publicly identify somebody, the devil really can come in and try to take away their testimony i would just urge you that if you do write this that's honoring to your mom and dad but you don't want the devil jumping on them so do you understand that i do yeah
It's okay. But let me say this. I found that if you publicly identify somebody, the devil really can come in and try to take away their testimony i would just urge you that if you do write this that's honoring to your mom and dad but you don't want the devil jumping on them so do you understand that i do yeah
Well, no. When the Chinese started coming over here from mainland China, they had never been in a church. They had never met a Christian. They had never seen a Bible. But they came over here wanting to know our culture.
Well, no. When the Chinese started coming over here from mainland China, they had never been in a church. They had never met a Christian. They had never seen a Bible. But they came over here wanting to know our culture.
I think somewhere close to 450 Chinese, closer maybe even to 550, During that time over the years, we didn't rush them. We didn't want them to become Christians to please us, but we would love them. We'd take them on trips. We'd have Bible study with them.
I think somewhere close to 450 Chinese, closer maybe even to 550, During that time over the years, we didn't rush them. We didn't want them to become Christians to please us, but we would love them. We'd take them on trips. We'd have Bible study with them.
And then your dad looked up and smiled and he said, this wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. And And he was really happy. And I looked over at your mom, and she was crying. And I said, what's the matter? And she said, well, you're a Christian, and now my husband's a Christian, but I'm the only one that's not a Christian.
And then your dad looked up and smiled and he said, this wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. And And he was really happy. And I looked over at your mom, and she was crying. And I said, what's the matter? And she said, well, you're a Christian, and now my husband's a Christian, but I'm the only one that's not a Christian.
I said, well, be patient. We'll get to that. But you need to know what it's all about first. Oh, I loved your parents.
I said, well, be patient. We'll get to that. But you need to know what it's all about first. Oh, I loved your parents.
Oh, it was only maybe a month or two or three weeks.
Oh, it was only maybe a month or two or three weeks.
Lord, thank you for this wonderful invention, the phone, that Bohan and me join our hearts at the throne of grace. And Lord, I just want to thank you for Bohan calling, and I pray that for the rest of his life, that he will walk with you till he draws his last breath. In Christ's name, amen.
Lord, thank you for this wonderful invention, the phone, that Bohan and me join our hearts at the throne of grace. And Lord, I just want to thank you for Bohan calling, and I pray that for the rest of his life, that he will walk with you till he draws his last breath. In Christ's name, amen.
There's a TV announcement saying, don't go to Tiananmen Square. They go to bed. In the middle of the night, we heard some gunshots.
There's a TV announcement saying, don't go to Tiananmen Square. They go to bed. In the middle of the night, we heard some gunshots.
In the morning, we were planning to visit a friend to bicycle to her home. On the way, we saw a lot of buses, you know, they were turned around and blocked the road. And also a lot of huge trucks, like armored vehicles, just parked along the highways, blocking the road.
In the morning, we were planning to visit a friend to bicycle to her home. On the way, we saw a lot of buses, you know, they were turned around and blocked the road. And also a lot of huge trucks, like armored vehicles, just parked along the highways, blocking the road.
I asked Sang Di to help me. That's how I think I prayed for the first time.
I asked Sang Di to help me. That's how I think I prayed for the first time.
We don't have the habit of praying growing up. We don't have the habit of praying... or talking to a god or something. So it just came natural, you know. I just lying on bed and say, oh, God help me.
We don't have the habit of praying growing up. We don't have the habit of praying... or talking to a god or something. So it just came natural, you know. I just lying on bed and say, oh, God help me.
So I think in my case, I will meet someone else and I will come to the faith, yeah.
So I think in my case, I will meet someone else and I will come to the faith, yeah.
Well, I think it's a fundamental truth God revealed to us in the Bible. And then everyone has to make a decision either to accept it or reject it.
Well, I think it's a fundamental truth God revealed to us in the Bible. And then everyone has to make a decision either to accept it or reject it.
Yeah, I was alone, and I was looking for someone to pick me up, but all the passengers left, and no one stayed around, and no sign for picking me up. So as I was trying to leave, thinking what I'm going to do, And then this nice gentleman approached me.
Yeah, I was alone, and I was looking for someone to pick me up, but all the passengers left, and no one stayed around, and no sign for picking me up. So as I was trying to leave, thinking what I'm going to do, And then this nice gentleman approached me.
And he comes here to pick me up. He's about the same height, and he wears glasses. He has a very warm smile.
And he comes here to pick me up. He's about the same height, and he wears glasses. He has a very warm smile.
Yeah, he smells warmly and said he's going to take me. So I was so happy to see him.
Yeah, he smells warmly and said he's going to take me. So I was so happy to see him.
He told me to sleep in this room, so I took a shower and went to sleep.
He told me to sleep in this room, so I took a shower and went to sleep.
I was pretty young then. I was like two years out of college.
I was pretty young then. I was like two years out of college.
I was green. There were other people there that were a lot more experienced than I was. I was more likely to be out there with hiking boots and long hair and just getting dirty.
I was green. There were other people there that were a lot more experienced than I was. I was more likely to be out there with hiking boots and long hair and just getting dirty.
We have a call for you. Mr. Donner is is calling. And I'm like, oh, my goodness, this is Dick Donner calling from Hollywood. Like what is and and there's Dick and he's like all in a flutter.
We have a call for you. Mr. Donner is is calling. And I'm like, oh, my goodness, this is Dick Donner calling from Hollywood. Like what is and and there's Dick and he's like all in a flutter.
And he's like, you know, this movie is going to be big. He's like, it's going to be a great movie. And I'm doing this because I want to make a difference for Wales. And I want to know, are you in?
And he's like, you know, this movie is going to be big. He's like, it's going to be a great movie. And I'm doing this because I want to make a difference for Wales. And I want to know, are you in?
The kit was like steps you can take, like go watch whales in the wild instead of going to watch them in captivity and put pressure on the International Whaling Commission to stop killing whales.
The kit was like steps you can take, like go watch whales in the wild instead of going to watch them in captivity and put pressure on the International Whaling Commission to stop killing whales.
I was like, I was, it was just dizzying because I'm starting to think, wait, how does this even work?
I was like, I was, it was just dizzying because I'm starting to think, wait, how does this even work?
He was like, nobody else can do this. You have to do this. You've got to do this. The kids are depending on it. Everybody is depending on it. You've got to do this. Will you try?
He was like, nobody else can do this. You have to do this. You've got to do this. The kids are depending on it. Everybody is depending on it. You've got to do this. Will you try?
First time I ever went to Mexico to see Keiko, I was completely freaked out. I was just, I was sitting up at the bleachers, looking down at this whale in this tiny pool in Mexico City. And he didn't look good. He swam in very small circles. And he could make it across his pool in just a matter of seconds. It was very, very poor facility swimming.
First time I ever went to Mexico to see Keiko, I was completely freaked out. I was just, I was sitting up at the bleachers, looking down at this whale in this tiny pool in Mexico City. And he didn't look good. He swam in very small circles. And he could make it across his pool in just a matter of seconds. It was very, very poor facility swimming.
I almost started crying, really, to tell you the truth. I was just hit by it, saying, this is just, this just can't work.
I almost started crying, really, to tell you the truth. I was just hit by it, saying, this is just, this just can't work.
And where are we supposed to bring him? We're not bringing him into, like, we couldn't bring him into the captive facility. I'm thinking, where are we going to go? We're not going to take him to some place where he's having to perform or be in a captive environment where they're making money off of these whales. We couldn't do that. So we're going to have to build a place.
And where are we supposed to bring him? We're not bringing him into, like, we couldn't bring him into the captive facility. I'm thinking, where are we going to go? We're not going to take him to some place where he's having to perform or be in a captive environment where they're making money off of these whales. We couldn't do that. So we're going to have to build a place.
And that's just a step one.
And that's just a step one.
How are we going to get him back to Iceland? It's a whaling nation. Are you kidding me? What, we're going to go over to Iceland and convince them that we want to bring back this whale because the world wants to save him?
How are we going to get him back to Iceland? It's a whaling nation. Are you kidding me? What, we're going to go over to Iceland and convince them that we want to bring back this whale because the world wants to save him?
Yeah, exactly. While I was down there and on the way back, I was like, I lined it out. I was way over $10 million. And I was like, at that point, I pretty much just stashed it back in my pack saying, I don't know about this. It's just, I don't, you know, we're not used to things with six figures behind it. I could see about like 10 impossible steps here.
Yeah, exactly. While I was down there and on the way back, I was like, I lined it out. I was way over $10 million. And I was like, at that point, I pretty much just stashed it back in my pack saying, I don't know about this. It's just, I don't, you know, we're not used to things with six figures behind it. I could see about like 10 impossible steps here.
You talk about trying to protect all the oceans and that those are the big issues. Those are the big, huge issues.
You talk about trying to protect all the oceans and that those are the big issues. Those are the big, huge issues.
unsolvable problems global warming etc but they're so diffuse people can't see acidification rising in the oceans they can't see the coral reefs dying out most most of the time they're not seeing it there's nothing it's too broad to say the oceans are dying there are no grab points there are no things to manifest what's at risk but
unsolvable problems global warming etc but they're so diffuse people can't see acidification rising in the oceans they can't see the coral reefs dying out most most of the time they're not seeing it there's nothing it's too broad to say the oceans are dying there are no grab points there are no things to manifest what's at risk but
Whales are one of the things that is just so otherworldly, so majestic, just incredibly, amazingly intelligent, social, powerful. And that means something. It hits people in a different way than talking about the threats to the ocean ecosystems. And that's what got me over my own view that this is only one whale.
Whales are one of the things that is just so otherworldly, so majestic, just incredibly, amazingly intelligent, social, powerful. And that means something. It hits people in a different way than talking about the threats to the ocean ecosystems. And that's what got me over my own view that this is only one whale.
It's like, yeah, he's one whale, but he's going to be the most famous or he could be the most famous whale in the world.
It's like, yeah, he's one whale, but he's going to be the most famous or he could be the most famous whale in the world.
It's kind of funny because it was part of the movie narrative. They were like, how far would you go for a whale? He went as far as, you know, getting him, raising up his arm and saying some magical words and having... and having Willie jump over the breakwater into freedom. I mean, simplistic? Yes. But that's what our narrative was, too. How far could Keiko go?
It's kind of funny because it was part of the movie narrative. They were like, how far would you go for a whale? He went as far as, you know, getting him, raising up his arm and saying some magical words and having... and having Willie jump over the breakwater into freedom. I mean, simplistic? Yes. But that's what our narrative was, too. How far could Keiko go?
Is this Dick Donner calling from Hollywood?
Is this Dick Donner calling from Hollywood?
He holds up a yearling.
He holds up a yearling.
No, that's what happened. Hey, there you go. He saved his life. So I said, I can't kill this deer. The whole deer world is giving up themselves to save it.
No, that's what happened. Hey, there you go. He saved his life. So I said, I can't kill this deer. The whole deer world is giving up themselves to save it.
Well, I actually got the yearling and ate it.
Well, I actually got the yearling and ate it.
He holds up a yearling.
No, that's what happened. Hey, there you go. He saved his life. So I said, I can't kill this deer. The whole deer world is giving up themselves to save it.
Well, I actually got the yearling and ate it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Oh, it's such a clutch off-season pickup, Dave. I was worried we'd bring back the same team. I meant those blackout motorized shades. Blinds.com made it crazy affordable to replace our old blinds. Hard to install? No, it's easy. I installed these and then got some from my mom. She talked to a design consultant for free and scheduled a professional measure and install. Hall of Fame son.
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All right.
All right.
Yeah.
Oh, it's such a clutch off-season pickup, Dave. I was worried we'd bring back the same team. I meant those blackout motorized shades. Blinds.com made it crazy affordable to replace our old blinds. Hard to install? No, it's easy. I installed these and then got some from my mom. She talked to a design consultant for free and scheduled a professional measure and install. Hall of Fame son.
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All right.
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So he had pepper spray and a knife.
So he had pepper spray and a knife.
I'm the white nigga. You know? I'm the white nigga.
I'm the white nigga. You know? I'm the white nigga.
I'm the white nigga. You what? I'm the white nigga. You can't say that, bro. The fuck I can't. I'll say whatever the fuck I want. You cannot say that because you're white. That racist. I'm a white nigga. You're racist, bro. I don't give a fuck. You're not.
So he had pepper spray and a knife.
I'm the white nigga. You know? I'm the white nigga.