Dave Dameshek

Is that right?

You lucky devil.

Don't make me jealous.

Love the Mallories.

Bill Mallory, that's one of those things that happens with certain teams and certain programs along the way.

They went 8-3, and they would go to bowl games.

And you think, like, pretty heady stuff for the Indiana Hoosiers against Michigan and Ohio State.

But that wasn't good enough, and they showed them the door.

And that proved to be a mistake until… It was a big mistake.

Till Cignetti happens and because of the NIL and everything else, what can you glean from that turnaround and the way coaches and people in your spot talk about like, give me five years to turn this program around?

How do you make sense of this new world we're living in?

I think it's the right time, right place.

I remember it.

I remember it well.

But your focus is, though, and I like it spiritually, you know, Pittsburgh and all of that kind of stuff in provincial part of the country and everything, that it seems to me from a distance is that your focus is trying to get guys for four years.

It's not about trying to work.

Who can we get for one more year to to gild the lily a little bit?

But we want guys that are a part of the program for half a decade.

Well, I don't have to tell you there is so much pride in the high school football and all that, you know, that that that is, I think that versus tapping into Florida or Texas or otherwise, the dream would be like they're all from the region.

They're all within 40 miles of city center kind of thing.