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was that the parties would not insist on a full and permanent resolution of all the big questions at once, but there would be a series of interim agreements which would, over time, build trust between the two sides and encourage more advanced efforts to diffuse tension, encourage peace, eventually share land.

I'm wondering, does that approach make sense to you in retrospect, and is it a guide for how to move forward now?

A two-state solution.

Yes.

Let's take another break here and let me reintroduce you.

We are speaking with Aaron David Miller.

He's a former State Department negotiator, currently a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

We'll continue our conversation in just a moment.

This is Fresh Air.

You know, when Trump suggested pardoning Netanyahu at the Knesset on Monday, there was applause.

But, you know, once the excitement of the hostage return begins to subside, what kind of support will Netanyahu have in Israel?

And you're talking about holding Netanyahu accountable for the intelligence failures in the 2023 attack.

Right.

You know, Trump praised Netanyahu for this agreement and they had the terrific interaction before the Knesset.

But the International Criminal Court still see Netanyahu as a war criminal for the campaign in Gaza.

How does that affect his relationships with Arab allies and prospects for future collaboration?

You know, you've been at the project of peace in this region for much, maybe most of your professional life.

In the 90s, there seemed to be a real moment of hope for a solution.

Different situation today.

Can you still find reasons for hope?