Dave Davies

A 14-year-old kid, yeah.

So let's talk about Randy Weaver and his wife, Vicki.

They lived in Iowa before they went to Idaho.

Randy served in the Army and was trained in special forces, I guess a Green Beret, although he was never deployed in combat.

Vicki came from a religious background.

One of her ancestors was a leader in an offshoot of the Mormon church.

So she grew up surrounded by Scripture.

Tell us a bit about the family, kind of what their life was like, what they believed.

They would host Bible meetings at home.

They were very active in their views and very active in worship and held beliefs that the apocalypse was not far away, I guess.

What convinced them they should move to a remote hillside in Idaho?

So when they arrived at this fairly remote place in the panhandle of Idaho, they found there were a whole lot of people like them there, survivalists to right homesteaders, back to the landers.

And some of them were some really militant, heavily armed right-wing groups like the Order, which committed robberies and murders and killed police officers.

The Weavers also attended the World Congress of the Aryan Nation, which was not so far from where they lived.

What's striking is that a lot of these militant hate groups are motivated by great contempt for people of color and Jews and others.

Vicki Weaver really just saw herself as a woman devoted to the Word of God and that this is what Scripture demanded.

You interviewed some people who knew the Weavers, right?

I mean what was your sense?

I mean what really motivated her?

I mean were they really Nazi sympathizers?