Dave Davies

Wow. So what are some of the darkest fears? I mean, starting nuclear war, you set it to defend territory with drones and it gets – decides it needs to be more aggressive than the generals want to. I mean, what is it – what are the fears?

Wow. So what are some of the darkest fears? I mean, starting nuclear war, you set it to defend territory with drones and it gets – decides it needs to be more aggressive than the generals want to. I mean, what is it – what are the fears?

Right, right. You know, there's something that you wrote in the book. You wrote about a couple of tech guys, Tristan Harris and Azar Raskin, who had real experience in the tech world, who said they worried about AI because it's a technology whose creators confess they do not understand why their models do what they do. Is that literally true? That's kind of scary. Yeah.

Right, right. You know, there's something that you wrote in the book. You wrote about a couple of tech guys, Tristan Harris and Azar Raskin, who had real experience in the tech world, who said they worried about AI because it's a technology whose creators confess they do not understand why their models do what they do. Is that literally true? That's kind of scary. Yeah.

Right, right. You know, there's something that you wrote in the book. You wrote about a couple of tech guys, Tristan Harris and Azar Raskin, who had real experience in the tech world, who said they worried about AI because it's a technology whose creators confess they do not understand why their models do what they do. Is that literally true? That's kind of scary. Yeah.

One more thing about the national political scene. There's a lot of talk about tech bros and Donald Trump. Elon Musk is clearly a driving force in the administration's effort to cut federal workforce and contracts. There are a bunch of billionaires from the tech world at his inauguration. Do you think that there's an elite tech agenda to radically reshape society at work through Donald Trump?

One more thing about the national political scene. There's a lot of talk about tech bros and Donald Trump. Elon Musk is clearly a driving force in the administration's effort to cut federal workforce and contracts. There are a bunch of billionaires from the tech world at his inauguration. Do you think that there's an elite tech agenda to radically reshape society at work through Donald Trump?

One more thing about the national political scene. There's a lot of talk about tech bros and Donald Trump. Elon Musk is clearly a driving force in the administration's effort to cut federal workforce and contracts. There are a bunch of billionaires from the tech world at his inauguration. Do you think that there's an elite tech agenda to radically reshape society at work through Donald Trump?

You know, the account that you give us in the book is pretty detailed and really interesting about how all this unfolded. One of the things that struck me is that some of the leading players in developing AI weren't just coders or computer nerds. A lot of them studied classics or philosophy or worked in completely unrelated fields. Is there a connection here?

You know, the account that you give us in the book is pretty detailed and really interesting about how all this unfolded. One of the things that struck me is that some of the leading players in developing AI weren't just coders or computer nerds. A lot of them studied classics or philosophy or worked in completely unrelated fields. Is there a connection here?

You know, the account that you give us in the book is pretty detailed and really interesting about how all this unfolded. One of the things that struck me is that some of the leading players in developing AI weren't just coders or computer nerds. A lot of them studied classics or philosophy or worked in completely unrelated fields. Is there a connection here?

It's difficult.

It's difficult.

It's difficult.

I'm going to take another break here. We are speaking with Gary Rivlin. He's a veteran investigative reporter. His new book is AI Valley, Microsoft, Google, and the Trillion Dollar Race to Cash in on Artificial Intelligence. He'll be back to talk more after a short break. I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air.

I'm going to take another break here. We are speaking with Gary Rivlin. He's a veteran investigative reporter. His new book is AI Valley, Microsoft, Google, and the Trillion Dollar Race to Cash in on Artificial Intelligence. He'll be back to talk more after a short break. I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air.

I'm going to take another break here. We are speaking with Gary Rivlin. He's a veteran investigative reporter. His new book is AI Valley, Microsoft, Google, and the Trillion Dollar Race to Cash in on Artificial Intelligence. He'll be back to talk more after a short break. I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air.

You made the point earlier that it's enormously expensive to develop AI. I mean the talent is high-priced and it takes tons and tons of computing power to develop the systems, to run them once you have them, which means not a couple three million dollars but hundreds of millions in some cases or more, which means that the big companies in tech – Microsoft, Google, Meta, we all know the names –

You made the point earlier that it's enormously expensive to develop AI. I mean the talent is high-priced and it takes tons and tons of computing power to develop the systems, to run them once you have them, which means not a couple three million dollars but hundreds of millions in some cases or more, which means that the big companies in tech – Microsoft, Google, Meta, we all know the names –

You made the point earlier that it's enormously expensive to develop AI. I mean the talent is high-priced and it takes tons and tons of computing power to develop the systems, to run them once you have them, which means not a couple three million dollars but hundreds of millions in some cases or more, which means that the big companies in tech – Microsoft, Google, Meta, we all know the names –