Dave Davies

They have not reacted with enthusiasm, right?

And France was talking about putting together some kind of coalition to, I don't know, take some initiative of their own in the Strait, I think.

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We're not going to see commercial shipping in the strait until shippers and insurers are convinced that it's safe to navigate and these expensive ships and whatever they're carrying are safe.

It seems the Iranians have dropped a lot of mines there.

Trump says the U.S.

will be trying to clear them.

Any sense of how difficult that will be?

Trevor Burrus Trump indicated at one point that the United States might join with Iran in charging tolls to commercial ships moving through the strait.

I mean he said, look, we're the winner.

We won.

Why shouldn't we benefit?

What's your reaction to that?