Dave Davies

And it still took two years.

Whereas I think my sense is that Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, they want the Iranians to pledge that they will give up any ambitions to have a nuclear policy.

You really need more detail than that, don't you?

The other thing is that, you know, diplomacy typically requires great care and discretion in one's communications, especially public communications.

And I'm wondering, you know, what's been the effect of having a social media platform in the president's hands which allows him to share his thoughts without review or editing at any time?

I mean, how do you say that?

To the Iranian protesters who were being gunned down.

Which is from the Nixon era, right?

Let's take another break here.

We are speaking with Aaron David Miller.

He spent 25 years in the U.S.

State Department.

He's now a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

We'll continue our conversation in just a moment.

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You co-authored an essay with Daniel Kurtzer about the prospects for transformational change in the region.

I think suggesting that American policymakers have overestimated the extent to which the United States can really rearrange things in the Middle East.

Do you want to explain what you were getting at here?

You know, we were talking about diplomacy.

There is a point of view that Iran's experience over the past 10 years or so is likely to make it more committed than ever to developing a nuclear weapon because it discovers that it really can't count on negotiations with the United States to