Dave Evans

So that's the second half of life transition for people.

And the way I characterize the big challenge of that, and these are all

Not all necessarily rich hedge fund people from New York, but we've got plenty of those.

It could be a nonprofit leader, but they're all distinguished people who had impact and enjoyed doing that impactful thing well and got into it and were in the flow.

And now they don't necessarily want to be that person anymore.

So it's the shift from role to soul.

So the shift from I'm a role-based person.

I'm really good at this gymnast thing.

I'm really good at the surgery thing.

And I still value that, but it's not first and foremost where my identity wants to come from now.

And as I move away from that, you know, it's sticky.

And boy, I'm really good at making that version of me work.

And that's where kind of the shift into a greater maturity is a very elective move.

And it starts anywhere from 30 to never.

Not much before 30 because you don't get a neocortex until you're 27 or 28, a little later in men, big surprise.

But look, you don't get a Buddha, you don't get a Moses, you don't get a Jesus until 30, 40 in Moses' case.

It takes a while to make a person.

But once you get past making a person, then you've got to build an ego before you can transcend it.

You've got to have a life container before you can empty it.

So that task of turning yourself into a person in your 20s, 30s, and 40s is a really important task.