Dave Hanratty

But when it comes to David and Victoria, you're like, that could be me.

If I was as good a footballer as him, I could have the world as well.

And, you know, he seems kind of humble and down to earth, at least for a time.

She too, as well.

She seems like a good mother.

You know, like, people flip between...

and look there is a big level here of media coercion as well because I remember vividly seeing Victoria Beckham years ago on a documentary and she was talking about how like one of the magazines the cheapo magazines that are constantly about like you know here's a celebrity on the beach look at how fat they are and it's like they look normal but like

She was saying, oh, I'm being criticized for being too skinny over here and over here.

And then six pages later, you have a thing where it's like, get Victoria's body or, you know, look, like lose two dress sizes in two weeks.

It's all part of the carousel of that as well.

So that's been going on forever again.

And all social media has done, of course, is exacerbate that massively.

She's very respected in that field though.

Fame is a drug, ultimately.

And I think when you put yourself in the spotlight that much, and they are natural performers, right?

I mean, they know how to work a camera.

They know how to speak to people.

They're exceptionally media trained.

They're very, very careful people.

But they do crave the spotlight.