Dave Mack

And maybe that's why you're seeing, they just look devastated to me.

The whole family does.

And all the communication is one way.

It's coming from the kidnappers to them.

They have no way of contacting the kidnapper or kidnappers at this point.

They've been given no communication way of reaching out.

That's why Cameron said, we need to know you've

got her we need okay and we need you to reach out to us to tell us how to get up with you they don't know who it is but it could be somebody they've seen a lot

There was.

There was a noticeable spike at 2 a.m.

So you're talking about 13 minutes after the camera is pulled down and...

That 13-minute window, you know, the first thing that happens when they're checking on somebody is a phone call.

Are you okay?

That's usually what happens with home security systems.

And then if nothing there, then the police.

At 2 o'clock, I believe anyway, that that's when the kidnapper or kidnappers were actually in her room and putting hands on her, getting her up out of bed.

You know, Nancy, this is one of those situations where

the media interest because people are so fascinated by this mainly because of savannah guthrie but also the fact that there's an 84 year old woman missing and it's got people going crazy so yeah um the fact that we know there are ransom notes you know we've had plenty of missing people cases that we've covered that didn't have ransom notes

But here we have them.

So all the crazies have come out of the woodwork and they're flooding.