Chapter 1: What updates are there on Nancy Guthrie's kidnapping case?
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The ration note that was distributed to the media did make a demand for 5 p.m. today. And if a transfer wasn't made, then I think a second demand was for next Monday. We're not going to go beyond that. But that was the ransom note the media received.
The suggestion that time is up for Savannah Guthrie's mother. But the perp issued another ultimatum, another deadline coming up in two days. Breaking news.
Chapter 2: What details are known about the ransom note received?
Savannah Guthrie's mother missing day six. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. With me, an all-star panel, each one an expert in their own right. Straight out to Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack. Dave Mack. HEARTBREAKING WATCHING CAMERON GUTHRIES PLEA. THIS ON THE HEELS OF SISTER SAVANNAH.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE ONLY SEEN OUR agonizing plea for her mother to be brought home. I want you to hear Cameron Guthrie's plea for his mother to be brought home. Listen.
This is Cameron Guthrie. I'm speaking for the Guthrie family.
Chapter 3: How did the family respond to Nancy's disappearance?
Whoever is out there holding our mother, we want to hear from you. We haven't heard anything directly. We need you to reach out, and we need a way to communicate with you so we can move forward. But first, we have to know that you have our mom. We want to talk to you, and we are waiting for contact.
Are they going to have to go old school to find Nancy Guthrie? I'm talking about dogs, drones, looking at the area. How far could she have gotten? Are there two or more people involved? This, as many speculate, the perp is within or close to the family. But I just want to tell you, let me go straight out to you, Dave Mack. I find it very, very hard to believe.
Let's see a shot of Savannah with Sister Annie and Brother Cameron as they were making that plea. I find it very difficult to believe, Dave Mack, that the brother and the sister and Savannah could sit there begging for the return of their mother while secretly wondering, hey, is Cousin Larry part of this? I mean, knowing something of that import, I... I don't see it, Dave Mack.
I mean, I know what the statistics say. I know the statistics say look to those closest to the victim. But just looking at the three siblings, I don't see it, Dave Mack. Or maybe it's that I don't want to see it.
Nancy, it looks to me like they don't consider it somebody that's very close to them. But, Nancy, in all probability, the person or persons involved in this had access to that house before. Now, that leaves you with gardeners, people that come by to help out with things around the house.
There are a lot of people that had access to that house, and they would have been familiar with camera placement and things like that that you've mentioned before about the granny cams. So there are a lot of people beyond that close family friend group that would have had access to that house. And maybe that's why you're seeing, they just look devastated to me. The whole family does.
And all the communication is one way. It's coming from the kidnappers to them. They have no way of contacting the kidnapper or kidnappers at this point. They've been given no communication way of reaching out. That's why Cameron said, we need to know you've
got her we need okay and we need you to reach out to us to tell us how to get up with you they don't know who it is but it could be somebody they've seen a lot
You know, Dave Mack, you're right. Again, a lot of speculation swirling about a family member somehow being involved, but when I look at those three, I just don't see it. Or maybe I'm blind, but I'm rejecting that. This, as the theory has swirled, of a really sinister plot to go into the home and remove the door cam, the front door cam. Let's see a shot of where the door cam would have been.
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Chapter 4: What investigative techniques are being used to find Nancy Guthrie?
And it really came to the forefront of our national knowledge, our bubble of knowledge during the Alex Murdoch trial, when a Secret Service witness took the stand to explain how it was used in that case, and it worked. This is what I'm thinking. Witness that observed the agent coming out with the youth head. It was like, you know, pouring gas on a flame. They suggested that the family's involved.
Number one, the family's always scrutinized first. Statistically, they are involved. I do not believe at this juncture that that is the case here. I want to defend them. So that is not out of the ordinary. This is what I think they should do, Chris McDonough. Everybody take a polygraph.
Everybody, everybody in the family, all the granny nannies, everyone that worked with her in her yard, in her driveway, the handyman, the Instacart person, the pizza guy, all of them, even the Sunday school teacher. Yes, I said it. Submit to a polygraph. What do you think about that, Chris McDonough? And then anybody that says H-E-L-L-N-O, they're at the top of my suspect list.
Yeah, I think almost immediately, that's not a bad idea. And I think that could be a path. But you can take Savannah and the brother off of that list right away. What the anomaly is in that UFED problem here is who brought it to the scene. And that was the ICAC team, Internet Crimes Against Children.
So this could be a whole other lane that's not even being looked at here that is kind of a one-off from the actual abduction of Miss Guthrie.
Okay, put him up. Are you saying that now we're investigating a crime on a child? Are you actually saying that?
I'm saying that, well, I'm saying it's possible.
Yes, yes, it's possible. Okay, no, no. They had the Celebrex, so they brought it over. Now, if I'm asking you to bring over some case files, do you put on a Crime Stories T-shirt? No. You come in what you're wearing. Case solved. I don't think there's a... You know what? Take him away. I'm going to let you sit there and think about what you just said. What? But, but, but, but, but, but what?
I'll tell you. Here's the deal. When you have a major case like this, and I've worked many of them, and you run across something, you go, what is this? Okay. You don't have the ICAC people show up with their UFED. That just doesn't happen. That is a secondary problem that they potentially could have run into. It may not be involved with Ms. Guthrie in any way, shape or form.
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Chapter 5: What role does technology play in the investigation?
You ever tried to try a case when the scene's been compromised? It's hell. It's like the golden lottery ticket for the defense to claim, oh, that wasn't there before. It was planted and so forth and so on. Can we get back to the... We all know by now, all you legal eagles know that a fake ransom note was delivered by text to Savannah and I think her brother and or her brother and sister.
That perp has been found, he's been arrested, and he's going to be prosecuted under federal law. And the theory is he used interstate commerce. What does that mean? Anything that crosses state lines has been deemed by our Supreme Court to be use of interstate commerce. Either you're driving across state lines, that's interstate, and you're using a vehicle and you bought gas. Hey, that's commerce.
You may be using the phone. You pay a phone bill, that's commerce. You may text. You may send a telegraph. It doesn't matter. If your communication crosses state lines or any way controlled by the federal government, you have used interstate commerce. Bam. Does that make sense to everybody? No, it doesn't, but it makes sense to the U.S. Supreme Court. So when this guy sent a text across U.S.
airwaves to Savannah for a ransom, which is a violation of the law, That's interstate commerce. He has already been booked and he is in jail. We have also learned, Dave Mack, that law enforcement has said all the fake ransoms are bogging down the investigation. There's that many.
You know, Nancy, this is one of those situations where the media interest because people are so fascinated by this mainly because of savannah guthrie but also the fact that there's an 84 year old woman missing and it's got people going crazy so yeah um the fact that we know there are ransom notes you know we've had plenty of missing people cases that we've covered that didn't have ransom notes
But here we have them. So all the crazies have come out of the woodwork and they're flooding. All the investigators have to take everything seriously. As they said from the very beginning, you know, before they even verified the first ransom notes we heard about, they were like, we are taking every tip Every call, seriously. They have to. It's an investigation.
And that's what they've been doing. That's how they were able to get the guy arrested in California so quickly. They've already got him admitting that he sent the fake messages, you know. They had him tied down in a matter of 24 hours, Nancy.
So, yeah, they're spending a lot of time on everything that comes into them, including fake ransom notes, trying to take advantage of a Bitcoin billionaire, you know.
You know, I'm thinking about technology, about going old school to solve this case. When we say old school, Todd Shipley, you were reeling off a lot of must-dos. What are they? What must be happening right now?
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Chapter 6: How are forensic experts analyzing the crime scene?
It has been reported that, yeah, they didn't pay for the subscription service. And so the cameras didn't record anything other than for eight hours. And then it just continued to tape over. So there is nothing safe. By the time the police were involved, she'd already been gone.
Nothing. And very quickly, Jeffrey, what is the difference in the wide pattern of blood drops and the tight groupings? Is that where you're saying blood into blood, so she's standing in one place? Is that what you're saying? There's droplets and then there's satellite droplets?
That's exactly right.
Okay, Chris McDonough, other than canines, and if you'll recall, Chris McDonough, a canine tracked Lacey Peterson from her home all the way to the San Francisco Bay, and she was in the back of a boat, we think. Right? That far. So if she could be traced that way, I'm wondering why cadaver dogs can't at least give me a direction in which Nancy went.
Well, and that's where the US Customs and Border Patrol canine teams, the Borac team, was brought into this. Because those dogs are trained not only in tracking, but they may also have other dogs that are cross-trained in the cadaver aspect.
So they're going to put those dogs in a 30-foot lead, and they're going to get some type of sense inside of the house that belonged to Nancy, typically a shirt, a rag, a shoe, something like that. And then they're going to let the dog run. The fact that those dogs are there, Nancy, they're really stepping it up because those dogs are really super good at what they do.
Let me go straight out to you, Dave Mack.
Nancy, earlier today, Tucson TV station KOLD received an email having to do with Nancy Guthrie. The FBI is working to confirm if the note came from the same sender as the first reported ransom note referencing Nancy Guthrie, and officials caution it could take some time to verify due to technical factors.
It still hasn't been verified that the first note came from someone who may have taken Nancy from her home. In a statement, the Pima County Sheriff's Department says, While this is one new piece of information, the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Department are still asking anyone with tips to contact the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI.
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