Dave Mack

I don't care how old, you're going to use every ounce of energy you have to fight that person off.

And something's probably going to get- Yeah, you.

I'm 6'1".

About 205 pounds.

Regularly, yes.

Not evidence of a fight, evidence of something happening, movement, something knocked over.

I don't care.

If you're alive, you're going to fight somewhat.

You're going to push something, knock something over.

I'm not saying a knock-down, drag-out fight, but there's going to be signs of something happening in there that's unusual at the family who has been in that house.

Yes, things such as that.

Something simple, something subtle that might not stick out to the normal person, but to Annie, when the family gets there and they're walking through, they say, that's not right.

That's out of place.

Not say that the house would have been ransacked, drawers pulled out, things like that.

Yeah, it makes sense to me, but you know, Nancy, I'm a little confused over initial reports that said other things, that there were things out of place.

They knew something, law enforcement said they knew something happened right away and immediately called in homicide detectives.

So immaculate, I guess that means furniture's in its proper place.

There's no dirt on the floor that they can see.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what they mean by immaculate.

Most homes I've been into that have an elderly person