Dave Smith

So, yes, it might be the case that Thomas Massey appeals to a lot of people, but then when it gets down to the business of cutting food stamps, they're going to have a problem.

Donald Trump, there's no illusion that he's ever even going to get down to the business of cutting food stamps or anything like that.

The first spending bill that Trump signed into law in 2017 was the highest spending bill in the history of the country at the time.

And he promised that that was the last one.

He would sign this one, but he would never sign another bill that blew up the budget.

And then he signed like five more since then.

So anyway, but regardless of that, I think there's... Okay, I think that...

Well, let me say it like this, because listen, I endorse the Free State Project.

I've always thought it's a great idea.

And in fact, if you're a listener of the show or if you really believe in libertarianism, I think it's a great thing to consider.

If you've got a family, you've got the means and you can do it, or if you, for whatever reason, can.

If you're a young single guy and you can do it, I think it would be a great thing to do.

You're kind of a built-in community.

And I think you guys have made some real tangible wins for liberty, and it's great.

I would also wonder...

that honestly there's a question i don't really know the answer to but like how much do you think ron paul running for president helped the free state project like how many people in new hampshire who are there because uh were introduced to these ideas or convinced of the ideas by ron paul and then found out about the free state project i'm not saying it's like the whole thing or anything like that but my guess would be like that was a substantial help

And hopefully there's –

But I'm just saying, like, I would even argue just from your perspective for just like caring about the Free State Project.

Dude, I mean, the thing that Thomas Massey, what the thing about it is this, right?

It's like you could when Ron Paul was first running for president, you could have said, yeah, dude, he's talking about all this anti-war stuff.