Dave Smith

They should recognize that we're junior partners here and we'll still get something just not that much, but we should still kind of be more agreeable.

I really don't see things this way.

So what, what am I missing?

Pitch me on why I should still love Donald Trump.

Sure, sure.

Well, I would just say, number one, I mean, look, personally, I don't like, as you said, it, the point, I mean, I don't know the specifics, but I bet Thomas Massey's right about what he's saying.

And like, I don't personally mind someone pointing out that if there is a law on the books that actually is being used in a fucked up way against one race, calling it racist in the same way that I wouldn't mind calling DEI laws racist, even if that is

OK, you can say that's embracing the left's framework.

I mean, I get your point on that.

But I mean, Donald Trump embraces the left's framework on a lot of different issues.

He's a boomer, liberal, essentially.

But if your point is that Donald Trump is more conservative.

crude and crass and in some ways in being that way it does just tear down the kind of facade of woke politeness or something like that i would not argue with you on that there's no question that there's there's no individual who does that like trump like look i i love i still a huge fan of massey still a huge fan of rand pauls i but they're not they don't talk about

Well, certainly I think no one could even argue that in a democratic system, the beliefs of the demographics in your geographical area are the whole thing.

I mean, that's what ends up making the difference.

Okay, so here's where I would kind of agree with you.

I think there is something to guys like Massey and Paul

They're almost a little bit limited in their own...

their own vocabulary about how exactly to talk about what we're really dealing with here you know there was an old an old tweet of mine that people it's like taken out of context and going viral now by people who don't like me but where i said i said something like i'm not for closed borders but what i was actually doing was arguing back with another libertarian who was like well you're for closed borders and i was like well no i'm not for open borders but i'm not for and essentially what i meant by that is like

I'm not saying there should be no immigrants ever coming in.