Dave Smith

Oh, yeah, she got, man, she got beat up in that debate pretty bad.

Yeah, she was like one of the Iranian expat types who...

is supporting the destruction of our own people so ridiculous but um you know i do part of the reason why i bring up sam harris it's not just about sam harris i and it's not just about you know that he's said some insulting things about me it's just that there is something and i think as we get into this piece you'll see there's something about this that is

it's so representative of the bigger moment that we're living through.

And I do, I got to say, I find something really fascinating about the, you know, the rise and fall of so many of these figures.

And Sam Harris is really right up there with, with,

the ones who I find most interesting.

And so of course it does it all, you know, whatever I'm me and he insults me.

And so that does like get this kind of rivalry going or whatever.

But the reason I bring it up on the show is because I think it's really interesting to this bigger conversation.

It, it reminds me of guys like Jordan Peterson, who unfortunately is, you know, gotten quite ill from what I understand.

Jordan Peterson in some ways to me is always the one who got away from

like i you know i know i've told you and natalie before even back recently i was like i really want to have a conversation with him like i think me and him would have a really interesting one and of course it was after i debated douglas murray on joe rogan's show

Jordan Peterson was the next episode.

And then he started talking about like keeping the Groypers out.

And I don't know, it just got very bizarre.

But there are these guys, Sam Harris, I think is right at the top of this list, who really were when kind of like the podcast thing first started blowing up amongst the biggest people.

And they were very influential amongst young people.

And Sam Harris, of course, was like a member of what they called the intellectual dark web at the time.

And anyway, I just always thought the guy was a fraud.