Dave Smith

The whole point was to not let communism spread there.

You know, Afghanistan, the Taliban controls Afghanistan to this day, and they have better arms than they ever had before, thanks to us and our tax dollars.

And, okay, that being said, if we are actually going to, like, if this is the net result of this war,

is that Iran now controls the Strait of Hormuz going forward.

And that becomes the new international status quo.

Whether that's, you know, whatever the ideas they've floated at, you pay them a little fee, you have to trade in the currency they say.

Maybe they get lax on those rules, but it's still understood that they're the ones who get to make those rules.

Okay?

If you...

If that is the case coming out of this, which is still a big if, but if that is the case, and it looks more likely than it ever has at this point, because Donald Trump's conceded this is the framework.

This is in many ways, depending on how you want to measure it, the biggest foreign policy L in American history.

I mean, certainly in modern American history, right?

Like in the 20th and 21st century.

I've seen us lose to countries before in the sense that we always blow up more of their shit than they blow up of ours.

If you want to count that as a win, okay, congratulations.

But I've seen the losses in Iraq and Afghanistan and stuff like that.

I've never seen something like this where we actually, the net effect of this war, or a huge part of that, would be that Iran has gone from being a sanctioned, crippled, isolated, third world country in the Middle East to being a global power.

no i'm not saying they're a superpower i'm not saying it's it's you know the the great powers of the world are still the united states china and russia right now um with maybe you could say like cumulatively europe as as another one or something like that um but i would really put europe under the american influence probably um perhaps you could say something about israel with all the control and influence they have in throughout the western world

But now Iran's a global power.

You control the Strait of Hormuz, you're a global power.