David Allison

You're not taking the natural course.

You're not taking the old-fashioned course.

You're having too much fun.

You're trying too hard to achieve big things.

We don't like that, so we're going to try to poo-poo it or shut it down or minimize it, and I think that's where things are.

Now, others, I don't know if I would go so far as to say at the other extreme, but a more active proponent of the importance of not only greater amounts of protein, but particular types and distributions and so on would be somebody like Don Lehman.

And he might say, I hope I'm not inappropriately putting words in his mouth, but I think he might say, Peter, you actually need to be eating protein at least three or four times a day.

Yeah, because that 60 was in one sitting.

Right.

And at each of those sittings, you probably want to hit about 30.

I emphasize that word about, it's not like there's some mathematical proof that there's some hard threshold and certainly not for you who is 20% bigger than me that your hard threshold would be the same as my hard threshold, but in the neighborhood of 30.

Right off the bat, if you follow that advice, you'd need to be having double that amount of protein and you'd have to have it distributed differently.

And if you have it distributed the way you currently did, it'd be more than double.

So I think there are a lot of people who would disagree with that.

The history is people at some point recognized that we needed protein to live.

The key indicator of that was nitrogen.

And people looked at nitrogen balance.

How much did you take in?

How much did you excrete?

And they found that people could achieve nitrogen balance, or at least sort of ordinary normal people of the time, at about that level.