David Archuleta

you know, that same dynamic.

But I feel like a lot, like at least, you know, me and Jeanette, I know, I feel like those are some examples off the top of my head.

Just, it was so intense.

And my parents wanted to live vicariously through us, but they didn't want us to grow up out of their

And, you know, Jeanette's mom wouldn't let her bathe on her own until she was 18.

I know.

And there are a lot of things where it's like, I felt like my dad wanted me to be a little kid, even up until my 20s.

Like I had the mentality in a lot of ways of a kid because my dad didn't want me to grow up and think for myself because it would mean that I would not need him anymore.

And so I think we come from parents who...

Had abandonment issues.

They had trauma themselves.

And so it was, it was just very interesting.

Like, but, you know, I would try to let my dad, if we fought and stuff, I'd try to let him know.

I'm like, hey, dad, you know, sorry this happened and I just wanted to let you know I love you.

And my dad would say, well, if you really loved me.

Then you would let—basically be like, you would let me be in charge of your career.

Right.

But you don't, which means you don't love me.

And what kind of son would treat their dad like that?

And, like, that kind of talk would—I think it just made me be like, I'm supposed to love this man, but I also feel like I need to protect myself from him.