David Boree

I've read both accounts.

I really don't see a gap.

What I see is the cops describing their violent and dehumanizing behavior as like this is the normal way to respond and the Zizians describing it as dehumanizing and traumatizing.

The only question here is like the moral quality you give to the cops tackling a bunch of people basically who don't have weapons because they got a phone call, right?

Which like if you're a cop, you're like, well, this is the only way to act.

And if you're – I think most people like – you're like, well, probably could have just talked this situation down.

I don't see where an arrest – like, yeah.

Gwen later writes this about the experience.

When we arrived, a staff member called the police and falsely told them we had a gun and that we were going into buildings and that they were too afraid to get off the phone.

Later reports said there was an active shooter with a duffel bag.

None of us had a duffel bag.

Police arrived with their guns out and we were immediately arrested within about 10 minutes of us arriving, after which we were sexually assaulted.

In my case, I was groped and I had my pants pulled down and then sat on by an officer in a mounting position.

They are mocked and derided like as they're naked.

Cops are making comments about their bodies.

It's like a really like ugly situation.

Right.

And I have no trouble believing that this is true because it comports with dozens of arrest stories I've heard in multiple states.

Yeah.

And it's also the fact that they are specifically the police are making fun of them for being trans is very much in line with what statistics say about trans people and police violence.