David Cooper

And don't you need hierarchy for that?

So if middle management goes away in these corporations, what happens to the career ladder?

Are you just the same old worker as your peer with the same old title?

You just make three times what they make?

Is that the only incentive here, more pay?

Isn't this gradual progression of junior employee, senior employee, manager, director, what's going to happen to that?

Assuming in 15 years the robots don't band together and kill us all, do you think the way org charts look today will completely shift at most companies, or is this just a fad?

In 15 years, companies will look very similar to the way they did just before ChatGPT launched its demo.

I worry because Block is kind of a financial company where they would need that sort of check and safety, but they act like a fast moving whatever.

Sarah, I've enjoyed this chat.

Thanks so much for being here.

You can read Sarah E. Needleman's piece on this topic.

It's called Goodbye Middle Managers, Hello Player Coaches and Org Leads.

That's in Business Insider where she is a leadership and workplace correspondent.

Sarah E. Needleman.

Thanks again.

I appreciate it.

Coming in in the Western Hemisphere corner from the coast of San Diego at 10,000 meters per second, a little more actually, crashes the Artemis II rocket into Earth, landing.

It's amazing.

We're back from the moon.