David Cooper

For years, you might have heard this story.

Americans packing their bags and moving to Canada after an election.

Doesn't matter which election.

But I'm here with someone whose data suggests that's largely a myth.

Why is the perception of folks migrating from the U.S.

to Canada different from the reality?

Well, that's what we're going to dig into with Jack Jedwab from the Canadian Studies and Metropolis Institute.

Jack, welcome to the show.

Thank you very much, David.

So you've poured over this data and what have you found?

Are Canadians moving to the U.S.

more than Americans are moving to Canada right now?

What's the actual story of migration here?

We hear about Americans who are like unhappy with the political situation and end up leaving.

But I think in practice that doesn't happen as often as Americans think it does.

I think Americans investigate it and then they realize immigration is hard.

I say that being a Canadian living in the U.S.

It's not easy to immigrate to a country like some people expect it is, having never done so themselves.

It's the sort of considering versus doing gap.

People contemplate it because they're unhappy.