David Deida

So it just came out of nowhere.

And then, you know, the discipline of writing a book,

working with publishers and all of that that takes effort so that came up you know i was working as kind of a superior man phase for a while and we'll see if i could get through this interview without resting back okay if you if you degenerate into total apathy we'll know that you've gone back into man of zero phase it's not exactly apathy i'm glad you said that it's a kind of

It's a clarity.

It's pure presence.

It's pure awareness.

It's being absolutely present with the moment, but just not having an urge to...

push and change things like you're deeply content with the way things are but that doesn't stop you from changing things it just means you're not stressed you know most men have a kind of kernel of stress in their gut or their heart or their solar plexus that moves them to do something well the man of zero is what happens when that stress isn't there what are you moved to do like how does the universe use you how does

you know, that deeper thing that's beyond you move through you because in the superior man phase, one is motivated mostly by their personal sense of purpose rather than being kind of used by something or much larger if shaping, if size even has meaning.

Definitely, but I don't think that's a negative thing.

That's just an evolution, a way of growth.

I mean, some of my favorite music, say, was probably created by artists who were doing it so they could get laid.

Sometimes people do something for money, but it's really a work of art.

It's really a beautiful thing that they're creating.

Some people have a sense of lack of self-worth, let's say, that they inherited from their childhood.

And yet that lack of self-worth motivates them to create real art, really beauty on earth, real beauty on earth.

So it's not necessarily a negative thing that people are motivated.

It's just at some point I wanted to account for what happens when those motivations are no longer sufficient to move you.

Well, the first part of the book, The Man of Zero, is several chapters dedicated to this.

Basically,