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David Duvenaud

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1059 total appearances

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And this kind of makes you pretty relaxed in terms of like, whatever the government does, whatever goes on with the economy, probably I'm going to be able to slot in somewhere.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And even if I somehow like lose all my money, be able to rebuild from scratch.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Once you stop being able to trade your labor, then basically whatever capital that you have is your one asset.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And if you ever lose it, it's hard to see how you recover.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Of course, the other thing going on right now is also we have redistribution of wealth through the government.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And so right now, for a lot of people, it is sort of life or death already.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And then the stakes will just become even higher for how much redistribution is happening.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And if our control over the government becomes less, we should expect that effect to also become less.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Sure.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So in the short run, this probably looks really good for the average human in the sense of the cost of almost every service going way down, services just getting way better, and the cost of almost every good also probably going way down.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And there might be actually a long period where things are kind of okay in the sense that humans are sort of disempowered, but there's not really much pressure to disempower them more.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

We're all just sort of enjoying our like luxury apartments or something like that while the machine economy is just growing and growing.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And then I think this sort of like scary phase comes later on when there's been like enough doublings that some basic resource is starting to become scarce again.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So maybe it's like land, maybe it's power.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It's not like I don't really have strong opinions on what exactly it is.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But the idea is that eventually we do hit some sort of like Malthusian-ish limit and we have to actually start competing with the machines for some basic resource.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Of course, along the way, I think there might be like on a faster scale, this sort of like Malthusian competition for political power might be lost by humans.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But like, let's just not worry about that for now.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah, exactly.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So the scenario I have in mind is that I have my maybe like one acre of land or my like big luxury apartment with me and my family.