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David Duvenaud

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1064 total appearances

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But it just seems like it's very scary to be this sort of useless head of state of this giant machine economy that you don't understand.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Everyone involved in setting courses, running things, the government,

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

doesn't necessarily share your cultural point of view or even think that you deserve good outcomes in the long run more than some much more interesting, powerful, charismatic beings that are now sort of competing with culturally.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So again, I don't have a slam dunk story for how the humans end up not capturing some small ranch forever.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

That's plausible.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It just seems like we'll be in a very vulnerable position.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So one of them is just humans not being that close to the action or knowing what's going on.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And maybe a concrete example today is if I'm an average Joe and I think like actually AI is going to be the next big thing and I really want to invest in it.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Most of the big AI companies are still private equity, right?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Like Anthropic and XAI.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And so there's actually no direct way for me to even invest in them.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And of course, like bigger investors can.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But this is a good example of like no one's making this happen.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It just happens that our institutions...

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

marginalize almost everyone from participating in like one of the biggest wealth creation events in human history.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So again, AI advice, helping you avoid these situations is like maybe the thing that keeps us safe.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But again, there's just going to be incentives for the people who are actually creating the, or like the, not people, the AIs that are creating the wealth just naturally are going to form these sort of like local bubbles of enrichment, which will be hard for the larger, like massive unproductive humanity to participate in.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And that's exactly what I was thinking of when I was referring to these like sort of bubbles of wealth creation is like also all these new beings.