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David Duvenaud

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1059 total appearances

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

They can see what's happening.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

They mostly know these entrepreneurs.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But somehow they end up being this giant new source of wealth created that they mostly don't participate in.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And as far as I understand, they ended up a little bit poorer in absolute terms, although the civilization ended up much richer overall.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And also, similarly with the monarchy, it's like, well...

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

The king owns everything, has absolute power.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

How is it that kings end up in this figurehead role where they have very little room to maneuver and they end up capturing a very, very small surplus?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But the big picture is that there's going to be this small rump of legacy humans, maybe who have de facto ownership of this giant machine economy that's going to be maybe hundreds of thousands or more times as big as the current one.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

they're not going to be producing value.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

They're not going to be deciding what's going on.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And so at this point, it's not clear that they end up having de facto property rights respected.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And there's lots of reasons to think maybe we still will respect property rights.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It'll be very cheap to keep humans alive.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

This is definitely not a foregone conclusion.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And this is kind of one of the fuzzier parts of this whole story.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But it just seems like it's very scary to be this sort of useless head of state of this giant machine economy that you don't understand.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Everyone involved in setting courses, running things, the government,

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

doesn't necessarily share your cultural point of view or even think that you deserve good outcomes in the long run more than some much more interesting, powerful, charismatic beings that are now sort of competing with culturally.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So again, I don't have a slam dunk story for how the humans end up not capturing some small ranch forever.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

That's plausible.