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David Duvenaud

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1059 total appearances

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Like right now, if somebody goes on the radio and says, I'm the new president, everyone can kind of check, like, actually, that's not the case.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Like, I know a bunch of soldiers.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I call them what's going on.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

They say, I don't know what this is.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Or like, no, he's not.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

We still have control.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

In the world where it is, actually, just a few people who have like sort of

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

sysadmin access to the robot's army or whatever, there's not all that much that the government or even the people can do to tell who's really in charge except by some naked show of force.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And for the government to stop this, whoever ends up getting sysadmin rights from just de facto taking over the government without having to convince everyone that they're legitimate.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah, exactly.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Because people are, like, too weak to actually fight metal.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah, and right now, maybe what the hard part of the coup is convincing the, like, commanders or, like, the soldiers that this is the new way that things are going to be.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

You have to convince a lot of people and this credible threat that they're going to not agree with your takeover and then, like... And then you'll be arrested.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

First of all, I think it's a great idea to try to set up these kind of protections, and it's probably a good end.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It looks like involving a lot of well-thought-through mechanisms to ensure that surplus is always available to humans.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But our basic thesis is that this is much more fragile than it seems like it'll be intuitive.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And again, maybe one example to keep coming back to is think of the monarchy, the English monarchy, and how they hold all the cards.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

In fact, maybe a better example is the English aristocracy before the Industrial Revolution.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

You're thinking, okay, they own all the land.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

They have all the political connections.