David Duvenaud

And then the sort of more enlightened, unintuitive view is like, no, no, actually, you really do want the rich guy to start companies and, you know, make deals and have trade and get to set his own terms in like agreements because it's going to benefit everyone in the long run.

And a rising tide rises all boats.

As for political liberalism, I mean, I feel like all the religious wars in Europe and like throughout the world were so destructive that people eventually realized like, oh, it would be really great if we could all agree to just disagree and not have strong opinions on like, you know, who should rule and what is good.

And who should be killed.

And who should be killed.

Exactly.

And so these are all things that are kind of like unintuitive, I think, to just people in general.

And it's still today the case that, well, I mean, they say like, if you're not a socialist when you're 20, you don't have a heart.

And if you're still one when you're 30, you don't have a brain, something like that.

So it's really tough because it's unintuitive just how big the positive sumness is from allowing other people to just chart their own course.

And so I think a lot of people's reaction to us worrying about AI domination is,

gets rounded off to, oh, these are like just socialists.

These are people who don't get, they don't understand that free trade freedom is just unintuitively powerful for creating wealth for everyone.

And I think I do appreciate that.

I think that's sort of been my default.

That's like what intuitively now seems good to me is like you want freedom, you want innovation.

But I am afraid that that is going to stop being the sort of like most competitive system for a number of reasons.

Totally.

And I want to say, I think this is a tragedy.

Like I'm a huge liberalism enjoyer.