David Duvenaud

Exactly.

And so these are all things that are kind of like unintuitive, I think, to just people in general.

And it's still today the case that, well, I mean, they say like, if you're not a socialist when you're 20, you don't have a heart.

And if you're still one when you're 30, you don't have a brain, something like that.

So it's really tough because it's unintuitive just how big the positive sumness is from allowing other people to just chart their own course.

And so I think a lot of people's reaction to us worrying about AI domination is,

gets rounded off to, oh, these are like just socialists.

These are people who don't get, they don't understand that free trade freedom is just unintuitively powerful for creating wealth for everyone.

And I think I do appreciate that.

I think that's sort of been my default.

That's like what intuitively now seems good to me is like you want freedom, you want innovation.

But I am afraid that that is going to stop being the sort of like most competitive system for a number of reasons.

Totally.

And I want to say, I think this is a tragedy.

Like I'm a huge liberalism enjoyer.

And I mean, maybe you could say, well, yes, things are working out for you.

But I guess I just feel like in general, it's very easy to, like liberalism is also just this very fragile thing.

And it's sort of this like amazing accomplishment that the West and just managed to create these norms of like, let the other guy choose his religion, let the other guy get rich.

It's like a very sort of fragile thing that like, I think even today, we should still try to protect if we can.

Yeah, so I think it'll be a less desirable way to organize society for a few reasons, but the main one is just the zero-sumness of UBI.