David Duvenaud

And then maybe another thing is just like the rough egalitarian in terms of sort of intelligence and power level of people.

So, I mean, there's definitely like very meaningful variation amongst humans in terms of just like raw smarts.

But like people often say, like von Neumann somehow didn't take over the earth.

Right.

And he might have like wanted to.

And these are all reasons why it was sort of fine to just let other people become more powerful in the past that might change in a big way.

And I just want to say, I want to reiterate that we should be very, very scared of accidentally crushing liberalism and this positive sum sort of world that we've created.

If I somehow, through this podcast, accidentally contributed to mistakenly just making people think, oh, you're in a zero-sum game, you need to fight more.

That would be a huge tragedy.

I really want to err on the side of caution here and say, probably until things change a lot, we really think liberalism is this precious, awesome, amazing accomplishment that we need to foster.

So you were saying like, what are the positive sum dynamics that might still operate?

So as I mentioned, like just from human selfish point of view, making the UBI pie better and just making us into more sort of impressive, sympathetic beings might just be a good use of everyone's time because then the AIs are like, oh yeah, like these should be more involved in our like global civilization project or something like that.

And that might be reason enough just to like keep the status quo of like, you know, just everybody help each other become more impressive and awesome or something like that.

But beyond that, I think it really comes down to like moral preferences and how much you like care about the beings, the AIs that are existing.

Right.

And I think

They will be very impressive.

And if they want to, like, be sympathetic or like sort of moral patience from our point of view, they'll be able to make themselves into that.

So I really don't expect it to look like there's this alien mass of activity happening, but more like the Chagas with the human face.

But in a sort of more sort of genuine way, I think they will be able to say like, oh, no, I actually do spend some like fraction of my computes.