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David Duvenaud

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

This question doesn't really answer this question of like, do we feel like we've been hacked by our current standards or did we actually successfully build like even better beings that we're supporting?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Sure.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So I guess the different companies have different names for this.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Like I think OpenAI talks about the model spec and I thought I talked about constitutional AI and the idea being that a lot of the alignment that happens for the AI is you ask it to follow some principles like, you know, be nice to the user, don't do something illegal and practice like producing outcomes that follow this constitution.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

This also, you know, the system prompt matters a lot.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It's just like what values are being loaded into the AI.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah, and I mean, I think there was an executive order like a few weeks ago against like Woke AI, right?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And I think like people are already recognizing that this is an important cultural battleground.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I mean, part of the way that I got started on this whole journey was asking, you know, people at different labs, like, okay, so we build the Aligned AGI.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

How does it end up that it's running the country or the world or something?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It seems like the government's going to ask us for the version of the AI that never refuses to like do one of its orders.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And we end up being forced one way or another to align the AI to the government.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I'm hoping not to hyperstition this into being, but I feel like it's just obvious that this is going to become one of the most important cultural and political battlegrounds that people fight over.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yes, that's maybe the only time we'll expect to see actually user-aligned AIs is when people actually physically own them.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Right.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Or like Ireland famously competes on the low corporate tax rates.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Right.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So we could imagine like some future Ireland saying, oh, you get to write your own system prompt in our country or something like that.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So that is another reason for hope is that people will demand this kind of freedom.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But I mean, even the like Ireland of the future will probably have a bit in there like don't conspire against Ireland or whatever.