David E. Sanger

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1,917 appearances 16 recordings 1 series first heard Dec 2024 last heard 23 Jul

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Pakistan and India didn't sign, right?

But we complain much more about North Korea, a clear adversary.

Well, you're seeing a little bit of that here.

But in the nuclear world, there have always been these built-in contradictions.

You know, the rules are different for the five original nuclear weapon states, right?

The United States, Russia, China, Britain, France.

When the first nuclear treaties were written, it was understood that they were going to get to hold on to their weapons.

And the idea was to keep other countries from getting them.

That's a fundamental unfairness.

And it's why the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty requires all countries, even nuclear weapon states, to begin moving down towards zero.

Not that we really do that.

And in this case, you're just seeing very different treatment for a close ally like Saudi Arabia and an adversary like Iran.

And that comes down to a fundamental question of trust.

It's an excellent point because nuclear programs last for decades and your close alliances may not.

Think back to Iran.

Who gave Iran their first test nuclear reactor?

The United States did back in the days of the Shah.

And then the Shah was overthrown.

And suddenly this nuclear program is in the hands of revolutionaries who shout death to America.

And that's the risk, of course, that you run at any time that you ship out nuclear technology.

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