David E. Sanger

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1,917 appearances 16 recordings 1 series first heard Dec 2024 last heard 23 Jul

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The Daily · Why Is the U.S. Building the Saudi Nuclear Program While Destroying Iran’s? · 23 Jul 2026 podcast

Now, the U.S.

has decided over the years that that risk is pretty small when you're dealing with Japan or Germany or Singapore or any number of other fairly stable allies.

But in the case of Saudi Arabia, there's no question that there's a roll of the dice happening here about what Saudi society will look like 30 years from now.

Well, I certainly hope they are.

And they argue that while they have loosened some restrictions, there are other restrictions built in here and that the United States will be so enmeshed in the Saudi nuclear program that if anything was going awry, they would know about it.

And they also make the point, think about the Saudi alternatives.

Yeah, it would be great if they bought from the United States, but if they can't strike their deal with the U.S., they're going to do it with China or with Russia.

And neither of them are going to require any significant nonproliferation agreements.

This is the classic debate about how you wrap countries into your network, not just of defense suppliers and so forth, but into all of their networks.

Whether you wrap them into building nuclear equipment with you so you can keep an eye on them.

or building telecommunications networks because you'd rather they be in the American tech stack than in the Chinese tech stack.

It's the question that's come up over artificial intelligence, that if we don't open up our best products to other countries, particularly allies, they'll go elsewhere to the Chinese.

And so one way of thinking about this nuclear deal is that we've taken a big step back from 15 years ago when we struck that gold standard arrangement with the UAE.

Another way to think about it is we're in an era when power has to do with your networks and keeping Saudi Arabia in the electric grid.

And building nuclear power with the U.S.

is a better alternative than letting them do it with someone else.

Thank you, Rachel.

The Daily · Why the Cease-Fire With Iran Keeps Crumbling · 14 Jul 2026 podcast

Good to be with you, Rachel.

There's not much of it left.

We all suspected, Rachel, that this agreement had the seeds of its own destruction built in.

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