David Epstein

And what are the things that if I'm not explicit about them, about having these constraints and boundaries, I will move the goalposts.

And just being more explicit about these things.

And you'll allow for bad behavior to happen and let it slip or whatever.

It's like, maybe it won't happen again and things, but I think having those lines is okay.

And again, it doesn't have to mean that that person's bad, but, but I think it's important to have your own minds.

Yeah, well, let me make you guess here.

So what do you think is the average age of a founder, based on research by MIT, Northwestern, the Census Bureau that came out a few years ago, the average age of a founder of a fast-growing startup?

Of a fast-growing startup?

Yeah, which means, I think fast-growing was like top one in 10,000, top one in 10,000 growth.

Top like 1% or you mean?

No, it was more than 1%.

Really?

Yeah, yeah, one in 10,000.

Okay, so what's the stat again?

What's the question?

What's the average age of a founder of one of those startups on the day of founding, according to MIT and the Census Bureau in Northwestern?

It's probably like late 40s or something.

Good for you, 45.

Really?

Yeah.