David Epstein

Resilience, though.

And I think that, I think resilience that includes coming from enjoying some of the process.

Like there's something in the thing that they're doing that they actually like that keeps them coming back even when it seems like the goal isn't making it.

In my own life?

I mean, it depends when you catch me, but I mean, in the very beginning of the book, I write about something that I thought was like

ruined my life at the time, which was I had this freakish injury when I was in eighth grade.

Like sports was the center of my life.

I would wake up to watch SportsCenter play twice in a row, right?

The same segment twice in a row.

And I threw a ball really hard playing in like gym class football, as hard as I could.

We'd throw for kickoff at the time instead of kicking.

And my arm snapped in a spiral on the throw.

And incredibly rare injury.

I've only ever seen this once before, one other time with a major league pitcher and he had to have his arm amputated.

Like the arm, what do you mean it snapped?

Totally snapped, bone cleaned through.

What?

Right side.

Oh my gosh.

And I don't remember the exact moment because I must have got dazed.