David Frum

Stephen, welcome to The David Frum Show.

So long as he's crazy, you'll be employed.

Or you'll be busy anyway, because you have a new life away from all of this madness.

But let's start with your first exposure to the madness.

So you take office on the 1st of January of 2021.

minutes before the attack on Congress in the throes of all of these denunciations of the integrity of the vote, especially in your state.

What was that like in 2021?

Because you were a Republican and always have been a Republican, people in the president's camp were looking to you to agree with their story, however farcical it was, and you didn't.

Yeah, I'll say here, as someone who's known you for a while and then watched you or observed you in your public presence, in these public interactions, you're a very non-fiery personality.

You are very patient and low-key.

And you agree to take seriously a lot of things that people will say.

I had a vision.

It came to me in a dream.

The ballots are hidden in a vault underneath a lake.

And you would say, okay, can you give me the GPS location of the vault and the lake?

And you never lost your cool.

But the allegations just got wilder and wilder, didn't they?

Now, you make the point that what was especially frustrating about these allegations was it was not one allegation that people would dig in and stick to no matter all the contrary evidence.

It was a series of contradictory allegations.

And each time one fell apart, another would manifest itself, and then it would fall apart, and then there would be another.