David Frum

seats are changing hands and the senate is in is changing uh majority probably um at that point if you try to send the fbi to do something it would look both hope it would be both hopeless but it would also look obviously illegitimate but if the election if it's not 40 seats that are changing hands but just six and you have an idea in the week before the election which those six are likely to be could you do something then could you send tulsi gabbard and the fbi to

Charlotte and Tucson and a few chosen jurisdictions and seize machines there.

Would that have any positive outcome for them or is it still hopeless?

Based on your experience in Arizona, how far down this highway will other Republican officials go?

When Donald Trump and the people around him and Kerry Lake were saying these crazy things about the elections in your state, did most Republican officeholders sort of shrug wearily, or did they say, well, it may not be true, but it's our team that's saying the thing that is not true, so we have to be full-throated?

Can you decode the role?

How is it the director of national intelligence has any role in anything to do with an election?

Yeah.

But there is a strength.

I mean, the FBI is an institution that is being broken before our eyes as well.

And good officers are being driven out.

Bad officers are being hired.

The FBI is being turned into an arm of very, very partisan justice.

I mean, how much confidence do you have in them?

And you've seen them in Arizona.

What do you think is likely to happen in 2026?

And there's also something with this that is a little like –

Politicians are older than they used to be, like not dealing with the present day America.

If the vote were restricted to people who have a valid passport for international travel, wouldn't that skew the electorate much more toward the Democrats than toward the Republicans?

I mean, in 1996, having a passport probably did indicate you were a Republican leaner, but not in 2026.