David Frum

And also, by the way, leave the anti-Semitism for the podcasters.

Don't bring it into public.

So those may be the lessons.

But otherwise, good job, everybody.

Because what we've learned is that the system is much more vulnerable than anybody thought it was to authoritarian means for plutocratic ends.

and let's just get smarter for the next try.

That's what I worry is going to be the outcome.

Not the grand repudiation that you got because of the series of catastrophes in the 1930s and 40s.

David, thank you so much for making time.

Thank you for sharing all this wisdom and history.

I learned a lot, and I'm sure every viewer and listener did too.

We're grateful to you.

Thank you.

Thanks so much to David Brooks for joining me today.

Now, as I mentioned at the top of the program, my book this week is not a book at all.

It's a TV series, a four part series on Netflix called Death by Lightning about the presidency of James Garfield and his assassination at the hands of a killer named Charles Guiteau.

It's a delightful four part series.

I strongly recommend it.

I enjoyed it enormously.

Michael Shannon plays President Garfield.