David Frum

And in fact, after years of our country being led by weak presidents who wouldn't punch a baby, I punched the baby in the face.

I did it.

And people say, yay.

Some people are upset, but they say, yay.

But there's no cover up.

And Epstein is distinct because he's actually, for once, acting guilty and shamefaced.

And that has led, I think, a lot of people to think, this must be really horrible.

If all the other things he did, he doesn't cover up.

What happened here?

Yeah.

I want to introduce a theory here that maybe helps us understand this, which is there is MAGA and there is maybe para-MAGA.

The MAGA universe is all about Trump and his ambitions and his greed and his very specific degrees of hatefulness.

Trump hates people who in any way cross him, but if you don't cross him, he doesn't have ideological hatreds.

He's too selfish to have ideological hatred.

Why would I hate people just because other people hate

Exactly, exactly, yeah.

And he could eat the cat.

Trump would serve him the cat.

They could eat the cat together.

But there is this para-MAGA universe for whom Trump was a vehicle for their general craziness and insanity and paranoia and hatefulness.