David Frum

And the second is, what do I hope would happen?

Admitting that what I hope for is kind of unlikely.

Why?

Because the reason I became an anti-Trump Republican in the first place, and I remain an anti-Trump Republican, I'm disaffiliated from the party and moral disgust, but I believe in American global leadership.

I don't want to see the Chinese fleet policing the Persian Gulf.

Even though the oil is flowing not to the United States, but to American allies, the United States gets enormous benefits from being-

in charge of world safety.

Because if the United States is not, either there won't be world safety or China and India will do it.

And I don't want to live in that planet.

And I don't want that planet for my children.

And maybe the twice election of Trump means, I mean, I come at this again from a Canadian point of view, where I sometimes, we look at the United States as outsiders, but we also maybe have more admiration and trust in the United States and a more idealized version.

But the America I believe in, and maybe I'm just a fossil.

And when I shuffle off the stage, this view goes with me.

I still believe in the mission of the United States.

I still believe in the capacity of the United States.

And yes, the two elections of Trump challenged my view of the ultimate

value of the American experiment a lot, but I'm not giving that up.

And so I still want to live in that unipolar American-led world order that rallies like-minded countries to meet the challenge from China that tries to recruit India into that order, difficult as that project is.

And this is part of it.

And so what I hope will happen, and again, this is maybe more fanciful than your idea of stopping the war, is that there are enough Republican senators who behind the scenes will work with