David Fullmer

And so he was never there.

He wasn't present.

That much.

And how can you when you got...

me 13 kids i mean my mom's got at this time she's got nine kids probably three of them in diapers right and she's she's just weighed down with like no one's checking on me i'm i'm out it's like you know i'm checking with my mom every couple days and she's trying to find out where i'm at we don't have cell phones back then it's like i think we were just coming into the pager age wow

So, but it was pretty heavy.

It was heavy to see my mom's face when the judge was like, okay, you're now warden of the state of Utah.

Like the judge looked right at me and says, you're, we're your parent.

Sorry, Mrs. Fulmer, but you can't control them.

We're going to have to.

Came in, put me in handcuffs and sent me to a wilderness program in St.

George, Utah.

Jeez.

Was it effective?

I just, I actually liked it.

But it was really hard.

I admit that it was really, really, really hard, but I enjoyed the mountains and I enjoyed challenges.

I actually did really, really good in these environments.

And then I'd get back out and make a bunch of dumb mistakes and get back in.

So I excelled when I was in the zone because I knew what I had to do to get out.