David Gray

When you hear it through a tinny little speaker, it sounds like something different.

So you want to check that it's doing what it needs to do.

And the really good recordings do stand up for themselves, even under unflattering circumstances.

So yes, you're always checking, always checking.

Technology has stolen space.

As much as it's sort of democratised and enabled lots of things, it's also stolen space because you're just on...

you're constantly attentive to messaging that, you know, it's, it's invasive.

And so we're to really contemplate and really go allow thoughts to deepen and attenuate yourself to feelings or the natural world or something worthwhile is,

you've got to break and make some space from that.

I find it really hard to do that.

It's one of the things that's lovely about being on stage.

No phones up there.

So there's lots of phones in the audience pointing at you.

Does that bother you?

I wish people would just be there more.

I think as soon as you start playing This Year's Love or something, up comes the phones.

It's...

It's weird, but I think it tells you that we've been marketed to the point that we market our own lives back to ourselves and to each other.

So, you know, Saatchi and Saatchi won, hands down.

The victory is theirs.